Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:ared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling
Melo suffered a contusion on his right arm. Was bothering him all game. He said his play in the All-Star Game is in question

It never ceases to amaze me guys that are hurt especially with hand/arm/shoulder problems still manage to put up high volume of shots based on minutes played. If his arm was hurting that bad I would have expected more hockey assists facilitation on his part.

Speaking of which when is the last time we talked in depth about Melo's hockey assists?

good question..

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ
I asked Melo why he kept shooting if his right arm was numb. He answered, then said, "You'd have to be a shooter to understand."

Translation: You have to be clueless about the difference between good and bad shots to understand.

Melo had a handfull of open looks that he would normally knock down that spun out, not to mention several times I though he got hit while taking it to the hole, but didn't get the benefit of the whistle tonight. But when you have an agenda, its hard to understand....

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:ared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling
Melo suffered a contusion on his right arm. Was bothering him all game. He said his play in the All-Star Game is in question

It never ceases to amaze me guys that are hurt especially with hand/arm/shoulder problems still manage to put up high volume of shots based on minutes played. If his arm was hurting that bad I would have expected more hockey assists facilitation on his part.

Speaking of which when is the last time we talked in depth about Melo's hockey assists?

good question..

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ
I asked Melo why he kept shooting if his right arm was numb. He answered, then said, "You'd have to be a shooter to understand."

Translation: You have to be clueless about the difference between good and bad shots to understand.

Melo had a handfull of open looks that he would normally knock down that spun out, not to mention several times I though he got hit while taking it to the hole, but didn't get the benefit of the whistle tonight. But when you have an agenda, its hard to understand....

Agenda is just a lazy word. What does it mean to not have an agenda?

About as lazy as some of these posters cut and paste posts after loses.

Those that do not have an agenda post objectively and offer unbiased thoughts on the team and certain players. You've been here long enough to know the posters who were vehemently upset that we added Melo to this team. These are the same posters that show up in game threads after losses or subpar games by him to tear him apart, then are nowhere to be found when we win and Melo has a really good game. If you dont see this, then.......

They are on vacation. DO I agree with it? No! Should a team that wants to win a championship do it? No.
A championship team would find a way to win that kind of ugly game.

Would the Spurs do it? Not likely.

All that being said, NY shot the ball about as bad as you can as a pro's. Missed FT's and missed layups!

Bonn1997 wrote:It's ironic you mentioned objectivity since DK and I post objective statistical evidence more than anyone else on this site.
What do you mean by objectivity then? And what qualifies you to assess it?

I've managed to do the same except not focus in on any 1-2 particular metric. Uptown simply wants no negative talk in wake of a loss but here's the kicker some of us complain even when we win because we see troublesome things that could turn into a loss the next game.

Such as Melo's mental approach to the game.....being hurt(which he'd have a legitimate reason to fall back in a game) doesn't jive with his insincere early season statements that he's sick and tired of trying to score 35-40pts/gm to win. Now his team is more at full strength.... he's not 100% in a game yet since "HE'S A SHOOTER" notice he didn't say "I'M A DEFENDER or TWO-WAY PLAYER" then he still tries to score 35-40pts regardless.

I also see the agenda with posters that anytime he has a very inefficient game it's because the refs showed no love, or it was because he was on a fruits and veggies diet, or because he can turn it off and on when he wants, or Woodson coached a bad game, or fill in the blanks....

^^^^^^^^^^^AGENDA MUCH!

Bonn1997 wrote:It's ironic you mentioned objectivity since DK and I post objective statistical evidence more than anyone else on this site.
What do you mean by objectivity then? And what qualifies you to assess it?

Didn't know one needed a specialty degree to make a basic observation......

gunsnewing wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:ared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling
Melo suffered a contusion on his right arm. Was bothering him all game. He said his play in the All-Star Game is in question

It never ceases to amaze me guys that are hurt especially with hand/arm/shoulder problems still manage to put up high volume of shots based on minutes played. If his arm was hurting that bad I would have expected more hockey assists facilitation on his part.

