dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:All I got to say is Rajon Rondo.

I was thinking more like Shump last year. Melo got destroyed in that Lakers game and at the time it appeared he might have had a serious injury. I am worried he never totally got over it. His shot hasn't been falling as much and he is going to the basket and drawing fouls more but that is a lot more wear and tear on him.

"wear and tear?" aren't all the other starting players suffering wear and tear? the guy is being paid 20 million dollars to play basketball. this is an issue of conditioning and a bit too much bullyball. the guy lacks savvy-- head and ball fakes-- and relies too much on his impressive strength. you want to box for 12 you had better train for 15.

he has always had questionable conditioning. i said it earlier this season and it is worth stating again: he would not be able to keep the 3 point shooting clip up because his legs would start to go. his 3 point shooting has fallen off at the same time as his legs have started to go. and why have his legs started to go?

conditioning.

lebron, durant, bryant, deng, harden, all play more minutes than he does.

if it's an injury then sit. if you're "playing hurt" then adapt your game-- if you are smart enough to do so-- and try to remain effective. if you are smart enough.

Yup. All this wounded hero crap is getting pretty old. Someone even suggested we give him the Duncan treatment!!!!

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:All I got to say is Rajon Rondo.

I was thinking more like Shump last year. Melo got destroyed in that Lakers game and at the time it appeared he might have had a serious injury. I am worried he never totally got over it. His shot hasn't been falling as much and he is going to the basket and drawing fouls more but that is a lot more wear and tear on him.

"wear and tear?" aren't all the other starting players suffering wear and tear? the guy is being paid 20 million dollars to play basketball. this is an issue of conditioning and a bit too much bullyball. the guy lacks savvy-- head and ball fakes-- and relies too much on his impressive strength. you want to box for 12 you had better train for 15.

he has always had questionable conditioning. i said it earlier this season and it is worth stating again: he would not be able to keep the 3 point shooting clip up because his legs would start to go. his 3 point shooting has fallen off at the same time as his legs have started to go. and why have his legs started to go?

conditioning.

lebron, durant, bryant, deng, harden, all play more minutes than he does.

if it's an injury then sit. if you're "playing hurt" then adapt your game-- if you are smart enough to do so-- and try to remain effective. if you are smart enough.

You're right, proper conditioning can help prevent injuries. However, it does not mean it eliminates injuries all together. Amar'e is as well conditioned athlete as one could ask for but it didn't prevent him from being injured for the majority of the last 2 seasons and playing like a shadow of his former self (this is a kind description btw).

As far as Melo's 3pt % goes he was shooting over 40% in Nov/Dec and then that dropped in Jan. As you say conditioning could be a contributing factor but it's equally possible it could be due to the lingering injury sustained after the Lakers game as CrushALot suggested or another injury sustained afterwards. In other words, it may be contributing factor, not the only reason. If anything this season Melo has been in the best condition in years. He's said it, Woody's said it, his trainer has said it and he looks it.

All those players do not play more minutes than Melo, they play the same amount of minutes as Melo does. +/- 1.5 mins is an insignificant difference. He's neck and neck with Durant for the scoring title while playing the same amount of minutes so based on that he has unquestionably been effective overall.

The whole point of this thread was to evaluate whether or not he was sincerely injured when he left the floor on Monday night.
And as you said, "if it's an injury then sit." That's exactly what Melo eventually did and had previously tried to do but Woody denied his request. He clearly wasn't being effective and the injury was effecting his play.

knickstorrents wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:All I got to say is Rajon Rondo.

and where is he now?

Better yet...what professional sport do you play? Are you a ATC?....no?...stfu with these dumb *** comments then

Swish, comments like this are going to stop now...understood?

Papabear Says

Andrew I agree with you but it seems a little lopsided when some people are chucking it up about Melo being weak and compareing him to Rajon Rondo. No one knows how bad that fall was but Melo, and he held his pride and walked off the court. The man gets beat down every game. I understand what you are saying but please understand and maybe stop that jab statement of the Rajon Rondo joke. In my humble opinion.

I think having an opinion is ok, you just can't attack the poster.

I'm not attacking the poster I have a problem if the poster is a troll. One good thing I'm starting to view other forums where it's less anti Melo or anti Knicks. The man gets hurt and some of you still want to bang the man into the ground. I'm glad of one thing. You can rant you can complain on the forum but guess what? You can change a thing Melo will be the face of the knicks for at least eight more years. So what cha gonna do? Sit back and enjoy it. or find another team but he ain't going no where. Dolan loves him. So keep complaining and bashing the man it dosen't matter because you have no power to change a thing.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:All I got to say is Rajon Rondo.

