AnubisADL wrote:What do you expect him to say? You guys are too much.

Nothing at all when it comes to team not making moves. He can say the team has Shumpert's support but to go as far as to say "don't make any trades".... he needs to ZIP IT!

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Same guy who forced us into giving up the players we wouldve won a championship with if he remained patient. If we stay the same well be 2nd round at best and out--simple.

With all the facts in hindsight to evaluate his opt out, lock out, and pending surgery (minor, but still its surgery) you still really think he and the franchise would have "remained patient"?

I would agree with you that could we have retained our assets for either play or trades it would have enriched us to title contenders but I just don't think it was viable.

Regarding his "make no trades" statement, was it in the form of a question? Its good locker room politics isn't it? NBA players running their mouth because media has to do their jobs.

When any one of us leave 20 mil+ on the table and do what is right for the company knowing your career is limited to x number of years then maybe we can say what Melo should have done..Not saying particularly u Nolad but this line of thinking keeps coming up like some here would actually have done it...

That is my point. He was going to the Nets. Melo had the leverage to have his cake and eat it too!

I'll give Dwight Howard credit this year, he is all in going free agent even with his bad shoulder and not quite 100% back.

But no lock out. Dwight did not opt out last year I would gather because of his back problems. he might not have known surgery was going to happen but his back hurt and its always possible.

If knicks wanted Melo there was a price to pay. they decided to pay it.

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:What do you expect him to say? You guys are too much.

Nothing at all when it comes to team not making moves. He can say the team has Shumpert's support but to go as far as to say "don't make any trades".... he needs to ZIP IT!

I'd rather Melo just go choke a bus. Or maybe concentrate on quitting on his coach. Or possibly keep his promises about scoring less and being more efficient as a human being. Next thing you know, he'll be talking about his need for Sheed. What an azz!

He needs to forget about his teammates, get his jaw wired shut, and concentrate all his mental power on forcing a trade back to Denver!

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:What do you expect him to say? You guys are too much.

Nothing at all when it comes to team not making moves. He can say the team has Shumpert's support but to go as far as to say "don't make any trades".... he needs to ZIP IT!

Really?

If he didn't respond to the question asked you would still be complaining.

Reporter: Do you think the Knicks need to make a trade?
Melo: No Comment

That would have went over smoothly.

At the end of the day everyone knows Grunwald is the GM. So anything Melo says is irrelevant.

If he said I don't want to trade. Shump. I get that. when he speaks like he owns the team. Not cool. He doesn't need to add in extra. We all know melo is great. He's an nbA superstar. Difference between him or. Jordan/Kobe iS those guys would be critical if need be as a leader. If they need more they would say it. Saying we're fine Is not leading. This is a good team but its been in a longer term decline and out pieces are breaking down. Kidd is not the same. Shumpert is not ready. Other guys can't even plAy. Be real then. Be quiet and let the gm do his job to improve the team

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:What do you expect him to say? You guys are too much.

Nothing at all when it comes to team not making moves. He can say the team has Shumpert's support but to go as far as to say "don't make any trades".... he needs to ZIP IT!

Really?

If he didn't respond to the question asked you would still be complaining.

Reporter: Do you think the Knicks need to make a trade?
Melo: No Comment

That would have went over smoothly.

At the end of the day everyone knows Grunwald is the GM. So anything Melo says is irrelevant.

Also if it's "WHAT WAS HE SUPPOSED TO SAY" bitchazzness excuse of a reply then why didn't Woody, you know "father figure" speak along the same lines as Melo?

Instead Woody says he wants Shump to stay but can't make any promises which means...

Hey we all love Shump but we gotta let Grunny Get It Dunny.... Sonnies

So I'd suggest some of you clean the corn off your eyes

Allanfan20 wrote:I am on the same boat as Carmello, at least when it comes to trading Shump for Dudley. It would be a stupid move.

Best to keep your mouth shut then. Apparently in this world, fan site posters can voice opinions, but million-dollar professional bitchazznesses shouldn't.

jrodmc wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:I am on the same boat as Carmello, at least when it comes to trading Shump for Dudley. It would be a stupid move.

Best to keep your mouth shut then. Apparently in this world, fan site posters can voice opinions, but million-dollar professional bitchazznesses shouldn't.

Everyone from Melo to Copeland has a right to voice an opinion on a trade. Why shouldn't they have a right? Everyone has a right to voice who they want to and don't want to work with IMO. Bashing Melo for this sounds odd to me.

Hopefully the Knicks listen. Trading Shump, who has a very high ceiling despite him struggling and not getting the ball much now, for a guy with a low ceiling that really isn't anyone special is not wise. This is stuff the Knicks used to do. Look at it like this: If the Knicks had this rumor on the very first day Shump came back (When they were in London) then I am willing to bet that basically all of you, with the exception of a couple of nuts, (Whose names I wont mention) would be mad that this rumor would even be out there.

And some of you really think that bringing Dudley for Shump would put us over the top, assuming we aren't there?

Y'all Cray cray. lol

toad wrote:Although I'm not a fan of trading Shump, it's best when Melo just keeps his mouth shut. The problem is he likes to think of himself as some sort of leader. He and his agency have a lot of influence, but he's no leader, and he has no idea about putting together a team. He wanted us to draft Josh Selby. We literally had to surround him with 40 yr olds because this guy has no leadership qualities. Leave the roster building to the GM.

LET GRUNNY WORK... LET HIM SERVE THAT WORK TO OTHER GMS MELO....CAN HE WORK...MELO LET HIM WORK

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Same guy who forced us into giving up the players we wouldve won a championship with if he remained patient. If we stay the same well be 2nd round at best and out--simple.

With all the facts in hindsight to evaluate his opt out, lock out, and pending surgery (minor, but still its surgery) you still really think he and the franchise would have "remained patient"?

I would agree with you that could we have retained our assets for either play or trades it would have enriched us to title contenders but I just don't think it was viable.

Regarding his "make no trades" statement, was it in the form of a question? Its good locker room politics isn't it? NBA players running their mouth because media has to do their jobs.

When any one of us leave 20 mil+ on the table and do what is right for the company knowing your career is limited to x number of years then maybe we can say what Melo should have done..Not saying particularly u Nolad but this line of thinking keeps coming up like some here would actually have done it...

you exaggerate it's closer to 15 million which would have been a 15% pay cut.

other players may have been willing to take a 15% pay cut to ensure a better chance at winning a title.

either melo likes money more than winning or he thought that the players that would be ex-knicks were not good enough to help him achieve the goal of winning a title and cementing his legacy.

or both.

god knows the majority of knick fans don't think much of the players we traded away but given how old this team is, breaking down, it may have been a strategic and critical error on melo's part.

yes the nuggets were not going to let melo walk for nothing. but it would have left walsh in an indomitable negotiating position where we would be giving up the bare minimum.

how can you guys nail down a $15-$20M number when it was a big unknown what the new CBA would be... or is this just all in hindsight?