3G4G wrote:The new CBA does not target Big Market teams what about the small market teams who end up in the lottery often and have to pay those high dollar salary slots for unproven talent?

Grunny has not proven anything Crush except put us in position to desperately look for washed up marginal talent that's high risk shrinking the window at an alarming rate, he also puts us in immediate position to bid against the market to keep talent such as Copeland and Prigoni should they play another season. We also stand the chance to not have a solid core that plays together year after year, you know like most CONTENDING teams do because of roster shuffle. He's clearly overpaid for 3 players currently on the roster signed this summer.

VCoug wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

VCoug wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

VCoug wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:New CBA just means bad deals get spread more evenly. Also makes Draft picks more valuable.

The best part is it makes extensions less appealing. So guys should hit FA more often. I think it will work out better for large market teams.

Probably, by creating stricter and stricter luxury taxes the NBA will potentially separate the haves and have-nots even more. Teams like the Knicks, Lakers, Nets, and maybe the Celtics, Bulls, and Heat should be able to pay the stricter taxes without much problem while other teams, like the Thunder and Spurs, that might have been able to afford the old luxury tax will find it much more difficult to afford the new ones. If the NBA wants more parity like in the NFL then they need to institute a hard cap instead of a luxury tax but that would almost definitely require non-guaranteed contracts for the players which the Union will almost definitely, and understandable, never agree to.

i think the hope is the fear of tax payments will force parity. teams will unload guys they may not otherwise have turned out. we shall see how teams like the spurs handle things and other teams go as cba impacts start to arrive. knicks, thunder, grizzzzzles already traded or passed up on guys cuz of tax implications and the kings perhaps did so in a more silly manner due to pending sale.

i agree that this will put tons more pressure to have a solid FO. you cant afford to make too many mistakes without getting stuck with possibly a huge bill and poor results. draft cuz o the rookie scale will make doing well there a premium.

I understand that's what the NBA is hoping but, I believe, the Lakers, Knicks, and Nets at least make enough money themselves and their owners have enough money that they won't care about the increasing for teams over the luxury tax.

the knicks already claimed to not sign lin cuz of the tax hit. it may be a case by case basis for who they may take the hit on. however if a FO thinks a team isnt in position to make a run, they probably will make efforts to avoid the tax. also note tax paying teams get more restrictions on fa signings, s&t's.

I know they claimed that but I don't believe it. We'll know better after this coming offseason; if we trade/sell our 1st round pick and don't use our MLE then we'll know for sure that Dolan is afraid of paying the tax.

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

VCoug wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

VCoug wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:New CBA just means bad deals get spread more evenly. Also makes Draft picks more valuable.

The best part is it makes extensions less appealing. So guys should hit FA more often. I think it will work out better for large market teams.

Probably, by creating stricter and stricter luxury taxes the NBA will potentially separate the haves and have-nots even more. Teams like the Knicks, Lakers, Nets, and maybe the Celtics, Bulls, and Heat should be able to pay the stricter taxes without much problem while other teams, like the Thunder and Spurs, that might have been able to afford the old luxury tax will find it much more difficult to afford the new ones. If the NBA wants more parity like in the NFL then they need to institute a hard cap instead of a luxury tax but that would almost definitely require non-guaranteed contracts for the players which the Union will almost definitely, and understandable, never agree to.

i think the hope is the fear of tax payments will force parity. teams will unload guys they may not otherwise have turned out. we shall see how teams like the spurs handle things and other teams go as cba impacts start to arrive. knicks, thunder, grizzzzzles already traded or passed up on guys cuz of tax implications and the kings perhaps did so in a more silly manner due to pending sale.

i agree that this will put tons more pressure to have a solid FO. you cant afford to make too many mistakes without getting stuck with possibly a huge bill and poor results. draft cuz o the rookie scale will make doing well there a premium.

I understand that's what the NBA is hoping but, I believe, the Lakers, Knicks, and Nets at least make enough money themselves and their owners have enough money that they won't care about the increasing for teams over the luxury tax.

the knicks already claimed to not sign lin cuz of the tax hit. it may be a case by case basis for who they may take the hit on. however if a FO thinks a team isnt in position to make a run, they probably will make efforts to avoid the tax. also note tax paying teams get more restrictions on fa signings, s&t's.

I know they claimed that but I don't believe it. We'll know better after this coming offseason; if we trade/sell our 1st round pick and don't use our MLE then we'll know for sure that Dolan is afraid of paying the tax.

I think the caution is in regards to year 3 of the new cba. So the MLE might be used but it might be a two year deal. Knicks can't trade or sell their pick. Not sure how long after the draft they need to wait before they could move it.

My guess would be any player looking at signing the MLE would be looking to sign for longer than 1 year; if we sign a player to the MLE this offseason a 2 year contract would last through Lin's poison pill year and any player we sign the Summer of 2014 would affect that year. We can trade/sell our 1st rounder after the season is over. Also, I forgot to mention JR's player option next year. I always thought that he signed the contract this past Summer with the expectation that he would opt out this year and NY would resign him to a fairer contract this Summer.

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

VCoug wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

VCoug wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:New CBA just means bad deals get spread more evenly. Also makes Draft picks more valuable.

The best part is it makes extensions less appealing. So guys should hit FA more often. I think it will work out better for large market teams.

