IronWillGiroud wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

holfresh wrote:Now counting the old dudes..Your starting PF misses 30 games, starting SG missed 37 games and playing limited minutes when back..Starting PG misses 12 games and counting..Not a his deal at all..

Erase the injuries of Camby, Thomas and Rasheed and how many wins would we have? Because...

Our 2nd string PF (during our first 30 games) in Kurt Thomas missed 15 games.
Our backup PF in Rasheed Wallace has missed 20 games.
Our backup Center in Camby has missed 26 games.

Yea, those injuries don't matter and/or count.

Not to mention our true superstar player in Melo has missed 7 games.

And as you stated holfresh, our starting PF has missed 30 games. Our starting 2G missed 37 games and our starting PG has missed 12 games.

When the hell did Amar'e become our starting PF? What did I miss?? This is creative revisionist history

I guess you missed the offseason of 2010. That's where Amar'e was signed as our starting PF. That's when Amar'e set a franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. That's when Amar'e took our franchise on his back before leading us to the playoffs as a one man offensive machine. And then the trade happened. Where have you been? Because back in 2010 Amar'e became our starting PF and we're now on the verge of 3 consecutive trips to the postseason since the addition of Amar'e Stoudemire. Where have you been dude?

Also, by you questioning if Amar'e is our starting PF or not. Guess what? You pretty much proved my point with this post above. Without knowingly doing so as well. Thanks.

Stoudemire has been injured this season but let's not act as if Amar'e himself hasn't been our starting PF dating back to 2010-2011. 3rd season as a Knick now. And why hasn't he been a starter "officially" during our past 10 games? Because he's just now coming back from injury. Not yet able to average his career average of 34.3 minutes per game. Only averaging 21.3 minutes per game. Just goes to show how injured our PF position has truthfully been this season. We haven't even gotten an "official" start out of Amar'e yet.

And if Amar'e isn't our starting PF? Is it safe to say that Rasheed Wallace is? Because Wallace averages 14.6 minutes per game. Only behind Amar'e at the PF position. So, does that mean our current starting PF in Rasheed Wallace has missed 20 games? Damn.

And also, if Stoudemire's not our starting PF, who is? Chris Copeland who's only averaging 12.6 minutes per game? Or was it Rasheed who averaged 14.6 minutes per game while also missing 20 games. In case you haven't noticed, Stoudemire has averaged 21.3 minutes per game during his 10 games back since return. Those 21.3 minutes per game? More than any PF on the team in regards to Kurt, Camby, Rasheed and Copeland. And yes, Camby also played lots of PF before going down again.

Yea, I guess Stoudemire isn't our starting PF despite the fact he's getting more minutes than any PF in regards to Rasheed, Copeland and/or Kurt Thomas.

So, if Rose comes off the bench during his first two games after returning from injury with Chicago, would it be fair to take your same B.S philosophy and/or point of view by stating this... "Since when has Rose been Chicago's starting PG" because lets face it, if Rose doesn't start INSTANTLY after returning from injury ala the Amar'e situation, does that mean he's not Chicago's starting PG anymore? Nice to know...

NYKMentality wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

holfresh wrote:Now counting the old dudes..Your starting PF misses 30 games, starting SG missed 37 games and playing limited minutes when back..Starting PG misses 12 games and counting..Not a his deal at all..

Erase the injuries of Camby, Thomas and Rasheed and how many wins would we have? Because...

Our 2nd string PF (during our first 30 games) in Kurt Thomas missed 15 games.
Our backup PF in Rasheed Wallace has missed 20 games.
Our backup Center in Camby has missed 26 games.

Yea, those injuries don't matter and/or count.

Not to mention our true superstar player in Melo has missed 7 games.

And as you stated holfresh, our starting PF has missed 30 games. Our starting 2G missed 37 games and our starting PG has missed 12 games.

When the hell did Amar'e become our starting PF? What did I miss?? This is creative revisionist history

I guess you missed the offseason of 2010. That's where Amar'e was signed as our starting PF. That's when Amar'e set a franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points. That's when Amar'e took our franchise on his back before leading us to the playoffs as a one man offensive machine. And then the trade happened. Where have you been? Because back in 2010 Amar'e became our starting PF and we're now on the verge of 3 consecutive trips to the postseason since the addition of Amar'e Stoudemire. Where have you been dude?

Also, by you questioning if Amar'e is our starting PF or not. Guess what? You pretty much proved my point with this post above. Without knowingly doing so as well. Thanks.

Stoudemire has been injured this season but let's not act as if Amar'e himself hasn't been our starting PF dating back to 2010-2011. 3rd season as a Knick now. And why hasn't he been a starter "officially" during our past 10 games? Because he's just now coming back from injury. Not yet able to average his career average of 34.3 minutes per game. Only averaging 21.3 minutes per game. Just goes to show how injured our PF position has truthfully been this season. We haven't even gotten an "official" start out of Amar'e yet.

And if Amar'e isn't our starting PF? Is it safe to say that Rasheed Wallace is? Because Wallace averages 14.6 minutes per game. Only behind Amar'e at the PF position. So, does that mean our current starting PF in Rasheed Wallace has missed 20 games? Damn.

And also, if Stoudemire's not our starting PF, who is? Chris Copeland who's only averaging 12.6 minutes per game? Or was it Rasheed who averaged 14.6 minutes per game while also missing 20 games. In case you haven't noticed, Stoudemire has averaged 21.3 minutes per game during his 10 games back since return. Those 21.3 minutes per game? More than any PF on the team in regards to Kurt, Camby, Rasheed and Copeland. And yes, Camby also played lots of PF before going down again.

