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2/23/2013  4:04 PM
Pablo has been one of the bright spots many times and he gets the end of the bench:?

Martin starting? That's very Woody, sign a guy and immediately start him.

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2/23/2013  4:28 PM
smackeddog wrote:According to hoops hype rumours, Omri Casspi is about to be bought out, and wants to go to Memphis or Houston. is he any good? I remember we were interested in him a few years ago. Would he be worth adding to the lineup?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/casspom01.html

Looks like his rookie year was his best and it's been downhill ever since. Still, he's only 24 and was considered pretty talented at one point; definitely worth a look and I wouldn't mind cutting either Copeland or White to give this guy a shot.

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2/24/2013  11:14 AM
The bottom line--JR Smith is our only true NBA 2 guard. This team needs a true 4 and a 2. We dont need the 4 to score big points. Amare should not be the starter--no way. Not becuase he isnt the teams 2nd best player--because he is--but it gives us the balance that right now Mike Woodson is not getting. Shumpert and Prigioni are not guys who are core 9 guys right now. Move Copeland into the 2nd unit and just leave him there. That gives Amare a spread floor with Novak and Copeland with Kidd at back up PG.. Moving Kidd to back up PG also puts pressure on Felton to play a tad bit more efficient.


Guys Shumpert is not the answer this year---neither is moving amare to starting 4.

again core 9

c-Tyson
f-martin
f-melo
g-smith
g fleton
6thman c/pf amare
F Novak
F Copeland
G Kidd

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2/24/2013  11:21 AM
Our record with Amare coming off the bench isn't exactly great. I don't think it can get worse by starting him
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2/24/2013  11:21 AM
White has proven to be utterly useless. Copeland has been decent but he is old and what you see is what you get.
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2/24/2013  11:22 AM
BRIGGS wrote:The bottom line--JR Smith is our only true NBA 2 guard. This team needs a true 4 and a 2. We dont need the 4 to score big points. Amare should not be the starter--no way. Not becuase he isnt the teams 2nd best player--because he is--but it gives us the balance that right now Mike Woodson is not getting. Shumpert and Prigioni are not guys who are core 9 guys right now. Move Copeland into the 2nd unit and just leave him there. That gives Amare a spread floor with Novak and Copeland with Kidd at back up PG.. Moving Kidd to back up PG also puts pressure on Felton to play a tad bit more efficient.


Guys Shumpert is not the answer this year---neither is moving amare to starting 4.

again core 9

c-Tyson
f-martin
f-melo
g-smith
g fleton
6thman c/pf amare
F Novak
F Copeland
G Kidd

I liked what playa posted about Prigioni, I would plau him ahead of Kidd. Kidd was he victim of a bait and switch by the Knicks when they got him here to mentor Lin and then saddled him with Chicken Biscuit. Plus, he has lost a more than a couple fo steps. I still think he is valuable in tough situations and playoffs -especially to close out games with the first unit when Felton would simple get exposed and he still plays defense.

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2/24/2013  11:49 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Our record with Amare coming off the bench isn't exactly great. I don't think it can get worse by starting him

Amare is not a problem. Hes played well in the 2nd unit. He can dominate tired starters or 2nd unit players while keeping his minutes down and keeping him healthy. Forcing him into unit 1 will put more pressure on his legs to defend against tier 1 nba players.

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2/24/2013  11:50 AM
loweyecue wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The bottom line--JR Smith is our only true NBA 2 guard. This team needs a true 4 and a 2. We dont need the 4 to score big points. Amare should not be the starter--no way. Not becuase he isnt the teams 2nd best player--because he is--but it gives us the balance that right now Mike Woodson is not getting. Shumpert and Prigioni are not guys who are core 9 guys right now. Move Copeland into the 2nd unit and just leave him there. That gives Amare a spread floor with Novak and Copeland with Kidd at back up PG.. Moving Kidd to back up PG also puts pressure on Felton to play a tad bit more efficient.


