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Syniko
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2/23/2013  7:19 PM
Felton and Kidd are both ineffective.

Can you just imagine if Lin were still with us. He doesn't even have to shoot. His defense and passing ability is amazing. Of course on top of that, Lin could crank it up every now and then and go off his nuts.

I lost count over how many great passes he sends Omer's way and Omer screws it up.

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2/23/2013  7:41 PM
Syniko wrote:Felton and Kidd are both ineffective.

Can you just imagine if Lin were still with us. He doesn't even have to shoot. His defense and passing ability is amazing. Of course on top of that, Lin could crank it up every now and then and go off his nuts.

I lost count over how many great passes he sends Omer's way and Omer screws it up.

Lin took the money and ran. Nothing wrong with that but there is a new cba and Morey knew the Knicks couldn't match his offer.
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2/23/2013  7:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/23/2013  7:45 PM
MS wrote:Just evaluate this team on what you see. 14-15 in their last 29 games. Fans are really fooling themselves thinking Wallace, Camby and K Mart are going to make the difference down the stretch.

We can't rebound or defend our goal, so with these guys taking some of the load off we will have our time.

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2/24/2013  11:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2013  11:44 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Syniko wrote:Felton and Kidd are both ineffective.

Can you just imagine if Lin were still with us. He doesn't even have to shoot. His defense and passing ability is amazing. Of course on top of that, Lin could crank it up every now and then and go off his nuts.

I lost count over how many great passes he sends Omer's way and Omer screws it up.

Lin took the money and ran. Nothing wrong with that but there is a new cba and Morey knew the Knicks couldn't match his offer.

The Knicks couldn't match Lin's offer? You are one funny guy, the Knicks own his early bird's right, they could and should have match it.

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2/24/2013  11:57 AM
Lin isnt that dam good.

Plus the guys knee broke down. If Lin saw any significant downtime the Knicks would have been screwed.

If we had Isiah Thomas as GM we probably would have matched but those days are over.

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2/24/2013  12:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2013  12:07 PM
KnicksFE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Syniko wrote:Felton and Kidd are both ineffective.

Can you just imagine if Lin were still with us. He doesn't even have to shoot. His defense and passing ability is amazing. Of course on top of that, Lin could crank it up every now and then and go off his nuts.

I lost count over how many great passes he sends Omer's way and Omer screws it up.

Lin took the money and ran. Nothing wrong with that but there is a new cba and Morey knew the Knicks couldn't match his offer.

The Knicks couldn't match Lin's offer? You are one funny guy, the Knicks own his early bird's right, they could and should have match it.

Wrong. He never earned nor deserved his contract and/or asking price. Not with our Knicks he didn't.

He's nothing more than a player in which A.) played a whopping 26 games before B.) Getting hurt. C.) Missing our final 22 games. D.) Sitting out the playoffs at 85% and E.) (My belief is) He sat out at 85% due to being fearful of becoming exposed against an elite Miami Heat team in order to get his offseason payday (which he did).

A player who played a whopping 26 games, got hurt, missed the final 22 games while sitting out against a conference Rival during postseason play at 85% health doesn't deserve a contract that's now worth $25,123,938 during the next 3 years.

He doesn't deserve that contract. He most def didn't earn it with our Knicks. He was sleeping on a piece of furniture before our Knicks. Never earned it. As of right now his Rockets are the 8th seed and could be on the verge of missing the postseason. Lets first see how Jeremy Lin can perform during the postseason against defenses in which are designed to stop him before making him out to be some type of 25 million dollar baller.

Everyone talks about Lin's nice little 7 game win streak during "Linsanity". They ignore and/or fail to mention how we also lost 6 consecutive under Jeremy Lin. A whopping record of 15-10 during games in which Lin started. After Lin went down for the final 17 games of the regular season? Our Knicks went 12-5 WITHOUT Jeremy Lin.

Wake me up when this 3rd year NBA player finally leads his team to the postseason or better yet, plays an actual NBA Playoff Game without being too hurt to compete at 85%.

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2/24/2013  12:09 PM
there's a pretty good chance they'll be in the playoffs this year.
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2/24/2013  12:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2013  12:16 PM
knickscity wrote:there's a pretty good chance they'll be in the playoffs this year.

