tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

Yep....dont forget Big Baby and Delonte West, they didn't add dinosaurs

They also added a league MVP in Garnett....guys who were ALL-NBAers 1st and 2nd multiples

gunsnewing wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

Because i hated marbury and crawful knicks was awful. Nate was special but dumb. Zbo was immature. Theres why

Game. Set. Match. Agreed on every point, although I did buy into the Marbles thing for most of his first season.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

But we knew the Knicks roster was structurally flawed when they added Melo to Amare and then threw Chandler into the mix. The Knicks just went for the best players they could get instead of following a recipe for building a team around a star with complementary players. I dont think you can compare the Knicks to the Celtics because the Knicks didnt even try to fill the roster out as a complete team while the Celtics did.

Doesn't matter who's on the team

Melo trying to prove he can play through pain and hindering the team on both ends is almost assinine..Unless he intends to play smarter and more efficient (which at time he seems like he has no desire to do that) and not just play off his physical (im hurt) talents.

OasisBU wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

But we knew the Knicks roster was structurally flawed when they added Melo to Amare and then threw Chandler into the mix. The Knicks just went for the best players they could get instead of following a recipe for building a team around a star with complementary players. I dont think you can compare the Knicks to the Celtics because the Knicks didnt even try to fill the roster out as a complete team while the Celtics did.

dk7th wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

But we knew the Knicks roster was structurally flawed when they added Melo to Amare and then threw Chandler into the mix. The Knicks just went for the best players they could get instead of following a recipe for building a team around a star with complementary players. I dont think you can compare the Knicks to the Celtics because the Knicks didnt even try to fill the roster out as a complete team while the Celtics did.

you are absolutely right. it's a question of stockpiling talent versus finding core complementary players. even while deeply flawed, stoudemire was best-suited to work with a better point guard than felton eventually. the knicks were 28-26. felton clearly was not working and he would have been traded or let go after last season. i mean why does walsh only give him two years and 6-7 million other than as an audition, which if he fails you find a better point guard to work with stat? and if stat goes down then you still have a good point guard.

you make a commitment to building around one guy, stat. that means a great point guard is the priority, not melo! that didn't happen and here we are.

dk7th wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

But we knew the Knicks roster was structurally flawed when they added Melo to Amare and then threw Chandler into the mix. The Knicks just went for the best players they could get instead of following a recipe for building a team around a star with complementary players. I dont think you can compare the Knicks to the Celtics because the Knicks didnt even try to fill the roster out as a complete team while the Celtics did.

you are absolutely right. it's a question of stockpiling talent versus finding core complementary players. even while deeply flawed, stoudemire was best-suited to work with a better point guard than felton eventually. the knicks were 28-26. felton clearly was not working and he would have been traded or let go after last season. i mean why does walsh only give him two years and 6-7 million other than as an audition, which if he fails you find a better point guard to work with stat? and if stat goes down then you still have a good point guard.

you make a commitment to building around one guy, stat. that means a great point guard is the priority, not melo! that didn't happen and here we are.

Chris Paul but Dolan was impatient. With that said you'd still have to replace Amare who you can't replace because he swallows up half the cap and is barely on the court