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mrKnickShot
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3/3/2013  11:40 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Melo gets his guy after all?

You know how he showed his disappointment on twitter the night they drafted Shumpert over Selby and then had to back track as usual

This was one of most comical moments since he's been a Knick....lol he was there watching his workout like the decision to draft him was falling all on his shoulders but then Walsh switched it up...ha ha ha ha

To be honest the Knicks war room had it down to Shump and Chris Singleton and then Walsh left it up to D'Antoni. Melo didn't even factor into it at all.

woulda been nice if MDA had the brains to suggest faried

Well that's on Walsh and the rest of the scouts. They could've put a priority on Faried if they felt that strongly about him. He wasn't as high on the depth chart. Problem is that Melo and STAT were the priority and getting another guard was put higher on the list than another forward. Just remember that we need Shump to help with Wade.

We need shump to hit a shot and be an efficient scorer. For him to be just a defensive stopper that he better be the best defensive player that we've ever had. He ain't that.

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3/4/2013  12:19 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Melo gets his guy after all?

You know how he showed his disappointment on twitter the night they drafted Shumpert over Selby and then had to back track as usual

This was one of most comical moments since he's been a Knick....lol he was there watching his workout like the decision to draft him was falling all on his shoulders but then Walsh switched it up...ha ha ha ha

To be honest the Knicks war room had it down to Shump and Chris Singleton and then Walsh left it up to D'Antoni. Melo didn't even factor into it at all.

woulda been nice if MDA had the brains to suggest faried

Well that's on Walsh and the rest of the scouts. They could've put a priority on Faried if they felt that strongly about him. He wasn't as high on the depth chart. Problem is that Melo and STAT were the priority and getting another guard was put higher on the list than another forward. Just remember that we need Shump to help with Wade.

We need shump to hit a shot and be an efficient scorer. For him to be just a defensive stopper that he better be the best defensive player that we've ever had. He ain't that.

It's an added bonus if Shump hits a shot, but what we need more than anything is to get the teams $20 million dollar player in the game for more than 21 minutes and 7 shot attempts. Meanwhile JR has 18 shot attempts!!! that makes no sense at all. STAT is a much better player than JR and he's proven. All the STAT doubters need to recognize that he's still our 2nd best player and we need him.

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3/4/2013  12:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2013  12:46 AM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Melo gets his guy after all?

You know how he showed his disappointment on twitter the night they drafted Shumpert over Selby and then had to back track as usual

This was one of most comical moments since he's been a Knick....lol he was there watching his workout like the decision to draft him was falling all on his shoulders but then Walsh switched it up...ha ha ha ha

To be honest the Knicks war room had it down to Shump and Chris Singleton and then Walsh left it up to D'Antoni. Melo didn't even factor into it at all.

woulda been nice if MDA had the brains to suggest faried

Well that's on Walsh and the rest of the scouts. They could've put a priority on Faried if they felt that strongly about him. He wasn't as high on the depth chart. Problem is that Melo and STAT were the priority and getting another guard was put higher on the list than another forward. Just remember that we need Shump to help with Wade.

We need shump to hit a shot and be an efficient scorer. For him to be just a defensive stopper that he better be the best defensive player that we've ever had. He ain't that.

It's an added bonus if Shump hits a shot, but what we need more than anything is to get the teams $20 million dollar player in the game for more than 21 minutes and 7 shot attempts. Meanwhile JR has 18 shot attempts!!! that makes no sense at all. STAT is a much better player than JR and he's proven. All the STAT doubters need to recognize that he's still our 2nd best player and we need him.

Stat may have some left in the tank but he sure cant bring the ball up. Would be nice if he could rebound half as good as JR too.

JR taking 18 shots is/was disgusting and continues and will continue to be. WE ARE IN BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG TROUBLE because of our guards or lack thereof. If someone does not see this they are either blind or dumb ... or both.

Having Shump on the court and not being able to hit a shot is awful and just another sign of how bad we are at guard. Him hitting a shot is not a bonus, him hitting MANY shots is a necessity and he is not up for it at this time and I am not sure that he will ever be.

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3/4/2013  1:34 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Melo gets his guy after all?

