MSG3 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:It is worth noting that Morey was mentored by Walsh. Walsh was a patient guy and he really turned this team around (as he is now doing in Indiana, though he walked into a great situation there). Walsh was going in a great direction and I really really wonder what this team would be right now had he "stayed".

I do think we did the Melo deal all wrong, but I also think Melo did the Melo deal all wrong. Both parties are to blame, but not Walsh, this was a Dolan deal, clearly.

We have a very good team IF we can get past the injuries. But, if Melo had just come here and we still had Lin along with some key guys in the trade (Gallo - would be our #2, Chandler - injured, but could be a #2 also, Moz - good big body, picks) right now, we might have the strongest team in the NBA with the deepest bench. We might have even had Harden on this team. Either way, we would have a GREAT #2 in Gallo which right now we have who? We don't have a #2 in the starting lineup.

I do like our team, but I think it is a fraction of what it could have been. It has been a painful year for all kinds of Knick fans but the real worry comes in the postseason. This postseason is make or break, straw that breaks the camels back, etc. This is basically our year, maybe if cards fall the right way we can pick up some good players next year. But, we still need a great #2 and we are capped out.

People forget that we probably wouldn't have been able to keep Gallo and Wilson Chandler as well as get Tyson Chandler. I agree that if Melo would've come here as a free agent it would've been better, but then you get into the discussion on how many people would actually leave all that money on the table Melo would've had to if he didn't get the extension.

People forget about all of that. We wouldn't have had a chance a Chandler, and would have had to pay all these guys. We would have been at a dead end. I would rather pay T Chandler than Gallo and W Chandler. We got Felton back at a discount good or bad. The idea that the trade "stripped us of all assets" is a very inaccurate and mindless statement because those assets were about to get paid and no longer be assets. It's the only easy-out statement that Melo trade haters have left. Melo is no longer Mr .047 or whatever people called him and the depth was replenished. I think it is time to give it up.

earthmansurfer wrote:It is worth noting that Morey was mentored by Walsh. Walsh was a patient guy and he really turned this team around (as he is now doing in Indiana, though he walked into a great situation there). Walsh was going in a great direction and I really really wonder what this team would be right now had he "stayed".

I do think we did the Melo deal all wrong, but I also think Melo did the Melo deal all wrong. Both parties are to blame, but not Walsh, this was a Dolan deal, clearly.

We have a very good team IF we can get past the injuries. But, if Melo had just come here and we still had Lin along with some key guys in the trade (Gallo - would be our #2, Chandler - injured, but could be a #2 also, Moz - good big body, picks) right now, we might have the strongest team in the NBA with the deepest bench. We might have even had Harden on this team. Either way, we would have a GREAT #2 in Gallo which right now we have who? We don't have a #2 in the starting lineup.

I do like our team, but I think it is a fraction of what it could have been. It has been a painful year for all kinds of Knick fans but the real worry comes in the postseason. This postseason is make or break, straw that breaks the camels back, etc. This is basically our year, maybe if cards fall the right way we can pick up some good players next year. But, we still need a great #2 and we are capped out.

This team is still searching for a Gallo/Chandler type talent hence Jared Dudley's name surfaced and we had interest during the summer for Josh Howard. Sometimes these type of talents are harder to come by than Max Cats.

They key is to always be ahead in the game with planning and thinking and as Derek Jeter said....NEVER PANIC!!!!

3G4G wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Let's see where the Rockets are next year and the year after before we call what Morey has done a complete success. If they get another piece like Dwight, Josh Smith or someone else I think they could be scary good as long as Lin keeps progressing.

But as constituted they're not close to a contender. If I'm Morey I'm praying Lin keeps it up so you have him as a trade chip. Houston has a ton of assets they could move for someone like Dwight in a S&T, Chris Paul in a S&T if he doesn't want to stay in LA, etc.

What GM builds a complete CONTENDER in 1 off-season. Really what you want is to become like the Dallas Mavericks or if possible Spurs where you're a lock to win 50gms+/yr(like a decade or more) advance deep into the playoffs and have maybe multiple shots at winning it all. It's not to go all in for a 1-3yr window and then bottom the blank out with nothing for show.

Right...there were 3 off seasons to get Walsh to a place where he could make a run at LeBron. After he wasn't an option the options were to build a team that could contend in the East ASAP. Really, what kind of team could we have built better equipped to challenge Miami? Sure it would have been possible, but the Knicks aren't a bad team. They're actually quite good. Are we Miami good? No. But neither is anyone else. Should we have just given up after LeBron decided on Miami and waited for him to retire before trying to build around top talent? Dallas won a title. Good for them. But along the way they let one of the best PG's ever go and then needlessly dismantled a championship squad.

Knicks fans are emotional. We always think our team is the worst at everything ever. The Dolan/Layden/Isiah triumvirate doesn't help that, but it's true. If we lose to Miami in game 7 of the ECF, I guarantee you there will be endless Lin and Melo trade threads. Nothing will ever be good enough unless we win a title. In a way, it's easier to have a negative outlook on a decent Knicks team. Chances are we won't make it to the ECF or finals. But you can say that about every team besides Miami.

Does that mean we have to all be NYKMentality and refuse to see clear problems with coaching, players and effort? No. But I think everyone needs to STFU about the trade and Lin already. We're a top team in our conference. If the last 10 years taught us anything, it's to treasure something like that. Who knows what can happen if we meet Miami in the playoffs.

