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Top 10 NBA prospects in college from what I have seen this year
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Anji
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1/14/2013  12:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2013  12:30 PM
Pierre Jackson looks like a really good back up point guard.

Phil Pressey looks like...........lol, he looks like Chris Paul-lite.

Woh, why isn't he on anybodies lottery board??????? 81st on Draftnet and 28th on draftexpress

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1/14/2013  3:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2013  5:11 PM
Really impressed with Pierre Jackson's handle/shot/speed and quickness/ penetration ability to finish/ and court vision/ ability to shoot on and off the dribble
Every draft, there are players that will be doubted/questioned for their size, and he will be one when of his draft class

I think Pierre Jackson looks more like a CP3 lite to me, in between the size of Nate Robinson/ Cp3/TJ Ford and lowest Scott Machado??
This little man can ball, he will be a complete steal, and it a TRUE PG

As Cp3 being his highest potential ceiling and possibly somewhere between Isiah Thomas/Ty Lawson/Darren Collison/TJ Ford/Nate Robinson being more realistic
This might be the closest we can get to the toast of Melo/Amare and CP3


Props to Anji for finding Phil Pressey, really think he would be a steal, if we can get him with a middle/late 2nd rounder
Problem is if he isn't selected with a 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder, and he does develop him to a good player and shows promise in 2 year's, he could get a poison pill that can hurt us in the future especially for 2015 FA draft class..

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1/15/2013  9:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/15/2013  9:38 PM
I think we all see that Kidd cannot give many minutes at PG at his age especially for next year and the remainder of his contract/as he gets older

Would love to add Charles Jenkins to the roster as well
Especially of Golden State doesn't sign him and he could be a sneaky FA for the minimum in the likes of CJ Watson, John Lucas III, Telafair, Nate, Patty Mills, Watson to keep an eye on as 3rd stringer's
I see him as a smaller Billup's with his ability to shoot the ball
He seem's to have fallen off the rotation with the addition of Jack to GS

I really think Pierre Jackson can be a huge steal if we could buy a mid/late 2nd round pick?
If I remember correctly, we cannot buy it because the draft is b4 FA in which we can spend 3m again though

I like him so much, I think the Knick's should consider trading down for him if we cannot get another pick
Unless King's win a whole lot of games ahead, we won't be getting their 2nd round pick either, top 55 protected from Nate Robinson deal

However, if Iman show's signs that can play some PG minutes offensively with Kidd's guidance it wouldn't make sense to pick Pierre Jackson and get Jenkin's though
While neither have the size and defensive ability to defend the SG and have Iman creating havok on the opponent's PG's
Little Nathan *probably unlikely with JR Smith/Melo's brawl and now Novak inciddent along with Patty Mill's if available would be great option's as the 3rd stringers
With Kidd here and his lack of speed on both ends, I just don't think it is ideal to have both Pablo and Kidd with their game's and weakness's so similar

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1/16/2013  11:14 AM
RonRon wrote:yeah, its still early, gotta wait till mid March for some hype

as for Adam Morrision 2.0, I think we have Copeland's role on the team already

In no particular order, I think we need

--PG-- probably no more hybrids, we have Kidd at SG and Iman as the hybrid already

--PF/C-- preferably in the mode of Ibaka or Taj Gibson * a shot blocking PF that runs the court well and is mobile/athletic/long*


--SG/SF-- Kawaii Leanord/James Johnson/Marion/Gereld Wallace or Klay Thompson or Wilson Chandler/Matt Barnes, possibly 2 players at this position for JR Smith replacement


I know sometimes you must take the best player available regardless of position IF THAT PLAYER IS REALLY THAT MUCH BETTER if they are similar, draft by our needs

I think SG/SF is the easiest position the fill in FA, although we only have the Mini MLE and veteran's minimum *which is no longer scrubs with the New CBA*

Mcdermott is much more Wally Z he looks nothing like Morrison hes put together and has a toughness about his game. I think he might be number 1 PER in all of college basketball. Hes not a lead type player but a guy who could go with a Carmelo Anthony very well. When you are 6-9 and can play like he does---hes going to be a good nba player.

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1/16/2013  12:54 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:yeah, its still early, gotta wait till mid March for some hype

as for Adam Morrision 2.0, I think we have Copeland's role on the team already

In no particular order, I think we need

--PG-- probably no more hybrids, we have Kidd at SG and Iman as the hybrid already

--PF/C-- preferably in the mode of Ibaka or Taj Gibson * a shot blocking PF that runs the court well and is mobile/athletic/long*


--SG/SF-- Kawaii Leanord/James Johnson/Marion/Gereld Wallace or Klay Thompson or Wilson Chandler/Matt Barnes, possibly 2 players at this position for JR Smith replacement


I know sometimes you must take the best player available regardless of position IF THAT PLAYER IS REALLY THAT MUCH BETTER if they are similar, draft by our needs

I think SG/SF is the easiest position the fill in FA, although we only have the Mini MLE and veteran's minimum *which is no longer scrubs with the New CBA*

Mcdermott is much more Wally Z he looks nothing like Morrison hes put together and has a toughness about his game. I think he might be number 1 PER in all of college basketball. Hes not a lead type player but a guy who could go with a Carmelo Anthony very well. When you are 6-9 and can play like he does---hes going to be a good nba player.