I was thinking more like Shump last year. Melo got destroyed in that Lakers game and at the time it appeared he might have had a serious injury. I am worried he never totally got over it. His shot hasn't been falling as much and he is going to the basket and drawing fouls more but that is a lot more wear and tear on him.

"wear and tear?" aren't all the other starting players suffering wear and tear? the guy is being paid 20 million dollars to play basketball. this is an issue of conditioning and a bit too much bullyball. the guy lacks savvy-- head and ball fakes-- and relies too much on his impressive strength. you want to box for 12 you had better train for 15.

Yep I've been calling this out for some time.... Melo and even Stat to an extent their ability to get their's at will is dwindling by the game. We've seen the best there is from these guys, they are not going to get better as their careers progress.

Stat can no longer beat guys going baseline anymore, he can't jump over the top of multiple defenders, what Stat has adjusted to is using his body namely upper body strength to create space between he and the defender and the ball, then he goes quick with his moves. He's also adjusted to establishing a jump shot. The days you look at Stat dunking over a 7'1" Olawokandi but then get his stuff pushed in his face by Spencer Hawes you know times have changed.

Now on to Melo.....

Why do you think he wears BackDraft attire like he's getting ready to put out a fire on the 100th floor of the Empire State building?

Because as you said he's trying to Bully his way past/over guys and his body is taking a beating and he's been playing this way for yrs. He's another player getting his stuff pushed in face on a regular basis. His lift is becoming more Andre Miller like as a season wears on and the body starts to break down, it's starts talking to you telling you uhhh you're over doing it.

Add to the fact Wham's lead singer wants to play him 40min/gm. Are you kidding me for a guy that like to eat Cheeseburgers in the off-season and then switch it up the next season eating Activia and V8 ****tails.....please go find who John Jones trains with and get into real shape not YMCA shape. Then adjust your game and try to become a more complete player. You know do what you said you were going to do at season's begin....score 22-23pts/gm and give up trying to score 35-40 and reflect on what results happened in your career when you played this way.

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:All I got to say is Rajon Rondo.

I was thinking more like Shump last year. Melo got destroyed in that Lakers game and at the time it appeared he might have had a serious injury. I am worried he never totally got over it. His shot hasn't been falling as much and he is going to the basket and drawing fouls more but that is a lot more wear and tear on him.

"wear and tear?" aren't all the other starting players suffering wear and tear? the guy is being paid 20 million dollars to play basketball. this is an issue of conditioning and a bit too much bullyball. the guy lacks savvy-- head and ball fakes-- and relies too much on his impressive strength. you want to box for 12 you had better train for 15.

Yep I've been calling this out for some time.... Melo and even Stat to an extent their ability to get their's at will is dwindling by the game. We've seen the best there is from these guys, they are not going to get better as their careers progress.

Stat can no longer beat guys going baseline anymore, he can't jump over the top of multiple defenders, what Stat has adjusted to is using his body namely upper body strength to create space between he and the defender and the ball, then he goes quick with his moves. He's also adjusted to establishing a jump shot. The days you look at Stat dunking over a 7'1" Olawokandi but then get his stuff pushed in his face by Spencer Hawes you know times have changed.

Now on to Melo.....

Why do you think he wears BackDraft attire like he's getting ready to put out a fire on the 100th floor of the Empire State building?

Because as you said he's trying to Bully his way past/over guys and his body is taking a beating and he's been playing this way for yrs. He's another player getting his stuff pushed in face on a regular basis. His lift is becoming more Andre Miller like as a season wears on and the body starts to break down, it's starts talking to you telling you uhhh you're over doing it.

Add to the fact Wham's lead singer wants to play him 40min/gm. Are you kidding me for a guy that like to eat Cheeseburgers in the off-season and then switch it up the next season eating Activia and V8 ****tails.....please go find who John Jones trains with and get into real shape not YMCA shape. Then adjust your game and try to become a more complete player. You know do what you said you were going to do at season's begin....score 22-23pts/gm and give up trying to score 35-40 and reflect on what results happened in your career when you played this way.

ROFL... YEA, good point, but again, it goes back to both you and dk points... If you are going to play a certain way you better train for it, or adjust your game... Good players adjust.. I keep hearing about how much of a pure scorer he is, then this should be no problem for him I guess....

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:All I got to say is Rajon Rondo.