We would have had Lebron, maybe Bosh, WITH Gallo, Wilson and some assets to do some othe things to round out the roster. That was the vision. Im sure Gallo or Wilson would have been traded but thats a potential core. I think everyone is better playing with Lebron.

Dolan was a clown during the Lebron process and the Melo trade. Its is team and vision. Donnie didn't put his name on that trade.

As far as Donnie paying too much to clear cap? Yeah, he did. It was pretty transparent waht he was doing and his boss wanted it done.

Assign blame? Knicks way of doing things. Denver and Houstan are doing things differntly. What was vs. what will be is a whole 'nother story!

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:good work bro.. Good Detailed work.. A few things I really took note of..

Knicks situation was not as bad as some fans made it out to be. We had amare, a lot of young talent and picks. Stay the course, be smart with the assets and deal from a position of strength.... we got desperate and Denver knew that, they then proceeded to kick our teeth in on that trade.

Houston on the other hand, was patient. I kept telling people who were saying that morey had to do something now, that He didn't have to do anything now.. He could make a deal at any point with the assets he had... so what did morey do? He waited and instead of taking a half court hook shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.. He got an allyoop dunk, after running the shot clock down, making the other team defend and then getting an easy shot....

It is amazing to see how two franchises handled two similar situations so differently.... The franchise with all the money, the glitz and glamour of NYC, MSG, celebrity row, access to big media market, huge fan base, seemed to operate like a small market franchise who lacked the experience to negotiate with power... while the smaller market Houston franchise and add Denver in as well, seemed to act as if they were the big kahuna, sitting at the table with all the chips.....

Walsh wasn't perfect, but he was patient, and had dolan let him do his job... Carmelo would have been In either Denver or NJ and the knicks would IMO have a much brighter present and future.... but hey.. whatever....

Master suck up himself

My new nicknames for you:

Good work 3G4G
Good work DK

I would love to one day see them write that about you. Maybe today perhaps?

LOL

eh... I guess you don't get the drift..... there are other ways to deal with your personal attacks and baiting.... I will just do so..

A woman scorned I guess...

TKF, it would be my honor to be on your personal ignore list. PLEASE!!!

Talk about personal attacks! Do you even see or read your posts? Even when someone wants to engage in a mature argument with you, you are always acting like a jackazz - grow up and purchase some class.

As I have said numerous times when people try to say that you and DK are one of the same, NOT!!

He can have a dissenting opinion but actually engage in a respectable argument. Trust me, he does not need you as a tag teammate as you so obviously need him.

Man ... this is too easy!

Hey mrKnickShot, cut the crap, I am tired of your posts like this. If you got nothing to add, please leave the site. Thanks.

jrodmc wrote:Wow. Reasons to go follow the Rockets. Thankfully, you put New York Knicks in the thread title.
Great.

I was really tired of hearing how great the Nuggets are.

The Nuggets currently have a better winning % than the knicks.
So the team built to win now by mortgaging its future is currently winning less than the team that sacrificed its present to win more in the future.

You are not close to stop hearing about the Nuggets, trust me.

playa2 wrote:When the rockets get bumped in the 1st rd, you guys will be silent.

Nobody expected the Rockets to be in the playoffs this year.
Getting bumped in the 1st round is progress for them, a chance to learn and grow.

And btw, something to keep in mind:

New York Knicks Salaries
2012/13: $79,405,151
2013/14: $76,404,547

Houston Rockets Salaries
2012/13: $49,417,204
2013/14: $38,063,852

Do you honestly think the Rockets will see a 1st round exist as a failure?

raven wrote:

playa2 wrote:When the rockets get bumped in the 1st rd, you guys will be silent.

Nobody expected the Rockets to be in the playoffs this year.
Getting bumped in the 1st round is progress for them, a chance to learn and grow.

And btw, something to keep in mind:

New York Knicks Salaries
2012/13: $79,405,151
2013/14: $76,404,547

Houston Rockets Salaries
2012/13: $49,417,204
2013/14: $38,063,852

Do you honestly think the Rockets will see a 1st round exist as a failure?

It's not just the money. The Rockets' average player has 1.7 years of experience. The Knicks teams of the past decade have been underachieving veterans.

earthmansurfer wrote:It is worth noting that Morey was mentored by Walsh. Walsh was a patient guy and he really turned this team around (as he is now doing in Indiana, though he walked into a great situation there). Walsh was going in a great direction and I really really wonder what this team would be right now had he "stayed".

I do think we did the Melo deal all wrong, but I also think Melo did the Melo deal all wrong. Both parties are to blame, but not Walsh, this was a Dolan deal, clearly.

We have a very good team IF we can get past the injuries. But, if Melo had just come here and we still had Lin along with some key guys in the trade (Gallo - would be our #2, Chandler - injured, but could be a #2 also, Moz - good big body, picks) right now, we might have the strongest team in the NBA with the deepest bench. We might have even had Harden on this team. Either way, we would have a GREAT #2 in Gallo which right now we have who? We don't have a #2 in the starting lineup.

I do like our team, but I think it is a fraction of what it could have been. It has been a painful year for all kinds of Knick fans but the real worry comes in the postseason. This postseason is make or break, straw that breaks the camels back, etc. This is basically our year, maybe if cards fall the right way we can pick up some good players next year. But, we still need a great #2 and we are capped out.