mrKnickShot wrote:The screens piss me off to no end.

JR is NOT Starks!!!

Felton is horrible.

Those 2 will kill us in the playoffs - mark my words.

He's the closest thing we've had to Starks since Starks himself in regards to their personalities on the basketball court. Both play with fire and both make lots of mental mistakes when frustrated. I'll give Starks defense over J.R's defense, but in regards to effort and overall heart? I love em both.

And in case you never cared enough to notice, but J.R Smith is a much better shooter of the basketball when compared to Starks. From career FG percentage, Free Throw percentage and 3 point percentage; J.R Smith has Starks beat every which way. J.R Smith also does a better job of protecting the ball when compared to Starks. Better rebounder when compared to Starks as well.

Now, I loved Starks with everything I had as a Knicks fan throughout the 90's, but Ewing was always one NBA star away from eliminating the likes of Jordan and Pippen. And unfortunately, Starks wasn't the answer. And thankfully J.R's not being asked to be so alongside Melo.

Great game for J.R tonight. 6/17, 18 points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal along with only 1 turnover.

The other guy you trashed in regards to Felton just put up 8 points, 10 assists, 3 boards, 1 steal and made sure to feed Stoudemire time and time again.

mrKnickShot wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:The screens piss me off to no end.

JR is NOT Starks!!!

Felton is horrible.

Those 2 will kill us in the playoffs - mark my words.

He's the closest thing we've had to Starks since Starks himself in regards to their personalities on the basketball court. Both play with fire and both make lots of mental mistakes when frustrated. I'll give Starks defense over J.R's defense, but in regards to effort and overall heart? I love em both.

And in case you never cared enough to notice, but J.R Smith is a much better shooter of the basketball when compared to Starks. From career FG percentage, Free Throw percentage and 3 point percentage; J.R Smith has Starks beat every which way. J.R Smith also does a better job of protecting the ball when compared to Starks. Better rebounder when compared to Starks as well.

Now, I loved Starks with everything I had as a Knicks fan throughout the 90's, but Ewing was always one NBA star away from eliminating the likes of Jordan and Pippen. And unfortunately, Starks wasn't the answer. And thankfully J.R's not being asked to be so alongside Melo.

Great game for J.R tonight. 6/17, 18 points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal along with only 1 turnover.

The other guy you trashed in regards to Felton just put up 8 points, 10 assists, 3 boards, 1 steal and made sure to feed Stoudemire time and time again.

3-9 and 6-17 is pretty awful but yet you brag about this. ok

There is more to basketball than "field goal percentage". Nice way to harp all over one aspect while ignoring the rest.

What about J.R's 18 points, 7 assists, 7 boards, 1 steal with only 1 turnover?

And if you consider 6-17 as pretty awful, that means you know zero about John Starks. So, what are you talking about to begin with?

Starks had PLENTY of 4/15, 7/22, 1/9, 4/12, 7/21, 4/16, 2/8, 1/7 types of shooting percentages during the regular season. When Starks struggled, he struggled bad. Much worse than J.R's struggles when in regards to shooting. What about against the Bulls during the postseason having games of 2/11, 4/10, 4/11 and 3/12 shooting performances (during the same series)?

Talking up Starks as a player but then downing J.R for shooting 6-17? Just goes to show how much of a hypocrite you really are in regards to current Knicks and/or how little you know about #3 (Starks). What about during the 95-96 playoffs as Starks only went 0-9, 2-5, 4-11 and 3-10? We lost all 4 of those games. What about during the 96-97 playoffs against Miami? Starks had games of 1/7, 1/8, 6/16 and 3/9. You calling Starks an awful player now, due to shooting percentages?

But yet, you're trying to talk up John Starks when compared to J.R Smith? I take it you really weren't around throughout the Starks era of the 1990's? You harping all over J.R for 6/17 while ignoring his 18 points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds and only 1 turnover goes to show a lot about what type of poster/person/fan you are.

MSG3 wrote:I will live to regret authoring this thread.

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NYKMentality wrote:There is more to basketball than "field goal percentage". Nice way to harp all over one aspect while ignoring the rest.

What about J.R's 18 points, 7 assists, 7 boards, 1 steal with only 1 turnover?

And if you consider 6-17 as pretty awful, that means you know zero about John Starks. So, what are you talking about to begin with?

Starks had PLENTY of 4/15, 7/22, 1/9, 4/12, 7/21, 4/16, 2/8, 1/7 types of shooting percentages during the regular season. When Starks struggled, he struggled bad. Much worse than J.R's struggles when in regards to shooting. What about against the Bulls during the postseason having games of 2/11, 4/10, 4/11 and 3/12 shooting performances (during the same series)?

Talking up Starks as a player but then downing J.R for shooting 6-17? Just goes to show how much of a hypocrite you really are in regards to current Knicks and/or how little you know about #3 (Starks). What about during the 95-96 playoffs as Starks only went 0-9, 2-5, 4-11 and 3-10? We lost all 4 of those games. What about during the 96-97 playoffs against Miami? Starks had games of 1/7, 1/8, 6/16 and 3/9. You calling Starks an awful player now, due to shooting percentages?

But yet, you're trying to talk up John Starks when compared to J.R Smith? I take it you really weren't around throughout the Starks era of the 1990's? You harping all over J.R for 6/17 while ignoring his 18 points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds and only 1 turnover goes to show a lot about what type of poster/person/fan you are.

Seriously, stop comparing JR to Starks. You clearly were not old enough in the 90s to appreciate what you were seeing, if you even really saw Starks play.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

toad wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:There is more to basketball than "field goal percentage". Nice way to harp all over one aspect while ignoring the rest.

What about J.R's 18 points, 7 assists, 7 boards, 1 steal with only 1 turnover?