Nah, I don't see it. Houston's only gone 10-13 during their last 23 games as a current 8th seed while only being up 3 games on the Lakers. Both the Lakers and Mavs are heating up with Dallas only being 4 back of Houston. Unless Houston can storm up into the 6th seed, I see no chance in hell they're able to hold off both the Lakers and now the Mavs.

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2/24/2013  12:15 PM
knickscity wrote:there's a pretty good chance they'll be in the playoffs this year.

Maybe, maybe not. Lakers getting their act together (7-3 in last 10).

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2/24/2013  12:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2013  12:18 PM
markvmc wrote:
knickscity wrote:there's a pretty good chance they'll be in the playoffs this year.

Maybe, maybe not. Lakers getting their act together (7-3 in last 10).

Don't forget about Dallas either. Dirk has missed more than half the season thus far, but now Dirk and the Mavs are starting to roll. 3 consecutive wins while only being 4 games back of Houston.

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2/24/2013  12:18 PM
Yeah, dogfight looming in the West.
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2/24/2013  12:22 PM
markvmc wrote:Yeah, dogfight looming in the West.

And I personally, don't believe, as a starting PG with zero postseason experience, that Lin is battle tested enough to make it through an up coming slugfest. Kobe and the Lakers along with Dirk and the Mavs will both pass Houston before postseason play.

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2/24/2013  12:37 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
markvmc wrote:Yeah, dogfight looming in the West.

And I personally, don't believe, as a starting PG with zero postseason experience, that Lin is battle tested enough to make it through an up coming slugfest. Kobe and the Lakers along with Dirk and the Mavs will both pass Houston before postseason play.


That's very possible, but regardless they are doing way better than expected, I personally wouldn't worry so much about them.

The Knicks on the other hands are 'ship or bust...bust is more likely.

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2/24/2013  12:42 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Syniko wrote:Felton and Kidd are both ineffective.

Can you just imagine if Lin were still with us. He doesn't even have to shoot. His defense and passing ability is amazing. Of course on top of that, Lin could crank it up every now and then and go off his nuts.

I lost count over how many great passes he sends Omer's way and Omer screws it up.

Lin took the money and ran. Nothing wrong with that but there is a new cba and Morey knew the Knicks couldn't match his offer.

The Knicks couldn't match Lin's offer? You are one funny guy, the Knicks own his early bird's right, they could and should have match it.

Wrong. He never earned nor deserved his contract and/or asking price. Not with our Knicks he didn't.

He's nothing more than a player in which A.) played a whopping 26 games before B.) Getting hurt. C.) Missing our final 22 games. D.) Sitting out the playoffs at 85% and E.) (My belief is) He sat out at 85% due to being fearful of becoming exposed against an elite Miami Heat team in order to get his offseason payday (which he did).

A player who played a whopping 26 games, got hurt, missed the final 22 games while sitting out against a conference Rival during postseason play at 85% health doesn't deserve a contract that's now worth $25,123,938 during the next 3 years.

He doesn't deserve that contract. He most def didn't earn it with our Knicks. He was sleeping on a piece of furniture before our Knicks. Never earned it. As of right now his Rockets are the 8th seed and could be on the verge of missing the postseason. Lets first see how Jeremy Lin can perform during the postseason against defenses in which are designed to stop him before making him out to be some type of 25 million dollar baller.

Everyone talks about Lin's nice little 7 game win streak during "Linsanity". They ignore and/or fail to mention how we also lost 6 consecutive under Jeremy Lin. A whopping record of 15-10 during games in which Lin started. After Lin went down for the final 17 games of the regular season? Our Knicks went 12-5 WITHOUT Jeremy Lin.

Wake me up when this 3rd year NBA player finally leads his team to the postseason or better yet, plays an actual NBA Playoff Game without being too hurt to compete at 85%.

YOU ARE ONE CLUELESS GUY, there is a reason why teams have scouting departments and that’s to evaluate players present skills and future potential, most young players get pay for both (not just current production, That’s how Harden got paid MAX MONEY even though he was coming off the bench on OKC)
If you are going to judge players only on their current NBA production than I guess ALL NBA rookies should get pay minimum salaries since they haven’t done s**t at the NBA level.
YOUR NYK MENTALITY is exactly why we end up with so many past their prime veterans, we rewarded them for their past production, even though that was long ago and for other teams.

As far as the Rockets being the 8th seed, guess what? If the Knicks were in the Western conference they would be the 5th seed with a chance of slipping to the 6 seed tonight, that’s just show you how tough that conference is, remember that Charlotte and Orlando play in the East, not in the WEST.