Speaking of which when is the last time we talked in depth about Melo's hockey assists?

good question..

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ
I asked Melo why he kept shooting if his right arm was numb. He answered, then said, "You'd have to be a shooter to understand."

Sigh...
If your arm is bothering (hurting) you all game and your shot isn't falling, why not change your game some and try to work on setting others up and being a "decoy"? You don't shoot your way through contusions. Don't mean to be critical, but that quote sort of irks me.
Come on Melo, get back to that smart play of earlier in the year. Critical part of the schedule coming up, we need the head back in the game.

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's ironic you mentioned objectivity since DK and I post objective statistical evidence more than anyone else on this site.
What do you mean by objectivity then? And what qualifies you to assess it?

Didn't know one needed a specialty degree to make a basic observation......

earthmansurfer wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:ared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling
Melo suffered a contusion on his right arm. Was bothering him all game. He said his play in the All-Star Game is in question

It never ceases to amaze me guys that are hurt especially with hand/arm/shoulder problems still manage to put up high volume of shots based on minutes played. If his arm was hurting that bad I would have expected more hockey assists facilitation on his part.

Speaking of which when is the last time we talked in depth about Melo's hockey assists?

good question..

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ
I asked Melo why he kept shooting if his right arm was numb. He answered, then said, "You'd have to be a shooter to understand."

Sigh...
If your arm is bothering (hurting) you all game and your shot isn't falling, why not change your game some and try to work on setting others up and being a "decoy"? You don't shoot your way through contusions. Don't mean to be critical, but that quote sort of irks me.
Come on Melo, get back to that smart play of earlier in the year. Critical part of the schedule coming up, we need the head back in the game.

This is not exclusive to Melo either. I remember for almost 1 and a half seasons fans made excuses for Toney Douglas. Remember supposedly he had a bad neck/shoulder problem...matter of fact he spent 1 off-season getting surgery but did that stop Douglas from chucking prior to his procedure....NOPE!

It's like come on if you're hurting you don't get "at a boy" pts for shelling out bad performances crutching this excuse in spite of injury. You either should adjust your game or better yet take yourself out of the game or don't play. There's wisdom LIN not playing games if you're only 85% or less.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's ironic you mentioned objectivity since DK and I post objective statistical evidence more than anyone else on this site.
What do you mean by objectivity then? And what qualifies you to assess it?

Didn't know one needed a specialty degree to make a basic observation......

Who mentioned degrees? Or "basic observations"?
Did you mean to reply to someone else?

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's ironic you mentioned objectivity since DK and I post objective statistical evidence more than anyone else on this site.
What do you mean by objectivity then? And what qualifies you to assess it?

I've managed to do the same except not focus in on any 1-2 particular metric. Uptown simply wants no negative talk in wake of a loss but here's the kicker some of us complain even when we win because we see troublesome things that could turn into a loss the next game.

Such as Melo's metal approach to the game.....being hurt(which he'd have a legitimate reason to fall back in a game) doesn't jive with his insincere early season statements that he's sick and tired of trying to score 35-40pts/gm to win. Now his team is more at full strength.... he's not 100% in a game yet since "HE'S A SHOOTER" notice he didn't say "I'M A DEFENDER or TWO-WAY PLAYER" then he still tries to score 35-40pts regardless.

I also see the agenda with posters that anytime he has a very inefficient game it's because the refs showed no love, or it was because he was on a fruits and veggies diet, or because he can turn it off and on when he wants, or Woodson coached a bad game, or fill in the blanks....

^^^^^^^^^^^AGENDA MUCH!

Critical anaylisis of the team and individual players is fine. But lets scissor through the BS and get to the heart of the matter. There are certain posters that have made it personal (you know who I'm talking about) with Melo and its all negative all the time. The same ones that hated that he was added to the team are the same ones that either log-off when we win, or swipe backhanded compliements at Melo and when we lose, hijack each and every thread with redundancies....

