DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Well Granger isn't the best player on the team anymore. Plus he is always injured.

Not being the best player doesn't mean you have to concede by default...For the most part Granger has been relatively healthy throughout his career besides this season.

Dwayne Wade has never been a true leader and matter of fact during his first championship it was Mourning and the other vets who led that team. Remember GP got all in Wade's grill during the Bulls series and every since he did that, that's when the team took off?

Joakim Noah is a leader on the Bulls team is he better than Rose or Deng?

Pierce and Garnett allowed Rondo to lead as far back to last year, there are fans who still think a healthy Pierce and Garnett are better than him.

What about when Dallas won their Chip it was said Chandler and Terry were more the leaders on that team than Dirk were they better players?

Indy has quality ownership, managment and it trickles down to the types of players they get..

dolan is a douchebag, he hires douchebags most of the time, and the players they acquire.. well.... go figure..

they CURRENTLY have good management. For the vast majority of the Larry Bird era, they were totally mismanaged and Bird got a free pass for all those years.

Bird got a free pass?

Well let's see they came to an end of era with O'Neal/Artest/Jackson/Tinsley....who was largely responsible for bringing in those players? Walsh

Then in 2005 they drafted Granger primarily Walsh's call although Bird was at the helm as GM....They finally purged those guys above by 2007. Bird hired Jim O'brien around the same time(which wasn't the best move) but they missed the playoffs 4 straight yrs. Walsh leaves for New York.... Bird drafted once again 2008(Hibbert) 2009(Hansnbrough) 2010(George and Stephenson) hired Vogel(outstanding hire) in 2010 and made the playoffs that season and have been serious playoff threats since. By my count that's a 3yr rebuild, how long do you think it takes most teams to purge and rebuild? When they do rebuild how long do you think it takes for them to be Contenders/Threats? If looked at objectively most of Bird's moves have been great, although he's made some bad ones.

He doesn't have 1 bad contract on the team and they are now a greater threat than we are and he made major headway when Walsh left.

If anything this points to how overrated Walsh was as an Exec, while they were together for sure....very good man extremely overrated GM/Pres overall.

DurzoBlint wrote:oh, and lets not talk about how Isiah filled that team with a bunch of thugs and malcontents that eventually hurt the team and embarrassed the ENTIRE league. Lets not act like the grass is so incredibly green over there.

And to call Dolan a douchebag really shows your bias TK. The guy may not be the best NBA owner in the world but, he has always come across as a decent guy. You know I have always respect you as a poster but, I think you may be a bit too emotionally invested.

LOL dolan is a total and complete douchebag. born crossing home plate thinking he hit a home run, among a laundry list of other character flaws.

so far as the knicks go, as with any organization, the fish rots from the head down.

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:oh, and lets not talk about how Isiah filled that team with a bunch of thugs and malcontents that eventually hurt the team and embarrassed the ENTIRE league. Lets not act like the grass is so incredibly green over there.

And to call Dolan a douchebag really shows your bias TK. The guy may not be the best NBA owner in the world but, he has always come across as a decent guy. You know I have always respect you as a poster but, I think you may be a bit too emotionally invested.

LOL dolan is a total and complete douchebag. born crossing home plate thinking he hit a home run, among a laundry list of other character flaws.

so far as the knicks go, as with any organization, the fish rots from the head down.

hahahaha... nice

yipee lOl

3G4G wrote:WOW!

Frame This In Case Anyone Of Us Forgets

Danny Granger is willing to submerge his ego and relinquish the Indiana Pacers’ franchise-player role to Paul George.

Granger recently returned after a nine-month hiatus caused by a knee tendon injury.

“I think the biggest deal about it is the assumptions since I was coming back that there’d be a competition between us, when it’s actually the opposite,” Granger said. “The way he can break defenses down, the way he can create, I can just stand, catch and shoot, drive – it makes my job easier. He’s coming in at such a young age – he’s 22 now – I’m going to be 30 in a month and a half.

“I have no problem – I’ve been in the league eight years – I have no problem passing the mantle to him, to leave the team to Roy (Hibbert) and George.

“My whole team I watched get drafted. I’ve watched all of them grow. So I have no problem passing the mantle. At all.”

Granger has helped foster a true team environment.

“Sometimes on NBA teams you’ve got guys competing with each other,” Granger said. “That’s the thing about our team. We compete against the other team. Whoever’s scoring, whoever’s playing, whoever’s passing the ball, whoever’s doing whatever, we’re rooting for that person. I think Frank Vogel, he did a good job of instilling that in all of us. Play for your teammates.