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2/24/2013  12:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2013  12:58 PM
knickscity wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
markvmc wrote:Yeah, dogfight looming in the West.

And I personally, don't believe, as a starting PG with zero postseason experience, that Lin is battle tested enough to make it through an up coming slugfest. Kobe and the Lakers along with Dirk and the Mavs will both pass Houston before postseason play.


That's very possible, but regardless they are doing way better than expected,

Are you kidding me? Better than expected?!? Last year Houston went 34-32 (two games above .500) and that was WITHOUT an American Gold Medalist Olympian in James Harden who's now being paid a boat load of money over the next 6 years along with a media built up elite PG in Jeremy Lin.

You go 34-32 the season before, before actually landing a star in Harden, a very good Center in Asik along with a so called up and coming PG in Jeremy Lin? And they've only gone 4 games above .500 thus far? Nah my dude. You have it reversed. They are underachieving.

If they were only looking to play at 2-4 games above .500 here in 2012-2013? They were much better off keeping Goran Dragic, Kyle Lowry, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Samuel Dalembert before paying out James Harden, Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik. They are failing right now, and failing big time under Lin, Harden and Asik. They were supposed to be much better when compared to last season. But they aren't.

Come 2014-2015? Lin is due $14,898,938. Harden is due $14,693,906 and Asik is due $14,898,938. That's a laughing stock joke. That's a combined 44,491,782 in salary come 2014-2015 for players that's only led their team to an 8th seed, a potential postseason miss along with only 4 games above .500? And you're talking as if they've done better than expected? Too funny.

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2/24/2013  1:02 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
markvmc wrote:Yeah, dogfight looming in the West.

And I personally, don't believe, as a starting PG with zero postseason experience, that Lin is battle tested enough to make it through an up coming slugfest. Kobe and the Lakers along with Dirk and the Mavs will both pass Houston before postseason play.


That's very possible, but regardless they are doing way better than expected,

Are you kidding me? Better than expected?!? Last year Houston went 34-32 (two games above .500) and that was WITHOUT an American Gold Medalist Olympian in James Harden who's now being paid a boat load of money over the next 6 years along with a media built up elite PG in Jeremy Lin.

You go 34-32 the season before, before actually landing a star in Harden, a very good Center in Asik along with a so called up and coming PG in Jeremy Lin? And they've only gone 4 games above .500 thus far? Nah my dude. You have it reversed. They are underachieving.

If they were only looking to play at 2-4 games above .500 here in 2012-2013? They were much better off keeping Goran Dragic, Kyle Lowry, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Samuel Dalembert before paying out James Harden, Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik. They are failing right now, and failing big time under Lin, Harden and Asik. They were supposed to be much better when compared to last season. But they aren't.

Come 2014-2015? Lin is due $14,898,938. Harden is due $14,693,906 and Asik is due $14,898,938. That's a laughing stock joke. That's a combined 44,491,782 in salary come 2014-2015 for players that's only led their team to an 8th seed, a potential postseason miss along with only 4 games above .500? And you're talking as if they've done better than expected? Too funny.

I'm speechless, I can really tell NYKMentality don’t follow the NBA much.

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2/24/2013  4:49 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
markvmc wrote:Yeah, dogfight looming in the West.

And I personally, don't believe, as a starting PG with zero postseason experience, that Lin is battle tested enough to make it through an up coming slugfest. Kobe and the Lakers along with Dirk and the Mavs will both pass Houston before postseason play.


That's very possible, but regardless they are doing way better than expected,

Are you kidding me? Better than expected?!? Last year Houston went 34-32 (two games above .500) and that was WITHOUT an American Gold Medalist Olympian in James Harden who's now being paid a boat load of money over the next 6 years along with a media built up elite PG in Jeremy Lin.

You go 34-32 the season before, before actually landing a star in Harden, a very good Center in Asik along with a so called up and coming PG in Jeremy Lin? And they've only gone 4 games above .500 thus far? Nah my dude. You have it reversed. They are underachieving.

If they were only looking to play at 2-4 games above .500 here in 2012-2013? They were much better off keeping Goran Dragic, Kyle Lowry, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Samuel Dalembert before paying out James Harden, Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik. They are failing right now, and failing big time under Lin, Harden and Asik. They were supposed to be much better when compared to last season. But they aren't.