Guys Shumpert is not the answer this year---neither is moving amare to starting 4.

again core 9

c-Tyson
f-martin
f-melo
g-smith
g fleton
6thman c/pf amare
F Novak
F Copeland
G Kidd

I liked what playa posted about Prigioni, I would plau him ahead of Kidd. Kidd was he victim of a bait and switch by the Knicks when they got him here to mentor Lin and then saddled him with Chicken Biscuit. Plus, he has lost a more than a couple fo steps. I still think he is valuable in tough situations and playoffs -especially to close out games with the first unit when Felton would simple get exposed and he still plays defense.

Bottom line Kidd was brought here to be a back up---I would trust J kidd any day of the week over prgioni lets be real. We havent seen Kidd play back up PG.

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2/24/2013  12:04 PM
Kidd should NOT be playing at all. Hes a shell of himself

Amare is not a good player anymore. I even think his low post play has been overated ...even thouh its improved. His problem is his defense is horribl.e i only feel comfy playing amare if we play zone defense (same with novak)

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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2/24/2013  3:52 PM
We need a consistent lineup more than anything IMO. All this shuffling makes it harder to develop a cohesive unit. Once the rotation is more or less set I believe we'll see a better product.
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2/24/2013  4:29 PM
GustavBahler wrote:We need a consistent lineup more than anything IMO. All this shuffling makes it harder to develop a cohesive unit. Once the rotation is more or less set I believe we'll see a better product.

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2/24/2013  5:02 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Shump and his agent, Happy Walters, probably not happy with the Knicks

Agents shouldn't have any say with what happens in the team- Seems like the Knicks get stuck in
that often- David Falk-you in the 90's and Unhappy Walters now

If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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2/24/2013  7:18 PM
Kenyon Martin is our BEST DEF PF that is not injured

He is the most mobile, best foot work, combination of speed/athleticism/IQ is the best shot blocker outside of Camby/Chandler

I hope he get's the opportunity to team up with Chandler and have multiplied effect with the INTENSITY of the team defense
Much like how Jeffries and Chandler were the anchor's of last year's DEFENSE during Lin's run along with a healthy Iman/Lin
Chandler really has not gotten any HELP this season whether to play with him or when to sub in for him
I believe Martin could elevate our defense much like how Jeffries did
He averaged nearly 1 block and 1 steal last year on limited minutes in addition to his rebound's and defense
Although somewhat undersized but very strong and mobile/athletic he can deflect shot's for help defense or sacrifice his body for charges *something we have no been doing since the start of the season*
His energy/hustle along with his toughness demands DEFENSE at all times and he will call other's out if they are not giving the same effort

Offensively, he know's his limits, and he
He sets good pick's off the ball, makes timely cuts/ability to finish, can hit the 12 footer
We also need much more transition bucket's as Martin would stabilize our rebounding for more opportunities and have the ability to finish

We loss Brewer who I think we will miss in a playoff's matchup and he never got a chance to play with a healthy Iman with another PF since Wallace/Camby went down
Although I think Wallace/Camby are closer to Center's, they can play limited minutes at PF with Chandler at times

We still need a G such as Jannero Pargo
Have him play Kidd's role as he recovers and get's healthy for play offs
We need that 2nd ball handler/facilitator/3pt shooter/defender/ more importantly he can DEFEND PG's better than anyone on our roster

I think JR Smith is our best DEFENSE when focused that can use his size/length/athleticism on PG's, a position that has been killing us the past few months
He also need's to just PENETRATE once he catches the ball because it open's thing's up for our team, as we do not have many player's outside of Felton and Melo at PF that has the ability to do so
I really think we should consider starting JR Smith given our need for another G defender, ball handler, and 3point shooting

Don't worry about needing scoring of our bench like earlier in the season, we have been medicore for month's now and we must stop the bleeding...
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2/24/2013  8:25 PM
Im not as high on kmart as u...to me hes 6 hard fouls and another big
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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2/25/2013  12:36 PM
I think we need a lineup change starting Wednesday. But I think STAT should still be coming off the bench to relieve Tyson. That works nicely and it keeps both of them Fresh. If needed, close the game out with the big 3 front court of Tyson/STAT/Melo. JR should start. We'll need Kidd down the stretch and in the playoffs. He's lost all confidence in his shot, but I don't think he played terribly against Philly. Played good D, rebounded, etc. He just needs less minutes for now. And Prig's plays well so he should have more time at PG:

