tkf wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Why don't you hate the blind 20% who line Dolan's pockets when he creates mediocre teams?

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (+1 more)

to infinity and beyond!!!

Agree, alpha to omega

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Why don't you hate the blind 20% who line Dolan's pockets when he creates mediocre teams?

its called fandom Bonn and we all know that the very notion itself requires you to embrace a bit of insanity so, why would we or anyone expect fans to makes sens or be logical

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Why don't you hate the blind 20% who line Dolan's pockets when he creates mediocre teams?

its called fandom Bonn and we all know that the very notion itself requires you to embrace a bit of insanity so, why would we or anyone expect fans to makes sens or be logical

because otherwise they're part of the problem that's lining Dolan's pockets.

not to mention it's impossible to have a rational dialogue. i don't have to embrace the fanatical part of fandom until the team's proper direction, style of play, and substantive winning compels me to.

there is nothing compelling about this team and you can trace it back to two years ago to the day, with a nice ten-game stretch at the beginning of this season to the short-lived illusion.

i'm "not a real fan?"

how about this: "the knicks are not a real team"

So why are you a fan?

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Why don't you hate the blind 20% who line Dolan's pockets when he creates mediocre teams?

its called fandom Bonn and we all know that the very notion itself requires you to embrace a bit of insanity so, why would we or anyone expect fans to makes sens or be logical

because otherwise they're part of the problem that's lining Dolan's pockets.

not to mention it's impossible to have a rational dialogue. i don't have to embrace the fanatical part of fandom until the team's proper direction, style of play, and substantive winning compels me to.

there is nothing compelling about this team and you can trace it back to two years ago to the day, with a nice ten-game stretch at the beginning of this season to the short-lived illusion.

i'm "not a real fan?"

how about this: "the knicks are not a real team"

So why are you a fan?

I went Knicks cos of Ewing, Starks, Oak, Riley etc and the fact they won 50+ every year and got deep in the playoffs

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Why don't you hate the blind 20% who line Dolan's pockets when he creates mediocre teams?

its called fandom Bonn and we all know that the very notion itself requires you to embrace a bit of insanity so, why would we or anyone expect fans to makes sens or be logical

because otherwise they're part of the problem that's lining Dolan's pockets.

not to mention it's impossible to have a rational dialogue. i don't have to embrace the fanatical part of fandom until the team's proper direction, style of play, and substantive winning compels me to.

there is nothing compelling about this team and you can trace it back to two years ago to the day, with a nice ten-game stretch at the beginning of this season to the short-lived illusion.

i'm "not a real fan?"

how about this: "the knicks are not a real team"

So why are you a fan?

you have it backwards:

THE ONUS IS ON THEM TO BE A REAL TEAM FIRST.

dk7th wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Why don't you hate the blind 20% who line Dolan's pockets when he creates mediocre teams?

its called fandom Bonn and we all know that the very notion itself requires you to embrace a bit of insanity so, why would we or anyone expect fans to makes sens or be logical

because otherwise they're part of the problem that's lining Dolan's pockets.

not to mention it's impossible to have a rational dialogue. i don't have to embrace the fanatical part of fandom until the team's proper direction, style of play, and substantive winning compels me to.

there is nothing compelling about this team and you can trace it back to two years ago to the day, with a nice ten-game stretch at the beginning of this season to the short-lived illusion.

i'm "not a real fan?"

how about this: "the knicks are not a real team"

So why are you a fan?

you have it backwards:

THE ONUS IS ON THEM TO BE A REAL TEAM FIRST.

Agreed. Some guys don't like us long term fans complaining.