You know how he showed his disappointment on twitter the night they drafted Shumpert over Selby and then had to back track as usual

This was one of most comical moments since he's been a Knick....lol he was there watching his workout like the decision to draft him was falling all on his shoulders but then Walsh switched it up...ha ha ha ha

To be honest the Knicks war room had it down to Shump and Chris Singleton and then Walsh left it up to D'Antoni. Melo didn't even factor into it at all.

woulda been nice if MDA had the brains to suggest faried

Well that's on Walsh and the rest of the scouts. They could've put a priority on Faried if they felt that strongly about him. He wasn't as high on the depth chart. Problem is that Melo and STAT were the priority and getting another guard was put higher on the list than another forward. Just remember that we need Shump to help with Wade.

We need shump to hit a shot and be an efficient scorer. For him to be just a defensive stopper that he better be the best defensive player that we've ever had. He ain't that.

It's an added bonus if Shump hits a shot, but what we need more than anything is to get the teams $20 million dollar player in the game for more than 21 minutes and 7 shot attempts. Meanwhile JR has 18 shot attempts!!! that makes no sense at all. STAT is a much better player than JR and he's proven. All the STAT doubters need to recognize that he's still our 2nd best player and we need him.

Stat may have some left in the tank but he sure cant bring the ball up. Would be nice if he could rebound half as good as JR too.

JR taking 18 shots is/was disgusting and continues and will continue to be. WE ARE IN BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG TROUBLE because of our guards or lack thereof. If someone does not see this they are either blind or dumb ... or both.

Having Shump on the court and not being able to hit a shot is awful and just another sign of how bad we are at guard. Him hitting a shot is not a bonus, him hitting MANY shots is a necessity and he is not up for it at this time and I am not sure that he will ever be.

I don't know why you're minimizing the importance of having STAT be a bigger part of what we do. He's clearly a better player than JR. He's far more efficient and he can impact a game if he gets a lot of touches. He's not getting those touches right now. As I said. No reason in the world STAT takes 7 and JR takes 18.

AS for Shump, many guards come into the NBA not being able to shoot. It's still too soon to say what Shump is gonna be. His shot form isn't the worst i've ever seen. For one thing he needs more attempts to really get a feel and he doesn't get that many. You really have to gain confidence but he's not in a situation where they can allow him to build that confidence by taking and missing some shots and not being afraid to shoot it again if he's open.

Shump is only taking 5 shots a game and very few players can get hot taking that few shots. Also he's only played 18 games. You don't know what kind of player Shump is gonna be with such a small sampling so far. Let's just get him thru this season and then take it from there. Right now we need his D and for him to play smarter. I'd like to see him drive more and learn how to finish at the rim better.

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3/4/2013  2:41 AM
Exactly
Stat 7 shots
JR 18 shots

That right there is exactly what is wrong with this team

And it falls on the coach who allows JR to freelance and nailed 55% Shooting Amare to the bench for 20mins and 7 shots

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3/4/2013  7:07 AM
Josh makes TD look like Stockton. That said, I'd love to pick him up. He's an NBA talent and he can score off the bench. His playmaking and D needs work, but he's athletic and improving. Couldn't hurt.
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3/4/2013  9:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2013  3:34 PM
By the way I could care less if the Knicks got Selby or not He Sucks. I just want to make the point that Melo needs to shut up and let Grunwald do his job.

Clearly Melo was wrong being upset about the Knicks drafting Shumpert over Selby. As he was wrong calling Lin's contract ridiculous.

Melo's homeboy got waived by Cleveland hahahahaha

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3/4/2013  9:39 AM
gunsnewing wrote:By the way I could care less if the Knicks got Selby or not. I just want to make the point that Melo needs to shut up and let Grunwald do his job.

Clearly Melo was wrong being upset about the Knicks drafting Shumpert over Selby. As he was wrong calling Lin's contract ridiculous.

Who cares what he says or thinks?

C'mon! Really?

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3/4/2013  1:17 PM
nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:We just need a guard that can break down a defense and bring the ball up quickly. Just have enough quickness to defend a little and chase down quicker guards. We don't need Selby to actually run the offense. Who cares if he's a pure point or SG at this point. We need young fresh bodies at guard. People once said the same things about Lin so don't be so quick to dismiss a guy just cuz he hasn't been able to stick so far. Sometimes it's circumstances that lead to that.