Yea, I guess Stoudemire isn't our starting PF despite the fact he's getting more minutes than any PF in regards to Rasheed, Copeland and/or Kurt Thomas.

So, if Rose comes off the bench during his first two games after returning from injury with Chicago, would it be fair to take your same B.S philosophy and/or point of view by stating this... "Since when has Rose been Chicago's starting PG" because lets face it, if Rose doesn't start INSTANTLY after returning from injury ala the Amar'e situation, does that mean he's not Chicago's starting PG anymore? Nice to know...

Two things:

Amar'e is coming off the bench not because of injury, but because the long term plan at this point is to use him in the 6th man role,

things could change, you never know how the team will react to adjustments, let's see what Felton's return does,

and,

Amar'e will never again in his life play 34 minutes per game, look for high 20s at BEST this year

Won't be easy, but its doable. its all timing. Miami lost bosh for part of the playoffs but still overcame.

IronWillGiroud wrote:and,

Amar'e will never again in his life play 34 minutes per game, look for high 20s at BEST this year

Says who, you?

Amar'e missed 30 games due to injury but yet during his only 10 games back upon injury he's already averaging 21.3 minutes per game? Without a single "official start"?

You can bet your ass that once ANOTHER 42 games goes by? Amar'e will not only become our starting PF (officially) but he'll also be getting 30+ minutes per game come postseason play, as once again, our starting PF. No question about it either.

Also, let's not act as if Stoudemire never had a history of injuries BEFORE becoming a Knick. Still doesn't change the fact he not only averaged 36.8 and 32.8 minutes per game during his first two seasons as a Knick but also averaged 33.5 and 34.8 minutes per game during our two postseason appearances.

And also, who stated Stoudemire is going to become our 6th man off the bench moving forward? That role belongs to J.R Smith until proven otherwise ala the same J.R Smith who currently averaged the 2nd most minutes of any player on our team outside of Melo.

Shumpert is our starting 2G. Stoudemire is returning into our starting PF (sooner rather than later) and J.R Smith will continue to be our 6th man off the bench moving forward; not "Amar'e Stoudemire".

NYKMentality wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:and,

Amar'e will never again in his life play 34 minutes per game, look for high 20s at BEST this year

Says who, you?

Amar'e missed 30 games due to injury but yet during his only 10 games back upon injury he's already averaging 21.3 minutes per game? Without a single "official start"?

You can bet your ass that once ANOTHER 42 games goes by? Amar'e will not only become our starting PF (officially) but he'll also be getting 30+ minutes per game come postseason play, as once again, our starting PF. No question about it either.

Also, let's not act as if Stoudemire never had a history of injuries BEFORE becoming a Knick. Still doesn't change the fact he not only averaged 36.8 and 32.8 minutes per game during his first two seasons as a Knick but also averaged 33.5 and 34.8 minutes per game during our two postseason appearances.

And also, who stated Stoudemire is going to become our 6th man off the bench moving forward? That role belongs to J.R Smith until proven otherwise ala the same J.R Smith who currently averaged the 2nd most minutes of any player on our team outside of Melo.

Shumpert is our starting 2G. Stoudemire is returning into our starting PF (sooner rather than later) and J.R Smith will continue to be our 6th man off the bench moving forward; not "Amar'e Stoudemire".

The trend is your friend:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3607/career;_ylt=AhbI30ThPbF.0r861e11Ku2xPKB4

Look closely, and remember that he's 30 years old coming off, what, the second or third knee surgery of his career?

NYKMentality wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have an old roster. It was predictable and predicted that this would happen.

That's a myth. We're not an "old team".

Yes, we have three old backups in Kidd (backup PG). Rasheed (backup PF). Camby (backup Center) and two 3rd stringers in Pablo (3rd string PG) and Kurt (3rd string PF).

You wanna talk about an old team? You talk about the L.A Lakers. Nash (38). Bryant (34). Artest (33). Gasol (32).

The Lakers feature 4 starters who are 32 years of age and/or older.

The Knicks feature 0 starters who are 32 years of age and/or older and only feature two starters in Tyson and Amar'e who are both exactly 30 years of age.

The Lakers starting 5 is at an average of 32.8 years of age.

Felton (28). Shumpert (22). Melo (28). Stoudemire (30). Chandler (30).

The Knicks starting 5 is at an average of only 27.6 years of age.

Far from "old". Especially in regards to our starting 5.

Our 6th man off the bench in J.R Smith is only 27 years of age. Brewer is only 27. Copeland is only 28. Novak is only 29.

Which one of these players are... "OLD"?

Kidd is pretty much our only aging backup who we'll need and/or ask to play a significant amount of playing time. Experienced? Without question. "Old"? A myth. Kurt and Pablo are both 3rd stringers.

Umm, Kidd has started every game this season and he's 39.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

holfresh wrote:Just a side note..If Amare doesn't play like Amare of 2008 then we don't make it out the second round...Fact..

So then we can't overcome an injury to a washed up Amar'e, but Chicago has overcome losing its MVP and they are still banging,

Who is overcoming what then?

Who is overcoming ???...We have a better record and last I remember Chicago had a quick exit out of playoffs last year as well...

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

holfresh wrote:Just a side note..If Amare doesn't play like Amare of 2008 then we don't make it out the second round...Fact..

So then we can't overcome an injury to a washed up Amar'e, but Chicago has overcome losing its MVP and they are still banging,

Who is overcoming what then?

Who is overcoming ???...We have a better record and last I remember Chicago had a quick exit out of playoffs last year as well...

So did we and we didn't lose our 2 best players either.

Who lost their two best players?...I hope u know Deng played more games this year than Melo?? Who is the second player Chicago lost?