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gunsnewing
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Tyson might be overrated.

The only thing he does really well is the back tip offensive rebounds.
We were a better team in 2010 with Amare & Melo starting. We were swept by Boston but put up a great fight and might've won had Amare not attempted a trick dunk

Amare
Melo
Novak
Shumpert
Felton

Novak is your shooter and will get countless open looks from Melo and Amare. Problem solved
I like Kidd as backup PG. Can't start him and move Shump to SF and continue to get torched in the backcourt

YAY
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Bonn1997
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3/4/2013  6:44 PM
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Rest prevents flu? Tyson's career playoff record speaks for itself.
Per 36 minutes, Amare is averaging 13.2 points and 4.7 rbs. Tyson is averaging 11.3 points and 11.3 rbs.
You play Amare at center and we have the games' worst rebounding PF and worst rebounding C in the starting lineup.

Err, you made a mistake there. Those are their per game averages no per 36. Per 36 Amare is putting up 21.5 points and 7.4 rebounds and Tyson is at 12.2 points and rebounds.


My bad. That is better. I'd happily put Amare in for Shumpert in the post-season.
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3/4/2013  6:45 PM
Amare at SG?
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3/4/2013  6:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2013  6:47 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Rest prevents flu? Tyson's career playoff record speaks for itself.
Per 36 minutes, Amare is averaging 13.2 points and 4.7 rbs. Tyson is averaging 11.3 points and 11.3 rbs.
You play Amare at center and we have the games' worst rebounding PF and worst rebounding C in the starting lineup.

Thats the point. Tyson can help us more in the playoffs and Amare will probably be useless. Rest prevents many things and hopefully the flu/virus/whatever.

And btw, not sure where you got your numbers from. Tyson in the playoffs per 36:

8.6 pts (pretty bad)
10.2 rebs (ok)
0.7 assists vs 1.4 turnovers (bad!)

lets not go gaga over those numbers because they ain't that great.


I was citing this year's #s.

I was looking at the playoff numbers which is what I care about.

and Amare is 21.5/7.4 per 36
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3/4/2013  6:46 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Amare can't do what Tyson does. The only thing he does is give us some more volume scoring, which we don't need anyway. I'm fine with him getting minutes off the bench or replacing Shumpert in the starting lineup but not replacing either of our all-stars.

Amare is a volume scorer now? At 55% for his career? Our most efficient offensive player. As opposed to JR??


No, the difference between Amare and Tyson is just volume scoring (9 more points on 7 more shots).
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3/4/2013  6:47 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Rest prevents flu? Tyson's career playoff record speaks for itself.
Per 36 minutes, Amare is averaging 13.2 points and 4.7 rbs. Tyson is averaging 11.3 points and 11.3 rbs.
You play Amare at center and we have the games' worst rebounding PF and worst rebounding C in the starting lineup.

Thats the point. Tyson can help us more in the playoffs and Amare will probably be useless. Rest prevents many things and hopefully the flu/virus/whatever.

And btw, not sure where you got your numbers from. Tyson in the playoffs per 36:

8.6 pts (pretty bad)
10.2 rebs (ok)
0.7 assists vs 1.4 turnovers (bad!)

lets not go gaga over those numbers because they ain't that great.


I was citing this year's #s.

I was looking at the playoff numbers which is what I care about.


Why? I'd be shocked if career playoff #s better predicted future post-season performance than current regular season did. The current regular season is both more recent and in most cases a bigger sample.
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3/4/2013  6:48 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Amare at SG?

LOL! Of course not silly! Melo at SF.
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3/4/2013  6:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2013  6:50 PM
We lost the Heat game because Miami took Melo out of the game in the 4th quarter. Tyson, JR, Felton & Kidd were not going to pick Melo up by scoring. Amare would have.

Woodson's ultimate downfall will be him thinking JR is our 2nd option on offense
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3/4/2013  6:50 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Rest prevents flu? Tyson's career playoff record speaks for itself.
Per 36 minutes, Amare is averaging 13.2 points and 4.7 rbs. Tyson is averaging 11.3 points and 11.3 rbs.
You play Amare at center and we have the games' worst rebounding PF and worst rebounding C in the starting lineup.

Thats the point. Tyson can help us more in the playoffs and Amare will probably be useless. Rest prevents many things and hopefully the flu/virus/whatever.

And btw, not sure where you got your numbers from. Tyson in the playoffs per 36:

8.6 pts (pretty bad)
10.2 rebs (ok)
0.7 assists vs 1.4 turnovers (bad!)

lets not go gaga over those numbers because they ain't that great.


I was citing this year's #s.

I was looking at the playoff numbers which is what I care about.


Why? I'd be shocked if career playoff #s better predicted future post-season performance than current regular season did. The current regular season is both more recent and in most cases a bigger sample.

do you really believe that?
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3/4/2013  6:50 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Amare at SG?

LOL! Of course not silly! Melo at SF.

lol
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3/4/2013  6:51 PM
My proposal was to put Amare in the starting lineup for the playoffs too. I just don't want to take out our all-star center while leaving the worst starting SF in the game in the lineup.
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3/4/2013  6:52 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Rest prevents flu? Tyson's career playoff record speaks for itself.
Per 36 minutes, Amare is averaging 13.2 points and 4.7 rbs. Tyson is averaging 11.3 points and 11.3 rbs.
You play Amare at center and we have the games' worst rebounding PF and worst rebounding C in the starting lineup.

