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holfresh
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2/2/2013  4:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2013  4:59 PM
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of team that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

Well if u don't want to hear about injuries, how did the Bulls do last year against the Sixers??..First round KO..

I have seen in regular season games when teams match their intensity they do well ...Knicks never matched their intensity this season..Last year, Lin and Fields didn't pass the ball to Melo in the post...We would have won last year...
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2/2/2013  4:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2013  5:01 PM
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of team that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

they beat them because Rose and Noah went down and it was a very close fight going down to 7 rounds

Also Philly should be on the list because no one can predict what impact Bynum could give them by the play offs if they make it
I guess the same could be said about Granger and The Pacer's as well but some have them down already although Bynum's upside vs Granger's is great to Philly's advantage
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2/2/2013  5:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2013  5:06 PM
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of team that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

Well if u don't want to hear about injuries, how did the Bulls do last year against the Sixers??..First round KO..

I have seen in regular season games when teams match their intensity they do well ...Knicks never matched their intensity this season..Last year, Lin and Fields didn't pass the ball to Melo in the post...We would have won last year...

They lost....but it was known that Rose was hurt and went down with a season ending injury but he's coming back this year. My point is teams are challenged when they are injured but some show a difference in being incredibly competitive...WE DON'T/HAVEN'T.

Much like we anticipate Shmupert and Amar'e to be in rare form, I fully expect Rose to be in rare form even more so. The Bulls are as advertised when healthy. Pacers will also get back Granger.

Bulls have clobbered us without Rose, this is most alarming IMO....I do not want to face them, we are not better than them nor Pacers at the current moment.
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RonRon wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of team that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

they beat them because Rose and Noah went down and it was a very close fight going down to 7 rounds

Also Philly should be on the list because no one can predict what impact Bynum could give them by the play offs if they make it
I guess the same could be said about Granger and The Pacer's as well but some have them down already although Bynum's upside vs Granger's is great to Philly's advantage

Good point on Philly but I don't think they will have enough time to get it all together and who knows if they even make the playoffs. They are very young. Jrue Holiday, Bynum, Turner and TYoung will be a force to be reckoned with in the Atlantic next year though. Much more than the Nyets, Hawks & Bucks
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2/2/2013  5:14 PM
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of team that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

Well if u don't want to hear about injuries, how did the Bulls do last year against the Sixers??..First round KO..

I have seen in regular season games when teams match their intensity they do well ...Knicks never matched their intensity this season..Last year, Lin and Fields didn't pass the ball to Melo in the post...We would have won last year...

They lost....but it was known that Rose was hurt and went down with a season ending injury but he's coming back this year. My point is teams are challenged when they are injured but some show a difference in being incredibly competitive...WE DON'T/HAVEN'T.

Much like we anticipate Shmupert and Amar'e to be in rare form, I fully expect Rose to be in rare form even more so. The Bulls are as advertised when healthy. Pacers will also get back Granger.

Bulls have clobbered us without Rose, this is most alarming IMO....I do not want to face them, we are not better than them nor Pacers at the current moment.

I'd say 29-15, 2nd seed in the east, 5th best record overall, with arguably more injuries than any other team is being very competitive
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2/2/2013  5:14 PM
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of teams that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

What are you talking about? The bulls are the only team you named that had injuries in the playoffs and they,lost because of it. Knicks were decimated the last 2 years. Weak argument.
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2/2/2013  5:15 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of team that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

Well if u don't want to hear about injuries, how did the Bulls do last year against the Sixers??..First round KO..

I have seen in regular season games when teams match their intensity they do well ...Knicks never matched their intensity this season..Last year, Lin and Fields didn't pass the ball to Melo in the post...We would have won last year...

They lost....but it was known that Rose was hurt and went down with a season ending injury but he's coming back this year. My point is teams are challenged when they are injured but some show a difference in being incredibly competitive...WE DON'T/HAVEN'T.

Much like we anticipate Shmupert and Amar'e to be in rare form, I fully expect Rose to be in rare form even more so. The Bulls are as advertised when healthy. Pacers will also get back Granger.

Bulls have clobbered us without Rose, this is most alarming IMO....I do not want to face them, we are not better than them nor Pacers at the current moment.