I also see the agenda with posters that anytime he has a very inefficient game it's because the refs showed no love, or it was because he was on a fruits and veggies diet, or because he can turn it off and on when he wants, or Woodson coached a bad game, or fill in the blanks....

Here, I will fill in some blanks for you.....When we win, its not because of Melo, we win despite him, Jason Kidd is the real MVP of this team, if Melo is in the mvp 'scussion, then I'm gonna add the whole damn league in the 'scussion....[i]iso-melo.....and there is plenty of others

This is fictitious at best

I posted very little about the team/players after the Clippers Loss with exception to a few posts citing we're not real CONTENDERS more so Paper Champs....I did post more about other NBA related discussion trades and whatnot. I see the same for others. I posted more during our stretch of wins(not good play mind you)

Heck tkf is supposedly "Melo Hater Non Grata" he's talking more about the Rockets and Clipper game than what transpired between the Knicks/Raptors. So where are your true to post examples?

Matter of fact I did very little posting after last night's loss. I'm posting currently today not because we lost but because the best player on the team continues to say stupid ish in the press and has yet to stop.

I'm more than happy to discuss why Amar'e/Earl/Melo took 54FGA total while only racking up a whopping 3ast if you like to take some pressure off Melo.

Just give me the Go Ahead Uptown....

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's ironic you mentioned objectivity since DK and I post objective statistical evidence more than anyone else on this site.
What do you mean by objectivity then? And what qualifies you to assess it?

I've managed to do the same except not focus in on any 1-2 particular metric. Uptown simply wants no negative talk in wake of a loss but here's the kicker some of us complain even when we win because we see troublesome things that could turn into a loss the next game.

Such as Melo's metal approach to the game.....being hurt(which he'd have a legitimate reason to fall back in a game) doesn't jive with his insincere early season statements that he's sick and tired of trying to score 35-40pts/gm to win. Now his team is more at full strength.... he's not 100% in a game yet since "HE'S A SHOOTER" notice he didn't say "I'M A DEFENDER or TWO-WAY PLAYER" then he still tries to score 35-40pts regardless.

I also see the agenda with posters that anytime he has a very inefficient game it's because the refs showed no love, or it was because he was on a fruits and veggies diet, or because he can turn it off and on when he wants, or Woodson coached a bad game, or fill in the blanks....

^^^^^^^^^^^AGENDA MUCH!

Critical anaylisis of the team and individual players is fine. But lets scissor through the BS and get to the heart of the matter. There are certain posters that have made it personal (you know who I'm talking about) with Melo and its all negative all the time. The same ones that hated that he was added to the team are the same ones that either log-off when we win, or swipe backhanded compliements at Melo and when we lose, hijack each and every thread with redundancies....

I also see the agenda with posters that anytime he has a very inefficient game it's because the refs showed no love, or it was because he was on a fruits and veggies diet, or because he can turn it off and on when he wants, or Woodson coached a bad game, or fill in the blanks....

Here, I will fill in some blanks for you.....When we win, its not because of Melo, we win despite him, Jason Kidd is the real MVP of this team, if Melo is in the mvp 'scussion, then I'm gonna add the whole damn league in the 'scussion....[i]iso-melo.....and there is plenty of others

This is fictitious at best

I posted very little about the team/players after the Clippers Loss with exception to a few posts citing we're not real CONTENDERS more so Paper Champs....I did posts more about other NBA related discussion trades and whatnot. I see the same for others. I posted more during our stretch of wins(not good play mind you)

Heck tkf is supposedly "Melo Hater Non Grata" he's talking more about the Rockets and Clipper game than what transpired between the Knicks/Raptors. So where are your true to post examples?

Matter of fact I did very little posting after last night's loss. I'm posting currently today not because we lost but because the best player on the team continues to say stupid ish in the press and has yet to stop.

I'm more than happy to discuss why Amar'e/Earl/Melo took 54FGA total while only racking up a whopping 3ast if you like to take some pressure off Melo.

Just give me the Go Ahead Uptown....