Probably, by creating stricter and stricter luxury taxes the NBA will potentially separate the haves and have-nots even more. Teams like the Knicks, Lakers, Nets, and maybe the Celtics, Bulls, and Heat should be able to pay the stricter taxes without much problem while other teams, like the Thunder and Spurs, that might have been able to afford the old luxury tax will find it much more difficult to afford the new ones. If the NBA wants more parity like in the NFL then they need to institute a hard cap instead of a luxury tax but that would almost definitely require non-guaranteed contracts for the players which the Union will almost definitely, and understandable, never agree to.

i think the hope is the fear of tax payments will force parity. teams will unload guys they may not otherwise have turned out. we shall see how teams like the spurs handle things and other teams go as cba impacts start to arrive. knicks, thunder, grizzzzzles already traded or passed up on guys cuz of tax implications and the kings perhaps did so in a more silly manner due to pending sale.

i agree that this will put tons more pressure to have a solid FO. you cant afford to make too many mistakes without getting stuck with possibly a huge bill and poor results. draft cuz o the rookie scale will make doing well there a premium.

I understand that's what the NBA is hoping but, I believe, the Lakers, Knicks, and Nets at least make enough money themselves and their owners have enough money that they won't care about the increasing for teams over the luxury tax.

the knicks already claimed to not sign lin cuz of the tax hit. it may be a case by case basis for who they may take the hit on. however if a FO thinks a team isnt in position to make a run, they probably will make efforts to avoid the tax. also note tax paying teams get more restrictions on fa signings, s&t's.

I know they claimed that but I don't believe it. We'll know better after this coming offseason; if we trade/sell our 1st round pick and don't use our MLE then we'll know for sure that Dolan is afraid of paying the tax.

I think the caution is in regards to year 3 of the new cba. So the MLE might be used but it might be a two year deal. Knicks can't trade or sell their pick. Not sure how long after the draft they need to wait before they could move it.

My guess would be any player looking at signing the MLE would be looking to sign for longer than 1 year; if we sign a player to the MLE this offseason a 2 year contract would last through Lin's poison pill year and any player we sign the Summer of 2014 would affect that year. We can trade/sell our 1st rounder after the season is over. Also, I forgot to mention JR's player option next year. I always thought that he signed the contract this past Summer with the expectation that he would opt out this year and NY would resign him to a fairer contract this Summer.

I think the Knicks have JR's early bird rights. Not sure what they will do with him but it seems like they need to keep him.

They do which means he'll probably be looking for a raise.

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

VCoug wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

VCoug wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:New CBA just means bad deals get spread more evenly. Also makes Draft picks more valuable.

The best part is it makes extensions less appealing. So guys should hit FA more often. I think it will work out better for large market teams.

Probably, by creating stricter and stricter luxury taxes the NBA will potentially separate the haves and have-nots even more. Teams like the Knicks, Lakers, Nets, and maybe the Celtics, Bulls, and Heat should be able to pay the stricter taxes without much problem while other teams, like the Thunder and Spurs, that might have been able to afford the old luxury tax will find it much more difficult to afford the new ones. If the NBA wants more parity like in the NFL then they need to institute a hard cap instead of a luxury tax but that would almost definitely require non-guaranteed contracts for the players which the Union will almost definitely, and understandable, never agree to.

i think the hope is the fear of tax payments will force parity. teams will unload guys they may not otherwise have turned out. we shall see how teams like the spurs handle things and other teams go as cba impacts start to arrive. knicks, thunder, grizzzzzles already traded or passed up on guys cuz of tax implications and the kings perhaps did so in a more silly manner due to pending sale.

i agree that this will put tons more pressure to have a solid FO. you cant afford to make too many mistakes without getting stuck with possibly a huge bill and poor results. draft cuz o the rookie scale will make doing well there a premium.

I understand that's what the NBA is hoping but, I believe, the Lakers, Knicks, and Nets at least make enough money themselves and their owners have enough money that they won't care about the increasing for teams over the luxury tax.

the knicks already claimed to not sign lin cuz of the tax hit. it may be a case by case basis for who they may take the hit on. however if a FO thinks a team isnt in position to make a run, they probably will make efforts to avoid the tax. also note tax paying teams get more restrictions on fa signings, s&t's.

I know they claimed that but I don't believe it. We'll know better after this coming offseason; if we trade/sell our 1st round pick and don't use our MLE then we'll know for sure that Dolan is afraid of paying the tax.

I think the caution is in regards to year 3 of the new cba. So the MLE might be used but it might be a two year deal. Knicks can't trade or sell their pick. Not sure how long after the draft they need to wait before they could move it.

My guess would be any player looking at signing the MLE would be looking to sign for longer than 1 year; if we sign a player to the MLE this offseason a 2 year contract would last through Lin's poison pill year and any player we sign the Summer of 2014 would affect that year. We can trade/sell our 1st rounder after the season is over. Also, I forgot to mention JR's player option next year. I always thought that he signed the contract this past Summer with the expectation that he would opt out this year and NY would resign him to a fairer contract this Summer.

I think the Knicks have JR's early bird rights. Not sure what they will do with him but it seems like they need to keep him.

They do which means he'll probably be looking for a raise.

And the Knicks will most likely pay HUGE tax penalties for JR’s new contract, while claiming that they are very concern about it. GO FIGURE THAT OUT.
The Knicks can officially trade their first rounder after making the selection (for them or for other team) on draft night.