Tyson/STAT/Sheed/Camby
Melo/STAT/K-Mart/Sheed
JR/Novak/Shump
Shump/Kidd/JR
Felton/Prigs/Kidd

I don't think the starting lineup has been as bad as perceived. But Kidd needs the rest...physically and mentally.
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2/25/2013  12:48 PM
Man, I usually agree with Briggs's posts, but I don't at all with this one. Kidd, IMO, is no longer a point guard. Not quick enough or athletic enough to get where he wants with the ball (and forget about his defense on quick 1's). He is still valuable at the "2", even when he's shooting like Chris Dudley, because he's so smart, tough and still finds a way to get to loose balls better than all the young-uns. I'd like to see him play 10 - 15 mins a game with the hope that the shot will come back with less physical stress and then we can up his minutes come playoffs.

As for Iman, I agree he's hurting us now. But I think our only chance at a real play-off run is him getting back to where he was last year -- or close to it. Whatever we can do to increase the odds of that happening, we should do. I wouldn't give up on him for the year though. He really doesn't look that bad physically. If he got his swagger back, I think he could help us right now -- and he's got a couple of months to get better.
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2/25/2013  12:52 PM
bernard wrote:Man, I usually agree with Briggs's posts, but I don't at all with this one. Kidd, IMO, is no longer a point guard. Not quick enough or athletic enough to get where he wants with the ball (and forget about his defense on quick 1's). He is still valuable at the "2", even when he's shooting like Chris Dudley, because he's so smart, tough and still finds a way to get to loose balls better than all the young-uns. I'd like to see him play 10 - 15 mins a game with the hope that the shot will come back with less physical stress and then we can up his minutes come playoffs.

As for Iman, I agree he's hurting us now. But I think our only chance at a real play-off run is him getting back to where he was last year -- or close to it. Whatever we can do to increase the odds of that happening, we should do. I wouldn't give up on him for the year though. He really doesn't look that bad physically. If he got his swagger back, I think he could help us right now -- and he's got a couple of months to get better.

I think Shump looks a lot better recently. His shots aren't really falling, but he's being aggressive on D. I was surprised Novak had all those minutes in the 4th last night over Shump. Novak is pretty useless out there when he's not hitting open looks.
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2/25/2013  1:05 PM
BRIGGS wrote:C-Tyson Chandler
F-Kenyon Martin
F Carmelo Anthony
G JR Smith
G Ray Felton
C Amare stoudemire
F Steve Novak
G Chris Copeland
G Jason Kidd


Im done with Pablo and Shumpert. Move Jason to the position where we got him for back up 1 guard. Install JR Smith into starting lineup--tell him to STFU play hard and smart. Amare new best 6th man in basketball. Shumpert is not ready for NBA basketball right now. Send him to the league to rehab the NBA starting unit is no place for a rehabbing 2nd year player--hes done. Copeleand is a good energy player and thats a good role for him unt-it two with Amare in th post and Novak at the other wing.

This line up is our only chance to turn it. Please enough with Shumpert and pablo they both suck and put Kidd into the position he came here for. Its pretty easy I think we can change things with this line up.


I don't put that much emphasis on starting line-ups --- but agree our current starting line-up isn't really producing.

I don't like the idea of starting KMART right now --- I'd actually like to see him play with Amare - though I would like to see us go bigger in the starting line-up (Sheed?).

I'd move Shump to the bench and just bring him in as an energizer bunny to defend and pick up the energy --- this will take some pressure off him. I don't view J-Kidd as a pg any longer --- he doesn't handle ball-pressure well at this point in his career and having to assume significant ball-handling resposibility will absolutely kill his 3-point shot permanently.

Until Sheed returns I'd go with this line-up.

Chandler, Melo, White, Kidd & Felton

I'd go with Pablo, Shump, JR, KMART & STAT as my 2nd unit.

The only spot I might tinker with is trying JR at starting SG and moving Kidd to 2nd unit. Kidd really looks for the #1 scorer and it would be nice to force feed Amare when he's on court without Melo.
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