I'd say 29-15, 2nd seed in the east, 5th best record overall, with arguably more injuries than any other team is being very competitive


Competitive in Post-Season under adversity is what I was getting at.
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2/2/2013  5:15 PM
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of team that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

Well if u don't want to hear about injuries, how did the Bulls do last year against the Sixers??..First round KO..

I have seen in regular season games when teams match their intensity they do well ...Knicks never matched their intensity this season..Last year, Lin and Fields didn't pass the ball to Melo in the post...We would have won last year...

They lost....but it was known that Rose was hurt and went down with a season ending injury but he's coming back this year. My point is teams are challenged when they are injured but some show a difference in being incredibly competitive...WE DON'T/HAVEN'T.

Much like we anticipate Shmupert and Amar'e to be in rare form, I fully expect Rose to be in rare form even more so. The Bulls are as advertised when healthy. Pacers will also get back Granger.

Bulls have clobbered us without Rose, this is most alarming IMO....I do not want to face them, we are not better than them nor Pacers at the current moment.

So why is it always convenient to use Rose's injury and not Amare, Lin, Chandler, BD, and Shump??
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2/2/2013  5:19 PM
Sorry, I can't and don't put much stock in regular season victories...The Bulls out worked us at every turn...They won't win that way in the playoffs ...
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2/2/2013  5:19 PM
3G4G wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of team that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

Well if u don't want to hear about injuries, how did the Bulls do last year against the Sixers??..First round KO..

I have seen in regular season games when teams match their intensity they do well ...Knicks never matched their intensity this season..Last year, Lin and Fields didn't pass the ball to Melo in the post...We would have won last year...

They lost....but it was known that Rose was hurt and went down with a season ending injury but he's coming back this year. My point is teams are challenged when they are injured but some show a difference in being incredibly competitive...WE DON'T/HAVEN'T.

Much like we anticipate Shmupert and Amar'e to be in rare form, I fully expect Rose to be in rare form even more so. The Bulls are as advertised when healthy. Pacers will also get back Granger.

Bulls have clobbered us without Rose, this is most alarming IMO....I do not want to face them, we are not better than them nor Pacers at the current moment.

I'd say 29-15, 2nd seed in the east, 5th best record overall, with arguably more injuries than any other team is being very competitive


Competitive in Post-Season under adversity is what I was getting at.

We will find out once the playoffs roll around.

One thing is for sure this team is not the same team as last years
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3G4G wrote:Knicks are not in the Scussin category. Not after not proven to win a playoff series with many of the players they've had on the team and their wild splits this year against the tough teams....Also what you describe for a group of teams also applies to other team not in those groups, you're not consistent

The way I see it...

Clear Cut
Heat
OKC


Heavily In the Scussion
Bulls
Spurs
Pacers

These team are proven winners and/or have challenged those in the post-season who have gone far in the post-season recently. Regular season is Regular season....These teams play championship caliber basketball always consistent in what they do and how they play, are physically and mentally tough, evenly balanced on both sides of the ball and are tops of the league in defense


Sleepers/Darkhorses
Clippers
Memphis

All the teams above have these but these team lack much of the above.... Stars, Depth, Bigs, respectable defense, rebounding, 3's, veteran leadership, scoring inside & out, getting to the line, bench scoring, Solid regular season teams with little shot at the getting to the Finals & some flaws

Pretenders/Paper Champs
Knicks
Brooklyn


Teams that think they are good but really aren't at this time likely 1st or 2nd round exit teams

Exciting Regular Season/A Piece Away
Nuggets
Warriors
Houston
Hawks
Bucks


Could make noise a la Baron Davis/Warriors type team with difficult shot at getting to the finals depends heavily on matchup(s) have multiple flaws. Not much difference between Paper Champs and Exciting Regular season team

Fading Legends
Lakers
Boston

Although could rear their ugly head with the heart of a champion


Papabear Says

Paper Champs?? Well we shall see in a couple of Months from who's paper or a Knicks Faker.

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2/2/2013  5:21 PM
MSG3 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of teams that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

What are you talking about? The bulls are the only team you named that had injuries in the playoffs and they,lost because of it. Knicks were decimated the last 2 years. Weak argument.

Dude teams had injuries past 3-5yrs in Post-Season and maximized their series with competitive play


I forgot another team...the Heat...No Bosh although challenged but handled business

Lakers no Bynum make it to the Finals....