Expressing yourself is key. Being a Fan is not being fanatic. I think the fanatics here got that backwards.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Why don't you hate the blind 20% who line Dolan's pockets when he creates mediocre teams?

its called fandom Bonn and we all know that the very notion itself requires you to embrace a bit of insanity so, why would we or anyone expect fans to makes sens or be logical

because otherwise they're part of the problem that's lining Dolan's pockets.

not to mention it's impossible to have a rational dialogue. i don't have to embrace the fanatical part of fandom until the team's proper direction, style of play, and substantive winning compels me to.

there is nothing compelling about this team and you can trace it back to two years ago to the day, with a nice ten-game stretch at the beginning of this season to the short-lived illusion.

i'm "not a real fan?"

how about this: "the knicks are not a real team"

So why are you a fan?

Most of us became fans in the 90s or earlier. You can't just consciously pick a new team.

Sure you can. I mean if you hate the owner, dislike our best player and constantantly complain after every loss and every win what kind of fan does that make a person?

earthmansurfer wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Why don't you hate the blind 20% who line Dolan's pockets when he creates mediocre teams?

its called fandom Bonn and we all know that the very notion itself requires you to embrace a bit of insanity so, why would we or anyone expect fans to makes sens or be logical

because otherwise they're part of the problem that's lining Dolan's pockets.

not to mention it's impossible to have a rational dialogue. i don't have to embrace the fanatical part of fandom until the team's proper direction, style of play, and substantive winning compels me to.

there is nothing compelling about this team and you can trace it back to two years ago to the day, with a nice ten-game stretch at the beginning of this season to the short-lived illusion.

i'm "not a real fan?"

how about this: "the knicks are not a real team"

So why are you a fan?

you have it backwards:

THE ONUS IS ON THEM TO BE A REAL TEAM FIRST.

Agreed. Some guys don't like us long term fans complaining.

Expressing yourself is key. Being a Fan is not being fanatic. I think the fanatics here got that backwards.

That's exactly what the term fan is! Fan=Fanatic!!!!! Some of you are fanatical about biatchin and moaning.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NYY1NYK2 wrote:If we win or lose all you guys do is bitch and moan

Yes it is frustrating to watch this team sometimes but thats part of sports, you win some, you lose some.
Yes we got destroyed by the pacers, but then again 2 weeks ago the pacers beat Miami AGAIN,chicago,atlanta,and philly it doesnt mean we suck, it means they are playing really good right now.
Clippers went 17-0 in december then start january with 2 back to back loses, one by 18, the next by 21, you dint hear them asking for vinny del negros head

It happens.

Now yes we have GLARING weaknesses, but one thing I have learned is NO ONE IS UNTOUCHABLE

I love shumpert, but if someone throws u a pick and a solid player, he's gone.
Redick for shumpert is not good, dudley for shumpert is ehh

Prigioni impressive passer, but doesnt score to save his mothers life.

If you can get pieces for amare, GOODBYE!

Copeland....let the kid play. He's not the next jordan, but he can score, and if you can score and can hit the 3, ppl have to play defense on him

Ronnie brewer is worthless if he's not D-ing someone. If woodson would let him play D, he would have some value. I remember when we had him on lebron earlier in the season, some of you guys were ready to name ur next child ronnie.

Camby or sheed......if you cant stay on the court I could care less what you've achieved in the past. We need those roster spots.

Dude..it's been 13 years since we've gotten out of the 1st round.

We've consistently had amongst the highest payrolls in the league and for a good decade or so this was WITHOUT making the playoffs for a solid decade followed by ROYAL ass whoopings from Miami and Boston. Yeah we had injuries and lost to great teams but we barely put up any kind of fight.

Other than when Donnie Walsh came in at no point were we one of those teams that had a low payroll but promising young players just waiting to grow together. Other than that pre-Melo team at no point could we shrug off losses like the one last night and say "oh well we're a young team and we're learning from this"

Fans are supposed to root for the team to win and care about the team. In my mind everyone who is still crazy enough to spend time watching the Knicks, rooting for them, pissing and moaning about them and checking some internet forum about them is probably amongst the most (stupidly) diehard fans in the Knicks fan base.

I don't see where anyone declared that as fans you have to always have positive feelings about a team regardless of the circumstances.