I was referring to Gonzaga's big vs Copeland
didn't even realize he was 7'1
he looks more like a slow PF than a Center

Briggs what do u think about Pierre Jackson vs Charles Jenkins if available as our backup PG's for next season?
I know it is just highlight's I am watching on Pierre Jackson but he looks like he can be a legit PG that is a complete steal to me

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1/16/2013  1:37 PM
RonRon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:yeah, its still early, gotta wait till mid March for some hype

as for Adam Morrision 2.0, I think we have Copeland's role on the team already

In no particular order, I think we need

--PG-- probably no more hybrids, we have Kidd at SG and Iman as the hybrid already

--PF/C-- preferably in the mode of Ibaka or Taj Gibson * a shot blocking PF that runs the court well and is mobile/athletic/long*


--SG/SF-- Kawaii Leanord/James Johnson/Marion/Gereld Wallace or Klay Thompson or Wilson Chandler/Matt Barnes, possibly 2 players at this position for JR Smith replacement


I know sometimes you must take the best player available regardless of position IF THAT PLAYER IS REALLY THAT MUCH BETTER if they are similar, draft by our needs

I think SG/SF is the easiest position the fill in FA, although we only have the Mini MLE and veteran's minimum *which is no longer scrubs with the New CBA*

Mcdermott is much more Wally Z he looks nothing like Morrison hes put together and has a toughness about his game. I think he might be number 1 PER in all of college basketball. Hes not a lead type player but a guy who could go with a Carmelo Anthony very well. When you are 6-9 and can play like he does---hes going to be a good nba player.

I was referring to Gonzaga's big vs Copeland
didn't even realize he was 7'1
he looks more like a slow PF than a Center

Briggs what do u think about Pierre Jackson vs Charles Jenkins if available as our backup PG's for next season?
I know it is just highlight's I am watching on Pierre Jackson but he looks like he can be a legit PG that is a complete steal to me

Pierre Jackson is too small I do like Jenkins he could play if given a chance..hes more of a small 2 g than pg but close enough.

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1/16/2013  1:52 PM
Phil Pressey FTW, the guy has starter potential and is a true general............he probably moves out of our range though.
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1/16/2013  2:16 PM
I think Pierre Jackson can be that diamond in the rough, he has a little bit of Kemba Walker/Isiah Thomas in him
I do agree though we can probably only take a shot at undersized player like Jenkins or Jackson, as I do like both of them
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1/16/2013  2:58 PM
Anji wrote:Phil Pressey FTW, the guy has starter potential and is a true general............he probably moves out of our range though.

Id put my 5 bucks Nate Wolters is better than both of them. Those are two very smallish G's who dont shoot that well. Wolters is a legit 6-4 with much more PG talent than he has shown. I like tall PG's if I can get them. He has to improve his long range shooting but after that you have what could be the next Steve Nash.

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1/16/2013  5:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2013  5:22 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Anji wrote:Phil Pressey FTW, the guy has starter potential and is a true general............he probably moves out of our range though.

Id put my 5 bucks Nate Wolters is better than both of them. Those are two very smallish G's who dont shoot that well. Wolters is a legit 6-4 with much more PG talent than he has shown. I like tall PG's if I can get them. He has to improve his long range shooting but after that you have what could be the next Steve Nash.

Calderon or Lowry?
Size vs Speed would be a good comparison, especially if you cannot use that size to your advantage on DEFENSE it becomes quite useless

I personally would much rather have a PG that has speed/quickness rather than size without physical abilities of a freak like Westbrook

Jackson know's how to use his speed and quickness to set up other's, as well as for himself, has a pretty good shot as well, on and off the ball
I don't think he is a *Scoring PG* either, with speed/quickness/handle/ability to penetrate/finish it is much easier to initiate an offense and break down defenses
Question is will he still be effective in the NBA game and/or how long will it take for him to adjust like Nate Robinson had to work hard and adjust to the NBA game?
His STAT's are not great, along with his size, and that is why he will be under the radar, but I think he is much better than his STATS show and his game will translate in the NBA

Kemba/Cp3/Nate Robinson/Isiah Thomas are players that I see Jackson developing in to with fair comparisons physically with a good understanding of the game

I also think they should look to pick up DJO as a high risk/reward on their roster, but doubt it will happen with Woodys preference to be veterans...