Thats the point. Tyson can help us more in the playoffs and Amare will probably be useless. Rest prevents many things and hopefully the flu/virus/whatever.

And btw, not sure where you got your numbers from. Tyson in the playoffs per 36:

8.6 pts (pretty bad)
10.2 rebs (ok)
0.7 assists vs 1.4 turnovers (bad!)

lets not go gaga over those numbers because they ain't that great.


I was citing this year's #s.

I was looking at the playoff numbers which is what I care about.


Why? I'd be shocked if career playoff #s better predicted future post-season performance than current regular season did. The current regular season is both more recent and in most cases a bigger sample.

do you really believe that?


Do you really not? The obvious answer is that the bigger more recent sample is better. The burden is on you to come up with evidence for the alternative.
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3/4/2013  6:53 PM
James "Flight" White is the starting SF not Shumpert who is the SG
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3/4/2013  6:54 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Rest prevents flu? Tyson's career playoff record speaks for itself.
Per 36 minutes, Amare is averaging 13.2 points and 4.7 rbs. Tyson is averaging 11.3 points and 11.3 rbs.
You play Amare at center and we have the games' worst rebounding PF and worst rebounding C in the starting lineup.

Thats the point. Tyson can help us more in the playoffs and Amare will probably be useless. Rest prevents many things and hopefully the flu/virus/whatever.

And btw, not sure where you got your numbers from. Tyson in the playoffs per 36:

8.6 pts (pretty bad)
10.2 rebs (ok)
0.7 assists vs 1.4 turnovers (bad!)

lets not go gaga over those numbers because they ain't that great.


I was citing this year's #s.

I was looking at the playoff numbers which is what I care about.


Why? I'd be shocked if career playoff #s better predicted future post-season performance than current regular season did. The current regular season is both more recent and in most cases a bigger sample.

do you really believe that?


Do you really not? The obvious answer is that the bigger more recent sample is better. The burden is on you to come up with evidence for the alternative.

Also one of the biggest myths is that there's something fundamentally different about post-season than regular season play in general.
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3/4/2013  6:55 PM
gunsnewing wrote:James "Flight" White is the starting SF not Shumpert who is the SG

I forgot. In that case we have the worst starting SF and SG right now.
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3/4/2013  6:55 PM
The only way we are going to win a few rounds in the playoffs is by starting:
Tyson
Amare
Melo
Shumpert
Felton

Despite the fact that Tyson & Amare get in each other's way

but let Woodson continue to start James "Flight" White and let JR freelance for 40mins and we'll go out in the 1st round again
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3/4/2013  6:56 PM
gunsnewing wrote:The only way we are going to win a few rounds in the playoffs is by starting:
Tyson
Amare
Melo
Shumpert
Felton

Despite the fact that Tyson & Amare get in each other's way

but let Woodson continue to start James "Flight" White and let JR freelance for 40mins and we'll go out in the 1st round again


Then what was the point of this thread?
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3/4/2013  6:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2013  7:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:The only way we are going to win a few rounds in the playoffs is by starting:
Tyson
Amare
Melo
Shumpert
Felton

Despite the fact that Tyson & Amare get in each other's way

but let Woodson continue to start James "Flight" White and let JR freelance for 40mins and we'll go out in the 1st round again


Then what was the point of this thread?

Gives Woodson another option since he is so dead set on not playing Tyson and Amare together. Eventhough he has Kmart and Camby available to back the two of them up. And Novak gets more open looks playing with Amare and Melo. Since everyone wanted Jared Dudley and JJ Reddick so bad because Shumpert can't shoot
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3/4/2013  7:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Rest prevents flu? Tyson's career playoff record speaks for itself.
Per 36 minutes, Amare is averaging 13.2 points and 4.7 rbs. Tyson is averaging 11.3 points and 11.3 rbs.
You play Amare at center and we have the games' worst rebounding PF and worst rebounding C in the starting lineup.

Thats the point. Tyson can help us more in the playoffs and Amare will probably be useless. Rest prevents many things and hopefully the flu/virus/whatever.

And btw, not sure where you got your numbers from. Tyson in the playoffs per 36:

8.6 pts (pretty bad)
10.2 rebs (ok)
0.7 assists vs 1.4 turnovers (bad!)

lets not go gaga over those numbers because they ain't that great.


I was citing this year's #s.

I was looking at the playoff numbers which is what I care about.


Why? I'd be shocked if career playoff #s better predicted future post-season performance than current regular season did. The current regular season is both more recent and in most cases a bigger sample.

do you really believe that?


Do you really not? The obvious answer is that the bigger more recent sample is better. The burden is on you to come up with evidence for the alternative.

Also one of the biggest myths is that there's something fundamentally different about post-season than regular season play in general.

Ok ... for starters

Tyson PPG per 36 - Playoffs last 3 years:

8.4
8.8
6.7


Reg season:

13.1
12.2
12.2

Hhhhmmm - interesting start to my research. This should be interesting.
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3/4/2013  7:08 PM
Wow is chandler under-appreciated. He is a top three center. This team has no defense and very little rebounding without him. He would start for almost every team in the league and he isn't good enough to start for the the Knicks?
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3/4/2013  7:11 PM
OldFan wrote:Wow is chandler under-appreciated. He is a top three center. This team has no defense and very little rebounding without him. He would start for almost every team in the league and he isn't good enough to start for the the Knicks?

Of course he is good enough to start for most teams.

He was not worth what we paid for him though.
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