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smackeddog
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12/29/2012  2:31 PM
VCoug wrote:
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Nalod wrote:Anyone figure what we can pay him? We get his bird rights this year?

He'd need to be here 3 years for Bird rights. 2 years is Early Bird rights which means we can offer around $5M/year.

Not exactly- we're kind of screwed in that with early bird rights I think we'd have to use the MLE to get to that 5 mil. However if we use that much, we trigger the hard cap, which basically would screw us. So really the most we could offer him would be the MMLE which is 3 mil. I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember someone writing this over the Lin/Novak? But then again that wouldn't make sense as what would be the advantage of early bird rights if you have to use the MLE anyways?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

That was only referring to restricted free agents; JR will be an unrestricted free agent.

earthmansurfer wrote:Unlike Lin, they will match anything JR receives. They will have to think of a new excuse though. My bet is they will say revenue from JR Jersey sales as well as the money he brings to MSG will more than pay for his contract.

Except we don't have the right to match contract offers for JR. Lin was a restricted free agent which is why we had the option to match that contract.

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12/29/2012  2:32 PM
smackeddog wrote:
knickscity wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Nalod wrote:Anyone figure what we can pay him? We get his bird rights this year?

He'd need to be here 3 years for Bird rights. 2 years is Early Bird rights which means we can offer around $5M/year.

Not exactly- we're kind of screwed in that with early bird rights I think we'd have to use the MLE to get to that 5 mil. However if we use that much, we trigger the hard cap, which basically would screw us. So really the most we could offer him would be the MMLE which is 3 mil. I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember someone writing this over the Lin/Novak? But then again that wouldn't make sense as what would be the advantage of early bird rights if you have to use the MLE anyways?

Not true, early bird players are eligible to make average NBA salary, just over 5 mil, 5.3 to be exact.

We don't have to use the MLE on JR at all.

It's the exact situation with LIn, and we did not have to use the MLE on him either.

Phew- but does it mean no other team can offer him more than what Lin got via a poison pill contract?


A team can offer him a max if they want to, the raf status is what limits teams to what they can offer as respect of the home team being able to match.

If someone wanted to offer JR a 4 year 60 mil deal....they could.

But no one is doing that, JR is not that kind of player, and there is no "potential" for growth to warrant it.
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12/29/2012  2:34 PM
believe me, every team in the league knows JR's success is strictly tied to being on THIS team.
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12/29/2012  2:38 PM
3G4G wrote:J.R. Smith is basically Melo with slightly more horrific shot selection.....oh and he's a little shorter and not as heavy.

Yeah, I don't want to give him more than 3 mil per year.
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12/29/2012  2:38 PM
Never understood why our front office doesn't get our younger talents (such as J.R) locked up long term. I was screaming for J.R while he was overseas during our offseason. The man has a love for basketball. Always seem this, even in a younger J.R. J.R Smith should have been locked up long term the moment he arrived in New York from overseas. Great talent. Amazing potential. Makes mistakes from time to time. But It was our coaching job's duty to work with J.R Smith. Turn him into a better player. A smarter one. Because his talent is A1. He deserves to start just like M.J23 and Bryant did before becoming truly great. As great? Who the fk knows. That's not the point, but he deserves to start without question. Offensive fire power. Woodson took it one step further, told him to pull up his pants up and the rest was history. We have our hands on something very special in J.R Smith. The eye of a killer on the basketball court. The heart of a lion. His footwork is greatness when focused and in the zone. Please, lock him up LONG TERM.
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12/29/2012  2:38 PM
knickscity wrote:believe me, every team in the league knows JR's success is strictly tied to being on THIS team.

No way. If JR proves to be consistent all year for the first time he will get plenty of offers. There are 29 other teams
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12/29/2012  2:39 PM
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knickscity wrote:believe me, every team in the league knows JR's success is strictly tied to being on THIS team.

No way. If JR proves to be consistent all year for the first time he will get plenty of offers. There are 29 other teams


Not in this CBA they won't....potential gets paid, just being productive is not enough.
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12/29/2012  2:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2012  2:41 PM
JR is getting $2.5mil now so $3mil is not much of an increase. You have to figure he will get at least $5mil from someone else of which we can't offer.

My guess he gets around $7-8mil
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12/29/2012  2:41 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Never understood why our front office doesn't get our younger talents (such as J.R) locked up long term. I was screaming for J.R while he was overseas during our offseason. The man has a love for basketball. Always seem this, even in a younger J.R. J.R Smith should have been locked up long term the moment he arrived in New York from overseas. Great talent. Amazing potential. Makes mistakes from time to time. But It was our coaching job's duty to work with J.R Smith. Turn him into a better player. A smarter one. Because his talent is A1. He deserves to start just like M.J23 and Bryant did before becoming truly great. As great? Who the fk knows. That's not the point, but he deserves to start without question. Offensive fire power. Woodson took it one step further, told him to pull up his pants up and the rest was history. We have our hands on something very special in J.R Smith. The eye of a killer on the basketball court. The heart of a lion. His footwork is greatness when focused and in the zone. Please, lock him up LONG TERM.