Vasquez, Calderon, Westbrook, Temple, Wall are some of the bigger PG in the league
I think Calderon would be the fairest comparison for the ceiling of Nate Walter's *when he full develops* judging from what I see from his clips

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1/16/2013  5:21 PM
I used to play AND watch college basketball. I loved it however it sucks now. LOL. These prospects (including the lottery ones) are simply too raw and too hard to evaluate. I agree with BRIGGS that the top prospects are Shabazz, Austin, Plumlee, Zeller, McCullum and McLemore however NONE of these are a sure bet.

This is one of the few areas where I agree with knicks management. I dont think its worth it to invest in these draft picks. Too much of uncertainty...especially outside the lottery. I dont think there will be much talent at the end of the first round. Instead, Id rather invest (without overpaying) in 2-3rd yr players (who wouldve just graduated college) who have tasted the NBA a lil and now you can have a better evaluation of their potential (i.e. B. Mullins, Hill on lakers etc).

Lastly, the college game is almost unwatchable now. Zone defenses playing offenses that CANT shoot. It becomes a foul shooting contest

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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1/16/2013  5:26 PM
Not worth it now but when we traded away 2 lottery picks that became LaMarcus Aldridge and Noah or Trade Nene and Camby for Mcdyess it was a big deal and terrible investment.
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1/16/2013  5:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2013  6:01 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Not worth it now but when we traded away 2 lottery picks that became LaMarcus Aldridge and Noah or Trade Nene and Camby for Mcdyess it was a big deal and terrible investment.

Yeah, with the picks, especially lottery picks we have had in about the last decade, we could have had a pretty solid team, but as NY, it was the gamble we made to *STARPHUQ*
Many of those lottery picks could have changed the direction of the team alone that can play both ends

However, when you draft at 20+ it is very hard but not impossible to draft a high impact defensive player

like a

Ibaka/Taj Gibson/Marc Gasol, although they take time to develop, these are the type of players that we should be looking to acquire because of their ceilings and FIT

or a stretch 4 like Ryan Anderson/Ilyasova


Does anyone else here see the potential of Pierre Jackson and/or believes his game can translate to the NBA, even with his size issues?
Same for Charles Jenkins if he is available this summer for the veterans minimum, which is quite possible with the way he has barely played since acquiring Jack and Curry is healthy?
Jenkins is a smaller Billups that has the ability to hit shot's but has enough quickness/handle/IQ to play the PG position in the NBA
He was the leading scorer in College when he was drafted, I think the potential is still there in him

Just saying, with Kidd here, I just don't see the need for Pablo and would rather have someone younger with upside that could penetrate much better

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1/16/2013  5:59 PM
and David Lee was pick 30. I trust this Knicks regime to make those kind of quality late 1st round/early 2nd round picks as long as we have picks
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1/16/2013  10:55 PM
If Patrick Young comes out(he really needs to stay) he still would be a nice fit. He could be a Festus Ezili type. I have seen them both battle and Young held his own. Needs to mature but he is a specimen. That if he focus on blks and boards he'll stay in the league.
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1/17/2013  12:06 PM
I agree. I think patrk young will be a stud. Hes built like a tank
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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1/17/2013  1:04 PM
callmened wrote:I agree. I think patrk young will be a stud. Hes built like a tank

I think he has along ways to go but he would be a great energy guy. He plays in a heavy PnR offense and UF puts out quality players.

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1/17/2013  1:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2013  1:58 PM
Patric Young compared to Festus Ezeli's game/raw with Brandon Bass's size are fair comparisons with a peak ceiling of Horford/Hickson
In the college level, he could use his athleticism/size/agility to dominate, and elevating/translating it in the NBA level will take some time/development

No one else here agrees with me about Pierre Jackson??

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1/17/2013  1:41 PM
Doug McDermott most underrated player out there. Shoots as efficiently as any player I have seen. Not often you see a guy at close to 60% FG and 50% 3PT. He might be the best player in the country right now from the offensive end.
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1/17/2013  1:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2013  1:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Anji wrote:Phil Pressey FTW, the guy has starter potential and is a true general............he probably moves out of our range though.

Id put my 5 bucks Nate Wolters is better than both of them. Those are two very smallish G's who dont shoot that well. Wolters is a legit 6-4 with much more PG talent than he has shown. I like tall PG's if I can get them. He has to improve his long range shooting but after that you have what could be the next Steve Nash.


In my eyes though, the huge point guard is mostly a bust in the NBA.

I know nothing about this guy, but being 6'4 doesn't mean much if you aren't athletic enough to beat the second defender to the hoop or guard anybody. And if he is more of a scorer than a point guard getting by on his height in college, he'll likely bust too.

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