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I agree! Just like for Lin being in the right place at the right time. Lin can thank D'Antoni for his break. And if he would have stayed in New York Woody might have destroyed him. I now kinda wished that Lin and Melo would have had the chance to really play together. I now believe that Lin would have gotten his props but Melo would still be the alfa dog. Because Melo would still have his skills and talent.

Breakdown PG's have a purpose. We have half of one in Felton and that's it. JR and Shump don't do it enough and aren't that great at it. Say all you want about Lin, but he could get into the paint at will. We miss that aspect of the game. Getting into the paint and drawing and kicking or drawing a foul.

Whoa there. He could get into the paint, when he could get the ball up court. Felton delivers the ball from the backcourt. This same Miami team ate Lin alive as he tried to advance the ball. Chalmers owned Lin on D. Let's take off the rose colored glasses on Jeremy. I think that this was one reason he didn't come back for the playoffs last year.

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3/4/2013  1:28 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Melo gets his guy after all?

You know how he showed his disappointment on twitter the night they drafted Shumpert over Selby and then had to back track as usual

This was one of most comical moments since he's been a Knick....lol he was there watching his workout like the decision to draft him was falling all on his shoulders but then Walsh switched it up...ha ha ha ha

To be honest the Knicks war room had it down to Shump and Chris Singleton and then Walsh left it up to D'Antoni. Melo didn't even factor into it at all.

woulda been nice if MDA had the brains to suggest faried

Well that's on Walsh and the rest of the scouts. They could've put a priority on Faried if they felt that strongly about him. He wasn't as high on the depth chart. Problem is that Melo and STAT were the priority and getting another guard was put higher on the list than another forward. Just remember that we need Shump to help with Wade.

We need shump to hit a shot and be an efficient scorer. For him to be just a defensive stopper that he better be the best defensive player that we've ever had. He ain't that.

It's an added bonus if Shump hits a shot, but what we need more than anything is to get the teams $20 million dollar player in the game for more than 21 minutes and 7 shot attempts. Meanwhile JR has 18 shot attempts!!! that makes no sense at all. STAT is a much better player than JR and he's proven. All the STAT doubters need to recognize that he's still our 2nd best player and we need him.

Stat may have some left in the tank but he sure cant bring the ball up. Would be nice if he could rebound half as good as JR too.

JR taking 18 shots is/was disgusting and continues and will continue to be. WE ARE IN BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG TROUBLE because of our guards or lack thereof. If someone does not see this they are either blind or dumb ... or both.

Having Shump on the court and not being able to hit a shot is awful and just another sign of how bad we are at guard. Him hitting a shot is not a bonus, him hitting MANY shots is a necessity and he is not up for it at this time and I am not sure that he will ever be.

I don't know why you're minimizing the importance of having STAT be a bigger part of what we do. He's clearly a better player than JR. He's far more efficient and he can impact a game if he gets a lot of touches. He's not getting those touches right now. As I said. No reason in the world STAT takes 7 and JR takes 18.

AS for Shump, many guards come into the NBA not being able to shoot. It's still too soon to say what Shump is gonna be. His shot form isn't the worst i've ever seen. For one thing he needs more attempts to really get a feel and he doesn't get that many. You really have to gain confidence but he's not in a situation where they can allow him to build that confidence by taking and missing some shots and not being afraid to shoot it again if he's open.

Shump is only taking 5 shots a game and very few players can get hot taking that few shots. Also he's only played 18 games. You don't know what kind of player Shump is gonna be with such a small sampling so far. Let's just get him thru this season and then take it from there. Right now we need his D and for him to play smarter. I'd like to see him drive more and learn how to finish at the rim better.

This is the answer to the Shumpert conundrum. He should be driving the ball and finishing at the rim. Not with the crowd pleasing dunk, but with a layup or a lay-in. If he's fouled, he shoots the foul shot, allowing him a few looks at the rim and getting a feel for the ball. Every shot doesn't have to be the deep three.

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Cleveland Waives PG Josh Selby

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