Jr will receive his due next season, when he can qualify for a max from us.

we don't have his bird rights to give him a long term deal, now with EB rights he can get average salary for four years.

but my bet is gets another two year deal, opt out after one, then get his max bird deal from us.
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12/29/2012  2:43 PM
gunsnewing wrote:JR is getting $2.5mil now. You have to figure he will get at least $5mil from someone else of which we can't offer.

My guess he gets around $7-8mil


EB rights allows us to pay him 5 mil+, same as what happened with Lin....average NBA salary.

Who's paying him 8? No one. Teams are showing now what they pay for....potential and proven talent.
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12/29/2012  2:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2012  3:25 PM
Smith can be signed for 175% above previous season salary or 104.5% above the league average salary of previous season(or whatever proves to be league average salary by the time this season concludes).


Edit: Should have clarified how much other team's can offer him. I was thinking it was in a percentage range of his previous season salary which actually would be 105% of previous season or Max (30% of cap)


We know Smith isn't playing for 175% of $2.8mil(his current salary)


We know Smith will be interested in playing for 104.5% of $5.276mil(current estimated average salary) +/- 100-300k increase for final on actual season ending "average salary". We know Smith will want the full 4yrs from us. So he can receive a contract starting at 5.5mil with 7.5% raises on each season.....


Year 1 $5.51k
Year 2 $5.92k
Year 3 $6.33k
Year 4 $6.74k


Basically a 4yr $24.5mil contract. Pretty much what his last major deal was, back in Denver.
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12/29/2012  2:50 PM
Thanks for this info. I just dream of seeing both Iman Shumpert and J.R Smith develop and grow together. With Melo and Chandler leading the way, this could be special.
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12/29/2012  2:52 PM
Papabear Says

JR Smith has a Loyalty too the Knicks Unlike Lin.

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12/29/2012  2:54 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Thanks for this info. I just dream of seeing both Iman Shumpert and J.R Smith develop and grow together. With Melo and Chandler leading the way, this could be special.

There's going to be nothing special about 2 volume shooters on multi year deals leading the team going forward. And I mean nothing
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12/29/2012  2:54 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Thanks for this info. I just dream of seeing both Iman Shumpert and J.R Smith develop and grow together. With Melo and Chandler leading the way, this could be special.

Where's Amare?

But on another note, I'm keenly anticipating our 2013 1st round pick.
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12/29/2012  2:56 PM
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NYKMentality wrote:Thanks for this info. I just dream of seeing both Iman Shumpert and J.R Smith develop and grow together. With Melo and Chandler leading the way, this could be special.

There's going to be nothing special about 2 volume shooters on multi year deals leading the team going forward. And I mean nothing

True but When you have guys maxed out like Melo and Amare you really don't have a choice. JR is the best you can do. There are far worst players than JR making more money
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12/29/2012  2:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2012  2:57 PM
knickscity wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Thanks for this info. I just dream of seeing both Iman Shumpert and J.R Smith develop and grow together. With Melo and Chandler leading the way, this could be special.

Where's Amare?

But on another note, I'm keenly anticipating our 2013 1st round pick.

Maybe we can draft a gem at PG to play with Felton since Kidd and Prig's days are numbered
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12/29/2012  2:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2012  3:02 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:JR is getting $2.5mil now. You have to figure he will get at least $5mil from someone else of which we can't offer.

My guess he gets around $7-8mil


EB rights allows us to pay him 5 mil+, same as what happened with Lin....average NBA salary.

Who's paying him 8? No one. Teams are showing now what they pay for....potential and proven talent.


J.R. has essentially gone through 2yrs of NBA discounts(Lockout/China and this year), I doubt he uses another season of his career which is about to start winding down as he'll be 28 to play for peanuts again. He's going to want to get locked up. Chris Smith numbers this year told us what's to come.
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12/29/2012  3:00 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:JR is getting $2.5mil now. You have to figure he will get at least $5mil from someone else of which we can't offer.

My guess he gets around $7-8mil


EB rights allows us to pay him 5 mil+, same as what happened with Lin....average NBA salary.

Who's paying him 8? No one. Teams are showing now what they pay for....potential and proven talent.


J.R. has essentially gone through 2yrs of NBA discounts(Lockout/China and this year), I doubt he uses another season of his career which about to start winding down as he'll be 28 to play for peanuts again. He's going to want to get locked up. Chris Smith numbers this year told us what's to come.

I agree, but he isn't going into that 4 year deal WITHOUT out for the max.

The 4 year deal is security, but he's opting out inside of it for the bigger one and he knows Dolan will pay that.

JR has proven his loyalty at this point....the time to get paid is looming.
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12/29/2012  3:01 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
3G4G wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Thanks for this info. I just dream of seeing both Iman Shumpert and J.R Smith develop and grow together. With Melo and Chandler leading the way, this could be special.

There's going to be nothing special about 2 volume shooters on multi year deals leading the team going forward. And I mean nothing

True but When you have guys maxed out like Melo and Amare you really don't have a choice. JR is the best you can do. There are far worst players than JR making more money


It's not the best of what we can do it's called worst of what we can do, hence yesterday we started....


Kurt Thomas "40"

Ronnie "Elbow Gizzard Hands" Brewer

James "Oh What A Fright" White


Those 3 payers should never be on the floor at any team on any team no matter if that team is healthy or injured
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