Boston no Garnett beat Bulls and push Orlando to a competitive Semis


Meanwhile we can barely eek out 1 win and get blown out in most of the games
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2/2/2013  5:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2013  5:22 PM
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of team that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

Well if u don't want to hear about injuries, how did the Bulls do last year against the Sixers??..First round KO..

I have seen in regular season games when teams match their intensity they do well ...Knicks never matched their intensity this season..Last year, Lin and Fields didn't pass the ball to Melo in the post...We would have won last year...

They lost....but it was known that Rose was hurt and went down with a season ending injury but he's coming back this year. My point is teams are challenged when they are injured but some show a difference in being incredibly competitive...WE DON'T/HAVEN'T.

Much like we anticipate Shmupert and Amar'e to be in rare form, I fully expect Rose to be in rare form even more so. The Bulls are as advertised when healthy. Pacers will also get back Granger.

Bulls have clobbered us without Rose, this is most alarming IMO....I do not want to face them, we are not better than them nor Pacers at the current moment.

So why is it always convenient to use Rose's injury and not Amare, Lin, Chandler, BD, and Shump??

because Chicago has always been a TOP team in the entire league and had the BEST record last year
They are much more disciplined on both, play TEAM BALL and within it's limits, and are a TOP DEFENSIVE and REBOUNDING team
Bulls are a younger version of The Spur's in the East

Not a knock on the Knick's but they have NEVER been that consistent team, even for 1 season, and not proven like the Bull's/Spur's have for the past decade ++
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2/2/2013  5:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/7/2013  12:05 AM
holfresh wrote:Sorry, I can't and don't put much stock in regular season victories...The Bulls out worked us at every turn...They won't win that way in the playoffs ...

It's not them actually beating us 3-0 this year per say, although in Rose's absence it's a little alarming because of how much they've had command in those games. It has more so to do with who they are in general. Yes if we meet them they will continue to handle us that way. Thibs is no joke of a coach and they are no joke of a team.
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RonRon wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:The Bulls are fakers...They play very hard during the regular season...But everyone plays hard in the playoffs..They don't have a second trick in the playoffs....Sixers beat them last year after Rose went down...

Timeout did they not challenge all the teams in the East with a healthy a Derrick Rose and lost to the Heat in the ECF? Now had the Knicks recently made the ECFs with Melo you would flying fit if fans said we aren't real and are Fakers.

Now here's the deal we haven't won a playoff series since we've had Melo. I don't want to hear about injuries, because a lot of team that have been in the playoffs 3-5yrs have had injuries including Boston/Lakers/Bulls/Pacers/Spurs

Well if u don't want to hear about injuries, how did the Bulls do last year against the Sixers??..First round KO..

I have seen in regular season games when teams match their intensity they do well ...Knicks never matched their intensity this season..Last year, Lin and Fields didn't pass the ball to Melo in the post...We would have won last year...

They lost....but it was known that Rose was hurt and went down with a season ending injury but he's coming back this year. My point is teams are challenged when they are injured but some show a difference in being incredibly competitive...WE DON'T/HAVEN'T.

Much like we anticipate Shmupert and Amar'e to be in rare form, I fully expect Rose to be in rare form even more so. The Bulls are as advertised when healthy. Pacers will also get back Granger.

Bulls have clobbered us without Rose, this is most alarming IMO....I do not want to face them, we are not better than them nor Pacers at the current moment.

So why is it always convenient to use Rose's injury and not Amare, Lin, Chandler, BD, and Shump??

because Chicago has always been a TOP team in the entire league and had the BEST record last year
They are much more disciplined on both, play TEAM BALL and within it's limits, and are a TOP DEFENSIVE and REBOUNDING team
Bulls are a younger version of The Spur's in the East

Not a knock on the Knick's but they have NEVER been that consistent team, even for 1 season, and not proven like the Bull's/Spur's have for the past decade ++

I wouldn't be so quick to compare the Bulls to the Spurs..Spurs beat you on skill...Bulls beat upon hustle...I'm sorry, I just not impressed with the Bulls until Rose gets another scorer to help him...Outside of this year, when healthy, the Knicks played them well...
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2/2/2013  5:28 PM
gunsnewing wrote:The way I see it...