I was thinking more like Shump last year. Melo got destroyed in that Lakers game and at the time it appeared he might have had a serious injury. I am worried he never totally got over it. His shot hasn't been falling as much and he is going to the basket and drawing fouls more but that is a lot more wear and tear on him.

"wear and tear?" aren't all the other starting players suffering wear and tear? the guy is being paid 20 million dollars to play basketball. this is an issue of conditioning and a bit too much bullyball. the guy lacks savvy-- head and ball fakes-- and relies too much on his impressive strength. you want to box for 12 you had better train for 15.

he has always had questionable conditioning. i said it earlier this season and it is worth stating again: he would not be able to keep the 3 point shooting clip up because his legs would start to go. his 3 point shooting has fallen off at the same time as his legs have started to go. and why have his legs started to go?

conditioning.

lebron, durant, bryant, deng, harden, all play more minutes than he does.

if it's an injury then sit. if you're "playing hurt" then adapt your game-- if you are smart enough to do so-- and try to remain effective. if you are smart enough.

Yup. All this wounded hero crap is getting pretty old. Someone even suggested we give him the Duncan treatment!!!!

Yeah, warrior, battler, bully baller... who needs to keep reading that shit on a Knicks site?
I'd much rather hear more about how fat and limited Melo is. That always leads to an invigorating conversation about creative things, like how many patches he has on his warmup jacket.

I mentioned that maybe Woody the Stubborn should take a peek at Pop's treatment of his players. Does that immediately mean Melo = Duncan to you? If it does, maybe you should try and relax your Melohate reflex. Try concentrating on comparisons of Melo and distant memories of Chris McNealy's skillset.

you just dont get it... its almost amusing. Melo has done NOTHING here to celebrate (yet). He not an all time Knick great. He is not an all time Knick anything, and thats the problem you dont seem to get. The minions would have you believe he's an all time Knick great, MVP caliber savior player. Can we enjoy at least ONE deep playoff run first? Its a joke. MElo is nothing more than stats right now. He means nothing to the history of the franchise. He has one more playoff win than Stephon Marbury the Coney Island hero.

Guys a good player. Great? Well we are all waiting to see that arent we? Two months of .500 ball of late. The 18-5 start at this point as the same lasting impact as Linsanity. Nothing. Go win where and when it counts ( and god forbid LEAD) and EVERY Knick fan will be behind him. Tough concept, I know. We will keep working on you!

Do you guys always instant lawyer for each other? and with the constant poor reading comprehension?
Where did I say he was an all-time Knick great? Where?

All I said was it shouldn't be a great stretch to talk about Melo playing with injuries, or quotes that deal with his perceived toughness on a Knicks fan site. Simple. I wasn't pulling a Melo in the HOF today, put his jersey in the rafters.

You just don't get it. He's been here all of two and a half seasons. You can't even get it through your somber skull that it's not possible to have won three chips yet. Simple things like going from seasons of .300 ball to playing .600 ball don't even register with you and your somber folk. Having a legit star actually playing in the playoffs, as opposed to being brittle and losing fights with inanimate objects or trying to say "I'm 85% of 75% of 100% ready to say I'm not playing in the playoffs" only equals Starbury to you. Sorry, the guy has had some nice moments that I count as SOMETHING to celebrate. Why? Because he's done them in the uniform I happen like. I liked BK too, so shoot me.

Let me see. Lebron's been in the league for 10 years. How many chips has he won? What does he have to CELEBRATE? And once you get done cataloging all the reasons Melo's not Lebron, tell me again why you've posting here all these years past, and not on the Cavs site.

What's funny is you mention the great start as equal to the nothing effect of Linsanity, when about one thread on almost every page in here turns into a "where's my Jeremy, I want my Jeremy" postfest.

Don't worry. I get it. Melo sux. Always has, always will. I think I'll go drift over and read through the brilliant Blow it all up Today threads again, and read about Minny and Cleveland's great draft picks. Or maybe I'll memorize some of those other great ideas, like following Denver (BETTER RECORD IN A TOUGHER DIVISION, PLUS THEY'RE YOUNGER AND MORE ATHLETIC THAN US!) or the Rockets and all their great cap space scenarios. You know, Morey is just a better all around human being than our douchebag owner!

Plus, I was responding to loweyecue, who I take is not tkf or anyone else. I've never adhered to the multiple personality/UK logon theory. I believe wholeheartedly that everyone is a singular and unique individual with their own passionate viewpoint.

Those who disagree with me, just happen to be wrong.

Solace wrote:Colin Cowherd doesn't seem to be that into Melo. Said he would trade him for Faried and Iguodala. Hmm....