You think fans of any other team (other than maybe the Royals) is going to put up with a DECADE + of high payrolls AND losing AND what is universally viewed by anyone who follows sports as clumsy management and have a sunny disposition? You show me that fan base.

We're still watching the games and obviously care very much about the team and are praying that they find a way to win.

If you can withstand what's happened with this team since 2000 and still be upbeat then I commend you but I am absolutely mindboggled that you don't understand why people would criticize ownership/management/coaching/players.

If a true fan is someone who can do that and all the other mere mortals are just "fans" then I guess I'm just a so-called "fan" Shame on me?

kinda surprised no one said 'cheers' for this post. i think its this for me and probably others. if this team picks it up (there is still time), folks will forgive and partially move on. didnt like dantoni, curry, marbury, etc -- however... if they would have won, i would have had no probs if they remained.

folks seem to be worried the bad ol days are coming back despite talent upgrades.

sidsanders wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NYY1NYK2 wrote:If we win or lose all you guys do is bitch and moan

Yes it is frustrating to watch this team sometimes but thats part of sports, you win some, you lose some.
Yes we got destroyed by the pacers, but then again 2 weeks ago the pacers beat Miami AGAIN,chicago,atlanta,and philly it doesnt mean we suck, it means they are playing really good right now.
Clippers went 17-0 in december then start january with 2 back to back loses, one by 18, the next by 21, you dint hear them asking for vinny del negros head

It happens.

Now yes we have GLARING weaknesses, but one thing I have learned is NO ONE IS UNTOUCHABLE

I love shumpert, but if someone throws u a pick and a solid player, he's gone.
Redick for shumpert is not good, dudley for shumpert is ehh

Prigioni impressive passer, but doesnt score to save his mothers life.

If you can get pieces for amare, GOODBYE!

Copeland....let the kid play. He's not the next jordan, but he can score, and if you can score and can hit the 3, ppl have to play defense on him

Ronnie brewer is worthless if he's not D-ing someone. If woodson would let him play D, he would have some value. I remember when we had him on lebron earlier in the season, some of you guys were ready to name ur next child ronnie.

Camby or sheed......if you cant stay on the court I could care less what you've achieved in the past. We need those roster spots.

Dude..it's been 13 years since we've gotten out of the 1st round.

We've consistently had amongst the highest payrolls in the league and for a good decade or so this was WITHOUT making the playoffs for a solid decade followed by ROYAL ass whoopings from Miami and Boston. Yeah we had injuries and lost to great teams but we barely put up any kind of fight.

Other than when Donnie Walsh came in at no point were we one of those teams that had a low payroll but promising young players just waiting to grow together. Other than that pre-Melo team at no point could we shrug off losses like the one last night and say "oh well we're a young team and we're learning from this"

Fans are supposed to root for the team to win and care about the team. In my mind everyone who is still crazy enough to spend time watching the Knicks, rooting for them, pissing and moaning about them and checking some internet forum about them is probably amongst the most (stupidly) diehard fans in the Knicks fan base.

I don't see where anyone declared that as fans you have to always have positive feelings about a team regardless of the circumstances.

You think fans of any other team (other than maybe the Royals) is going to put up with a DECADE + of high payrolls AND losing AND what is universally viewed by anyone who follows sports as clumsy management and have a sunny disposition? You show me that fan base.

We're still watching the games and obviously care very much about the team and are praying that they find a way to win.

If you can withstand what's happened with this team since 2000 and still be upbeat then I commend you but I am absolutely mindboggled that you don't understand why people would criticize ownership/management/coaching/players.

If a true fan is someone who can do that and all the other mere mortals are just "fans" then I guess I'm just a so-called "fan" Shame on me?

kinda surprised no one said 'cheers' for this post. i think its this for me and probably others. if this team picks it up (there is still time), folks will forgive and partially move on. didnt like dantoni, curry, marbury, etc -- however... if they would have won, i would have had no probs if they remained.

folks seem to be worried the bad ol days are coming back despite talent upgrades.

THANK YOU!