Come 2014-2015? Lin is due $14,898,938. Harden is due $14,693,906 and Asik is due $14,898,938. That's a laughing stock joke. That's a combined 44,491,782 in salary come 2014-2015 for players that's only led their team to an 8th seed, a potential postseason miss along with only 4 games above .500?

In 2014-15 we owe $23M to Melo and Amare and $14M to Tyson, three players that only led their team to a 7th seed.

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2/24/2013  5:57 PM
KnicksFE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Syniko wrote:Felton and Kidd are both ineffective.

Can you just imagine if Lin were still with us. He doesn't even have to shoot. His defense and passing ability is amazing. Of course on top of that, Lin could crank it up every now and then and go off his nuts.

I lost count over how many great passes he sends Omer's way and Omer screws it up.

Lin took the money and ran. Nothing wrong with that but there is a new cba and Morey knew the Knicks couldn't match his offer.

The Knicks couldn't match Lin's offer? You are one funny guy, the Knicks own his early bird's right, they could and should have match it.

Glad you think I am funny. The ramifications of the new cba can be seen with many of the moves and non moves being done. Harden and Gay were traded from championship contenders to avoid salary cap fines. Writers were bemoaning the lack of trades to cover because of the new cba. Bucher just wrote an article about how the Heat will not be able to keep their big three in place for the life of their contracts with the new cba but the Knicks could have kept Lin?
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2/24/2013  6:23 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Syniko wrote:Felton and Kidd are both ineffective.

Can you just imagine if Lin were still with us. He doesn't even have to shoot. His defense and passing ability is amazing. Of course on top of that, Lin could crank it up every now and then and go off his nuts.

I lost count over how many great passes he sends Omer's way and Omer screws it up.

Lin took the money and ran. Nothing wrong with that but there is a new cba and Morey knew the Knicks couldn't match his offer.

The Knicks couldn't match Lin's offer? You are one funny guy, the Knicks own his early bird's right, they could and should have match it.

Glad you think I am funny. The ramifications of the new cba can be seen with many of the moves and non moves being done. Harden and Gay were traded from championship contenders to avoid salary cap fines. Writers were bemoaning the lack of trades to cover because of the new cba. Bucher just wrote an article about how the Heat will not be able to keep their big three in place for the life of their contracts with the new cba but the Knicks could have kept Lin?

I understand the ramification of the new CBA, Gay, Harden and the Big three in Miami are all MAX MONEY TYPE PLAYERS, Lin WAS NOT, so there is a difference. Remember at one point the Knicks were trying to trade for Nash and were willing to give him close to 30 million dollars, so I don’t think they were so concern about salary cap penalties, that was just an excuse the Knicks gave to justify a poor decision.
Wait for the summer when the Knicks resign JR and give him a multiyear deal, how concern about cap penalties they will be than?

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2/24/2013  6:27 PM
KnicksFE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Syniko wrote:Felton and Kidd are both ineffective.

Can you just imagine if Lin were still with us. He doesn't even have to shoot. His defense and passing ability is amazing. Of course on top of that, Lin could crank it up every now and then and go off his nuts.

I lost count over how many great passes he sends Omer's way and Omer screws it up.

Lin took the money and ran. Nothing wrong with that but there is a new cba and Morey knew the Knicks couldn't match his offer.

The Knicks couldn't match Lin's offer? You are one funny guy, the Knicks own his early bird's right, they could and should have match it.

Glad you think I am funny. The ramifications of the new cba can be seen with many of the moves and non moves being done. Harden and Gay were traded from championship contenders to avoid salary cap fines. Writers were bemoaning the lack of trades to cover because of the new cba. Bucher just wrote an article about how the Heat will not be able to keep their big three in place for the life of their contracts with the new cba but the Knicks could have kept Lin?

I understand the ramification of the new CBA, Gay, Harden and the Big three in Miami are all MAX MONEY TYPE PLAYERS, Lin WAS NOT, so there is a difference. Remember at one point the Knicks were trying to trade for Nash and were willing to give him close to 30 million dollars, so I don’t think they were so concern about salary cap penalties, that was just an excuse the Knicks gave to justify a poor decision.
Wait for the summer when the Knicks resign JR and give him a multiyear deal, how concern about cap penalties they will be than?

Not an excuse. Lin is due just under 15 mil in his third year, essentially max money. Morey knew what he was doing and knew that it would be almost impossible for the Knicks to match.
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