Clear Cut
Heat
OKC

In the scussion
Knicks(w/Sheed & Camby)
Bulls
Spurs

These teams play championship caliber basketball. Stars, Depth, Bigs, defense, rebounding, 3's, veteran leadership, scoring inside & out, getting to the line, bench scoring

Solid regular season teams with little shot at the getting to the Finals & some flaws
Clippers
Lakers
Warriors

Exciting regular season with NO shot at getting to the finals & multiple flaws
Nuggets
Pacers
Hawks

Teams a piece away from making noise
Houston

Teams that think they are good but really aren't but are 1st or 2nd round exit teams
Brooklyn

guns your descriptions don't seem to fit all of the teams... for instance why should "stars" be a prerequisite for a team to play championship caliber basketball... do the pacers have a star according to you? if not, do you really think there is a difference in quality of ball between them and the knicks? the pacers and nuggets both are better rebounding teams than the knicks by far, they both have depth, bigs, veteran leadership, they can score inside and out actually denver leads the league in points in the paint.. houston is 3rd, clippers 2nd. knicks last..

I am not saying I completely disagree with your list, but if we are going to be honest, the pacers deserve to be in the discussion as they pushed miami last year.. knicks have just one playoff win.... lets put ourselves in the pacers shoes... would we really buy that the knicks are more of a contender than we are( being pacers fans that is)...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/2/2013  5:29 PM
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holfresh wrote:Sorry, I can't and don't put much stock in regular season victories...The Bulls out worked us at every turn...They won't win that way in the playoffs ...

It's not them actually beating us 3-0 tis year per say although in Rose's absence it's a little alarming because of how much they've had command in those games. It has more so to do with who they are in general. Yes if we meet them they will continue to handle us that way. Thibs is no joke of a coach and they are no joke of a team.

Thibs coach hustle...He doesn't coach X's and O's...
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2/2/2013  5:30 PM
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holfresh wrote:Sorry, I can't and don't put much stock in regular season victories...The Bulls out worked us at every turn...They won't win that way in the playoffs ...

It's not them actually beating us 3-0 tis year per say although in Rose's absence it's a little alarming because of how much they've had command in those games. It has more so to do with who they are in general. Yes if we meet them they will continue to handle us that way. Thibs is no joke of a coach and they are no joke of a team.

Papabear Says

You can bring on Rose and all the Bulls but the Knicks will not be the same team in the Playoffs.

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3G4G wrote:Knicks are not in the Scussin category. Not after not proven to win a playoff series with many of the players they've had on the team and their wild splits this year against the tough teams....Also what you describe for a group of teams also applies to other team not in those groups, you're not consistent

The way I see it...

Clear Cut
Heat
OKC


Heavily In the Scussion
Bulls
Spurs
Pacers

These team are proven winners and/or have challenged those in the post-season who have gone far in the post-season recently. Regular season is Regular season....These teams play championship caliber basketball always consistent in what they do and how they play, are physically and mentally tough, evenly balanced on both sides of the ball and are tops of the league in defense


Sleepers/Darkhorses
Clippers
Memphis

All the teams above have these but these team lack much of the above.... Stars, Depth, Bigs, respectable defense, rebounding, 3's, veteran leadership, scoring inside & out, getting to the line, bench scoring, Solid regular season teams with little shot at the getting to the Finals & some flaws

Pretenders/Paper Champs
Knicks
Brooklyn


Teams that think they are good but really aren't at this time likely 1st or 2nd round exit teams

Exciting Regular Season/A Piece Away
Nuggets
Warriors
Houston
Hawks
Bucks


Could make noise a la Baron Davis/Warriors type team with difficult shot at getting to the finals depends heavily on matchup(s) have multiple flaws. Not much difference between Paper Champs and Exciting Regular season team

Fading Legends
Lakers
Boston

Although could rear their ugly head with the heart of a champion

yea, I like this list a lot more.. seems to be more fair.... especially considering teams like the bulls and pacers having pushed some of these top teams in the recent playoffs..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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Miami is the only serious contender in the East until proven otherwise, but New York and Chicago could also win that conference. I'm more sold on the Knicks than the Bulls.

Oklahoma City and the LA Clippers are the huge contenders out west. I won't write the Spurs off, though.

That's pretty much it.
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