nixluva wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:We get ISO Melo because guys arent making shots. Plain and simple. Dudes want to overthink this. Woodson is trying to win games.If ISO Melo is adding to wins we will roll with that. D'Antoni cared more about his system than winning.

Why are you bringing up MDA? This has nothing to do with him. Woody has been in charge and this is really not working. You can bash MDA all you want but this team was winning early this year when it was running MDA's style of BB, with Ball and Player movement, PnR and a spread floor. It can't be denied what was working and what isn't working now.

This team needs everyone to touch the ball and for everyone to be active in every play, not standing around watching a player go ISO. That style of ball with less ball and player movement SUCKS. When the ball was moving we got WIDE OPEN shots.

nixluva wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:We get ISO Melo because guys arent making shots. Plain and simple. Dudes want to overthink this. Woodson is trying to win games.If ISO Melo is adding to wins we will roll with that. D'Antoni cared more about his system than winning.

Why are you bringing up MDA? This has nothing to do with him. Woody has been in charge and this is really not working. You can bash MDA all you want but this team was winning early this year when it was running MDA's style of BB, with Ball and Player movement, PnR and a spread floor. It can't be denied what was working and what isn't working now.

This team needs everyone to touch the ball and for everyone to be active in every play, not standing around watching a player go ISO. That style of ball with less ball and player movement SUCKS. When the ball was moving we got WIDE OPEN shots.

The starters are still somewhat playing the same way. The team had the pick and roll, feltons penetration and kick out, and Melo's iso that would either be a one on one play and a kick out because of a double. The Knicks still do that.

I'm not interested in halfassed execution! What i'm talking about is quick and sharp execution of sets. Read and react to the defense with good passing and moving without the ball. What the Knicks have been doing is a lame halfhearted attempt at going thru the motions on their sets. There's no energy on either side of the floor!

As for the way they run their sets, you do have a point. I saw the Knicks run one play this game and they ran it so half assed it just resulted in a 3 point chuck. Other than that one play, the Knicks run nothing.

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:We get ISO Melo because guys arent making shots. Plain and simple. Dudes want to overthink this. Woodson is trying to win games.If ISO Melo is adding to wins we will roll with that. D'Antoni cared more about his system than winning.

Why are you bringing up MDA? This has nothing to do with him. Woody has been in charge and this is really not working. You can bash MDA all you want but this team was winning early this year when it was running MDA's style of BB, with Ball and Player movement, PnR and a spread floor. It can't be denied what was working and what isn't working now.

This team needs everyone to touch the ball and for everyone to be active in every play, not standing around watching a player go ISO. That style of ball with less ball and player movement SUCKS. When the ball was moving we got WIDE OPEN shots.

The starters are still somewhat playing the same way. The team had the pick and roll, feltons penetration and kick out, and Melo's iso that would either be a one on one play and a kick out because of a double. The Knicks still do that.

I'm not interested in halfassed execution! What i'm talking about is quick and sharp execution of sets. Read and react to the defense with good passing and moving without the ball. What the Knicks have been doing is a lame halfhearted attempt at going thru the motions on their sets. There's no energy on either side of the floor!

I was responding to your notion that the Knicks went away from what they were doing earlier in the season. They're still more or less playing the same way its just that other teams have adjusted to it.

As for the way they run their sets, you do have a point. I saw the Knicks run one play this game and they ran it so half assed it just resulted in a 3 point chuck. Other than that one play, the Knicks run nothing.

Part of the skill of BB is to use misdirection and get the D to move where you want them to go, so you can open up the basket. The Knicks were doing that, but for a while now they have been playing lazy and forcing the ball with ISO plays for Melo, JR and STAT. That leads to poor shots for the role players on the team. No open 3's, just forced contested or rushed 3's. That's not how this team was playing. It's real simple. You PASS the ball and MOVE until you get the highest % shot. That's what it's all about. That's how they were playing. That's why the Knicks had the #1 offense in the league early on.

MSG was showing clips from Knicks Bowl and all JR and Felton were talking about is how bowling is like shooting a 3

Vmart wrote:I blame the three ball for lack of ball movement. Anyone can jack up a three when ever they want.

I know you guys hate to hear it, but you have to face it after last night debacle.

This team goes in the direction Melo goes, when he played consistent on both ends of the court....the team won. He's the real coach behind the scenes and nobody is talking about it , but George Karl. Melo got no votes for the lack of ball movement, but George Karl got two....go figure.

JamesLin wrote:

playa2 wrote:
And here I thought it was a players league.

They just fired Billy Hunter. It's not a players league. Owners still control everything.

Owners aren't on the sideline or in the game, it's still a players league. They still have the power to get coaches fired by not performing, just look down the street in Brooklyn.

playa2 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I blame the three ball for lack of ball movement. Anyone can jack up a three when ever they want.

I know you guys hate to hear it, but you have to face it after last night debacle.

This team goes in the direction Melo goes, when he played consistent on both ends of the court....the team won. He's the real coach behind the scenes and nobody is talking about it , but George Karl. Melo got no votes for the lack of ball movement, but George Karl got two....go figure.

There was one play that bothered me the most about last nights game. It was early 1st quarter. Melo jacks up a three and misses back tap and ball is back in Melo's hand after missing a three you would think he would go to the rack but what does he do, he jacks another three. No plays run, I mean you got a full shot clock. There is this crazy stat with the Knicks that when they hit 11+ threes they have a ridiculous record but when they don't they almost always lose. Talk about living a dying by the three.