And if you consider 6-17 as pretty awful, that means you know zero about John Starks. So, what are you talking about to begin with?

Starks had PLENTY of 4/15, 7/22, 1/9, 4/12, 7/21, 4/16, 2/8, 1/7 types of shooting percentages during the regular season. When Starks struggled, he struggled bad. Much worse than J.R's struggles when in regards to shooting. What about against the Bulls during the postseason having games of 2/11, 4/10, 4/11 and 3/12 shooting performances (during the same series)?

Talking up Starks as a player but then downing J.R for shooting 6-17? Just goes to show how much of a hypocrite you really are in regards to current Knicks and/or how little you know about #3 (Starks). What about during the 95-96 playoffs as Starks only went 0-9, 2-5, 4-11 and 3-10? We lost all 4 of those games. What about during the 96-97 playoffs against Miami? Starks had games of 1/7, 1/8, 6/16 and 3/9. You calling Starks an awful player now, due to shooting percentages?

But yet, you're trying to talk up John Starks when compared to J.R Smith? I take it you really weren't around throughout the Starks era of the 1990's? You harping all over J.R for 6/17 while ignoring his 18 points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds and only 1 turnover goes to show a lot about what type of poster/person/fan you are.

Seriously, stop comparing JR to Starks. You clearly were not old enough in the 90s to appreciate what you were seeing, if you even really saw Starks play.

i was very young but also very smart, i always loved watching knicks with my dad

never saw the attitude problems that i see now but were they there? maybe i could not see them or i have grown cynical in my old age

i'm still very smart

yellowboy90 wrote:I know jr is getting his flak but so many of his shots were wide open by a huge margin. Should he pass on those and drive into a packed paint? Idk maybe he could have passed up the open shots like Kidd was doing which hurt the o.

He never goes to the hole. Dude is all tatted up and swagged out but never gets to the line. Knick fans should not put faith in this clown. He has zero playoff moxie.

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I know jr is getting his flak but so many of his shots were wide open by a huge margin. Should he pass on those and drive into a packed paint? Idk maybe he could have passed up the open shots like Kidd was doing which hurt the o.

He never goes to the hole. Dude is all tatted up and swagged out but never gets to the line. Knick fans should not put faith in this clown. He has zero playoff moxie.

dk7th - ever consider that your resentful tone is about something larger?

"Dude is all tatted up and swagged out..."

How does physical appearance relate to performance? Chris Anderson has enough dye on his body to paint both end zones for The Super Bowl and rarely is there a disparaging word about his hobby. Tatoos are not a political statement of superiority, it is a hobby. JR Smith could dip himself in a vat of red dye number 6 and Mike Woodson would still trust him to come off the bench and provide a spark on defense.

Calling anyone a clown from a safe distance is never cool. it's a punk move, unless you have the balls to clown that person in person. At such time, the other person can always express a rebuttal, personally.

JR Smith is imperfect and entertainingly flawed enough to play a significant role on this team. In the immortal words of Dennis Green, "You wanna clown his ass, then clown his ass to his face."

Faith? Put your faith in your family and your ability to provide for your children. Not a basketball player.

It is only hoops.

misterearl wrote:This is just basketball.

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I know jr is getting his flak but so many of his shots were wide open by a huge margin. Should he pass on those and drive into a packed paint? Idk maybe he could have passed up the open shots like Kidd was doing which hurt the o.

He never goes to the hole. Dude is all tatted up and swagged out but never gets to the line. Knick fans should not put faith in this clown. He has zero playoff moxie.

dk7th - ever consider that your resentful tone is about something larger?

"Dude is all tatted up and swagged out..."

How does physical appearance relate to performance? Chris Anderson has enough dye on his body to paint both end zones for The Super Bowl and rarely is there a disparaging word about his hobby. Tatoos are not a political statement of superiority, it is a hobby. JR Smith could dip himself in a vat of red dye number 6 and Mike Woodson would still trust him to come off the bench and provide a spark on defense.

Calling anyone a clown from a safe distance is never cool. it's a punk move, unless you have the balls to clown that person in person. At such time, the other person can always express a rebuttal, personally.

JR Smith is imperfect and entertainingly flawed enough to play a significant role on this team. In the immortal words of Dennis Green, "You wanna clown his ass, then clown his ass to his face."

Faith? Put your faith in your family and your ability to provide for your children. Not a basketball player.

It is only hoops.

thanks but i don't need lectures. tattoes are decoration that project a message. what message is he projecting to you?

to me his message is "i'm tough and i like thugs and gangs." he reinforces that image with tweets and signs.

but his game is charmin soft. he never gets to the line. so he's a clown. all hat and no cattle. and woodson is a moron for putting so much faith and responsibility into a moron's hands. birds of a feather i guess.

so yes his physical appearance does in fact relate to his performance, if by "relate" we mean "stands in direct contradiction with." if there is any reason for "resentment" on my part it is this.

finally since it is virtually impossible that i will ever have an opportunity to meet jr smith in person, it is also therefore impossible for me to have the opportunity to be cowardly-- in which case your name-calling is both in vain and annoying. the next best thing i can expect is getting into a tweet fracas with him. that's what he loves to do and is surely one source of his attentional issues, and i guess that also reinforces the image of toughness... right professor?

misterearl wrote:Gangs of New York

"i'm tough and i like thugs and gangs."

Really?

Which gangs are we talking here?

If It Walks Like A Duck

bloods

"On August 5, 2009 Smith closed his Twitter account (jr_smith1) because he was accused of writing in a way that reflected the Bloods gang, specifically replacing his c's with k's.[31]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/J-R-Smith-shuts-down-Twitter-account-amid-contr?urn=nba,180969