Since returning from injury on Jan. 1, Stoudemire has come off the bench for the Knicks, and his usage in the closing minutes of games has been sporadic.

Stoudemire hit 9 of 10 shots against the Sixers on Sunday. But he was on the bench for the final 8:36 due in part because of his shortcomings on defense. He left the game with the Knicks up by 13 points.

Stoudemire said he was fine with being on the bench because the Knicks walked off the floor with a win.

"Whatever the coaching staff needs me to do, I'm there to answer the call," he said.

tkf wrote:

vdfebduderocks wrote:dolan's a dumbass more than a douchebag...

exactly, to hint at this guy being "decent" is way off, if you ask me...

and none of those things reflects on the type of man Dolan is. Did he sexually harass anyone? Did he have sex with the interns. Your on a bit of a high horse TK

DurzoBlint wrote:oh, and lets not talk about how Isiah filled that team with a bunch of thugs and malcontents that eventually hurt the team and embarrassed the ENTIRE league. Lets not act like the grass is so incredibly green over there.

And to call Dolan a douchebag really shows your bias TK. The guy may not be the best NBA owner in the world but, he has always come across as a decent guy. You know I have always respect you as a poster but, I think you may be a bit too emotionally invested.

You're standing up for Dolan? Seriously?

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:used to be "born on thrid base thinking he hit a triple"!

Now its a HR!

Soon its, "born thinking he hit a wall off grand slam!"

none of which makes him the bad, awful person people make him out to be. Other than the feeling of fans who live their lives through their hero's, the man hasn't hurt or mistreated anyone to my knowledge. Call him a terrible owner but, the personal attacks are not justified.

What personal attacks? First off I was just having fun with the quote on this thread.

Lets talk about owners who are basically type A very wealthy guys and most are not bad people. Sterling the owner of the clips has some bad rep from his real estate biz but not to many owners I can think of are "bad people". They are successful and powerful people and usually in the public eye.

Since Jimmy took over the team has not had a level of success and if I might be consistant just let his record stand on its own.

Given the resources spend on this roster I'd say he has been an object failure. The way things are handled under his watch is a good syllabus for a business class on mismanagement.

He is has not murdered anyone but he is on record as having substance problems, named in a sexual harassment suit, and has shown to have poor buisness skills relating to the knicks. Very strange media policies as well.

A good owner might not be a good person but has a record of success. Jimmy has no such counterbalance. Both Rangers and Knicks under Dave Checketts succeeded. Dolan has financially succeeded which is good for shareholders but our stance here is as fans of the knicks.

that's not the post we're talking about. He's been called a douche bag, sleazy and worse here. I just think it's over the top to put things like that out there. True, true he has mismanaged the team and presided on some of the worst moments in franchise history but, blaming him for the Sex scandal and Steph having sex with interns like someone did here earlier is bizarre.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:used to be "born on thrid base thinking he hit a triple"!

Now its a HR!

Soon its, "born thinking he hit a wall off grand slam!"

none of which makes him the bad, awful person people make him out to be. Other than the feeling of fans who live their lives through their hero's, the man hasn't hurt or mistreated anyone to my knowledge. Call him a terrible owner but, the personal attacks are not justified.

What personal attacks? First off I was just having fun with the quote on this thread.

Lets talk about owners who are basically type A very wealthy guys and most are not bad people. Sterling the owner of the clips has some bad rep from his real estate biz but not to many owners I can think of are "bad people". They are successful and powerful people and usually in the public eye.

Since Jimmy took over the team has not had a level of success and if I might be consistant just let his record stand on its own.

Given the resources spend on this roster I'd say he has been an object failure. The way things are handled under his watch is a good syllabus for a business class on mismanagement.

He is has not murdered anyone but he is on record as having substance problems, named in a sexual harassment suit, and has shown to have poor buisness skills relating to the knicks. Very strange media policies as well.

A good owner might not be a good person but has a record of success. Jimmy has no such counterbalance. Both Rangers and Knicks under Dave Checketts succeeded. Dolan has financially succeeded which is good for shareholders but our stance here is as fans of the knicks.

that's not the post we're talking about. He's been called a douche bag, sleazy and worse here. I just think it's over the top to put things like that out there. True, true he has mismanaged the team and presided on some of the worst moments in franchise history but, blaming him for the Sex scandal and Steph having sex with interns like someone did here earlier is bizarre.

I don't disagree with your logic. Dolan was defensive about Isiah and the sleeze that oozed in the Isiah era. As the leader who condoned the environment it took a very public lawsuit and testimony to shut it down. In fact, had they just paid off Anucha it would not have damaged Isiah or MSG. To actually defend the suite was in itself a stupid act unto itself!