BRIGGS wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Its mental with this team.

have you seen Iman Shumpert move? Not ready in anyway physical
Have you seen jason Kid move and shoot--its not mental--hes done.

Have you seen rasheed wallace or Camby out there--nope they are done.

That was a big risk getting 40 year old players.

Its not mental its physical.

1+what Briggs said

DurzoBlint wrote:

helloharv wrote:well they are pretty much right.

I have never seen a team that when things start going bad --- THEY GO REALLY BAD

Spurs game and last night were prime examples

Not just that, they (especially Melo) constantly complain and look for the ref's to bail them out. Just man up, deal with the lack of calls and keep it moving. Seriously, in all my years, I've never seen a player make a difference by complaining to the ref's. Not like they are going to change the call.

I remember in one game Tyson saying to the ref, "I promise, I didn't foul him." I thought it was the craziest thing and was like, WTF are you joking Chandler. Did he really believe his PROMISE would make a difference.

Man up and play through it.

it's simple as that,

when you're the best player on the court you set the tone for the rest of the team,

so it goes as the big kahuna goes,

****ty team as constructed,

i wonder if donnie walsh will be alive in 3 or 4 years so that he can save us again

TeamBall wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:they are crybabies and this stems from the leader, carmelo anthony

it's simple as that,

when you're the best player on the court you set the tone for the rest of the team,

so it goes as the big kahuna goes,

****ty team as constructed,

i wonder if donnie walsh will be alive in 3 or 4 years so that he can save us again

God as if it wasnt annoying enough seeing you repeat the same **** over and over again in the game thread yesterday. Melo has a lot he needs to change right now but you cant blame everything on him.

yea, you can,

that's how the world works,

when you get the big promotion at work for the big money, the big position and the decision making responsibility, you take the fall when **** hits the fan,

best player on the court has a lot of responsibility,

for whatever reason, melo can't handle this,

you get sick of me saying this? look around, everyone is saying this in one way or another,

**** just got real, TeamBall

IronWillGiroud wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:they are crybabies and this stems from the leader, carmelo anthony

it's simple as that,

when you're the best player on the court you set the tone for the rest of the team,

so it goes as the big kahuna goes,

****ty team as constructed,

i wonder if donnie walsh will be alive in 3 or 4 years so that he can save us again

God as if it wasnt annoying enough seeing you repeat the same **** over and over again in the game thread yesterday. Melo has a lot he needs to change right now but you cant blame everything on him.

yea, you can,

that's how the world works,

when you get the big promotion at work for the big money, the big position and the decision making responsibility, you take the fall when **** hits the fan,

best player on the court has a lot of responsibility,

for whatever reason, melo can't handle this,

you get sick of me saying this? look around, everyone is saying this in one way or another,

**** just got real, TeamBall

no, on this team, with 2 max players, it's on the max players, mostly on Melo though because he's the shining star of Jimmy Dolan's twinkle eyes

TeamBall wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:you can't throw away the idea of hierarchy when it suits your transitory hot flash in the pan opinions,

many fans wanted the big money star, well, he gets the 20$million for a reason,

but when you get that 20$million, there is the other side to it, that the blame goes directly to you first and everyone else second,

no one can wish this idea away

With you the blame goes to no one 2nd. It starts and ends with Melo. I believe he should get a majority of the blame when we're losing cause he got the majority of it during our hot start. But you're acting as if once he stops whining and chucking up bad shots, JRs gonna stop, Kidds gonna turn back the clock again, Woodys actually gonna implement offensive schemes, etc.

no maybe it won't eradicate all bad habits in an instant,

but it's about stamping your character on the rest of the team so that over one season, over two over 5 over 10 years, the team takes on the demeanor of its best player,

melo lacks two things: first, the necessary character that a championship team requires and, second, the ability to impart his vision to a group of men

jazz74 wrote:did they also mentioned why melo and stat were laughing it up during the blow out? that infuriates me more. you dont see that with lebron or kobe! that is the difference between winners and losers.

Yea I saw that and posted on it on Wed night. It was bad, it looked bad. Hey I am a great fan of Melo but watching that and how he is leading this team or not leading make me wonder. I blame Woodson more than the team. He still refuse to change the starting line up and these guys play like they never played defense in thier life. LeBron or Kobe would never do that. Melo better wake up or this will be his last big pay contract. I don't blame Melo but I would expect for him to help fix it. Only time will tell. I still support Melo. I hope he don't disappoint me.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:you can't throw away the idea of hierarchy when it suits your transitory hot flash in the pan opinions,

many fans wanted the big money star, well, he gets the 20$million for a reason,

but when you get that 20$million, there is the other side to it, that the blame goes directly to you first and everyone else second,

no one can wish this idea away

With you the blame goes to no one 2nd. It starts and ends with Melo. I believe he should get a majority of the blame when we're losing cause he got the majority of it during our hot start. But you're acting as if once he stops whining and chucking up bad shots, JRs gonna stop, Kidds gonna turn back the clock again, Woodys actually gonna implement offensive schemes, etc.

no maybe it won't eradicate all bad habits in an instant,

but it's about stamping your character on the rest of the team so that over one season, over two over 5 over 10 years, the team takes on the demeanor of its best player,

melo lacks two things: first, the necessary character that a championship team requires and, second, the ability to impart his vision to a group of men

jrodmc wrote:Wow, NY media critical of the Knicks. Imagine that.

What a difference losing makes. Nobody was whining at the refs during the first two months of the season?

Well said
true very true

I am so disappointed in their mental makeup and their attitudes when guys get pushed around
Not used to it , none of us here on forum as knicks fans from them 90's & early Y2k Knicks roster teams