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12/27/2012  10:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2012  10:59 AM
VDesai wrote:Easy to guard Novak without Melo on the floor to space things for him. I think Novak drawing a lot of attention out beyond the 3pt line is actually good for O. Even when he's not getting/making shots, he is freeing things up inside by drawing attention away from the basket.

There's much ado about Novak but he's playing a relatively similar game to last year, which is what we paid him to do.

Knicks could probably get a better back up then Priggy for Novacks salary and "Value".

I think the "space" he creates is much ado, when he basically takes the other teams worst defender and turns him into a shut down defender because he doesn't leave him.

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12/27/2012  10:57 AM
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Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.

Sorry but yesterday you posted in a thread that if the Knicks don't win a championship this year it will be Dolan's fault for not resigning Lin. Those might not be your exact words but that is pretty extreme for a team that is 21-8 after years of losing and mediocrtity. Hard not to see a theme or agenda in your posts when Lin/Felton seems to pop up in most of them.
In regards to Novak I think he will be fine. However, I see nothing wrong with increasing Cope's minutes. Also, something is up with Brewer. Not sure if it is an injury or confidence but he isn't playing like he did in November. I thought he came back too soon from his injury. He leg was not ready when I saw him in his first exhibition game in Cuse.
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12/27/2012  11:00 AM
VDesai wrote:Easy to guard Novak without Melo on the floor to space things for him. I think Novak drawing a lot of attention out beyond the 3pt line is actually good for O. Even when he's not getting/making shots, he is freeing things up inside by drawing attention away from the basket.

There's much ado about Novak but he's playing a relatively similar game to last year, which is what we paid him to do.

JR used to look for him, but it seems as if he's lost confidence in his ability to take/make the shot. Some kind of production other then a high priced decoy is necessary.

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12/27/2012  11:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2012  11:02 AM
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Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.


I think waste works better. Just a whole lot of waste.
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12/27/2012  11:10 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Last 5 games Novak 4-18 averaging less than 3 points

last 8 Brewer 4-22 avg less than 3 points

Novak was ill with flu the first game, and was recooperating the other 2 (said he didn't have his energy back). Then he got thumped in the head in the Laker game. Cut him some slack. We always seem to go on a run when he's on the floor, anyway whether he's scoring or not- it's strange.

Brewer's lost his confidence- we can either bury him under an avalanche of criticism or we can be patient with him and hope he comes out of it. He was a big contributor the first 6 or 7 games, so he can be a useful piece. The weird thing is not only has his shot vanished, but his defense and hussle has too- he looks like he has no idea what he is doing out there. Hope he isn't suffering from Toney Douglas syndrome.

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12/27/2012  11:16 AM
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earthmansurfer wrote:
Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.

Sorry but yesterday you posted in a thread that if the Knicks don't win a championship this year it will be Dolan's fault for not resigning Lin. Those might not be your exact words but that is pretty extreme for a team that is 21-8 after years of losing and mediocrtity. Hard not to see a theme or agenda in your posts when Lin/Felton seems to pop up in most of them.
In regards to Novak I think he will be fine. However, I see nothing wrong with increasing Cope's minutes. Also, something is up with Brewer. Not sure if it is an injury or confidence but he isn't playing like he did in November. I thought he came back too soon from his injury. He leg was not ready when I saw him in his first exhibition game in Cuse.

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12/27/2012  12:19 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Last 5 games Novak 4-18 averaging less than 3 points

last 8 Brewer 4-22 avg less than 3 points

Briggs, I can't argue with you. You are 100% right. Both of these guys aren't doing their share.

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12/27/2012  12:27 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.

haha.. good one..

but I agree with you.... but I said this before.. novak just isn't that good, when not open for threes he is useless... knicks don't push the ball at all, but novak IMO is better in an uptempo game, where the defense is scrambling or not set, he is a killer in those instances... as you said.. LIN pushed the ball, always probing, and for those filled with venom towards lin for some ridiculous reason, it can be any point guard that likes to push and find open men.. we just don't have that at this time..

As far as brewer I said this before, and I will say it again.. HE IS TRASH!

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12/27/2012  12:28 PM
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earthmansurfer wrote:
Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.

Sorry but yesterday you posted in a thread that if the Knicks don't win a championship this year it will be Dolan's fault for not resigning Lin. Those might not be your exact words but that is pretty extreme for a team that is 21-8 after years of losing and mediocrtity. Hard not to see a theme or agenda in your posts when Lin/Felton seems to pop up in most of them.
In regards to Novak I think he will be fine. However, I see nothing wrong with increasing Cope's minutes. Also, something is up with Brewer. Not sure if it is an injury or confidence but he isn't playing like he did in November. I thought he came back too soon from his injury. He leg was not ready when I saw him in his first exhibition game in Cuse.

Yes, and I hold true to those words. But don't make one guilty by association - There still can be truth there and that was my true intention with the Lin comment. Felton can copy some of what worked for Lin regarding Novak getting open. In other words, just cause I brought up Lin it doesn't mean my intentions were bad. I like the guy a lot and it is frustrating to now have this injury to Felton knowing we could have had Lin as well. (But then probably no Kidd and that is bad.)

Now, 20 - 8 is a great record, but good record or mediocre is not the point right now. It is about the end and there in lies my concern. We have issues to still deal with like Chemistry once Stat comes back, so I can't dwell on the great record too much.

I am totally with you on Cope. Him and Novak are both mediocre defenders, but cope can block shots better. Looks like he can create his own shot no problem. We can also use him like we used Novak (I mean it doesn't get more one dimensional than that and he can shoot from 3 very well thus far.)

I think Brewer is just coming back down to earth, unfortunately. Most of us here weren't taking his great 3 point shooting seriously. We knew it would end. Perhaps being on a new team or the like, got him going.

It guess we will have to deal with injuries like all teams and I like our chances. I doubt Felton will be out for a month. Anyway, perhaps Prigs gets going now. He just needs minutes and I'm much much more willing for him to learn via playing as he is after all a rookie.

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12/27/2012  12:29 PM
Anji wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.


I think waste works better. Just a whole lot of waste.

You can act like a child or address my comments that were not meant in a bad way. I have tried to make that clear.

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12/27/2012  12:35 PM
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Anji wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.


I think waste works better. Just a whole lot of waste.

You can act like a child or address my comments that were not meant in a bad way. I have tried to make that clear.


Nope, there are more options than that oh honorable barer of the Golden child's Jock strap, boiling everything down into a Linism is truly childish.
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12/27/2012  12:37 PM
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earthmansurfer wrote:
Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.

haha.. good one..

but I agree with you.... but I said this before.. novak just isn't that good, when not open for threes he is useless... knicks don't push the ball at all, but novak IMO is better in an uptempo game, where the defense is scrambling or not set, he is a killer in those instances... as you said.. LIN pushed the ball, always probing, and for those filled with venom towards lin for some ridiculous reason, it can be any point guard that likes to push and find open men.. we just don't have that at this time..

As far as brewer I said this before, and I will say it again.. HE IS TRASH!

Good point regarding Novak. Though he is still critical with regards to creating space for Melo and others to operate. (e.g. - Like maybe when Stat comes back as well). Felton is great at breaking down defense and driving to the hole. So why doesn't he just get more creative (and smart) with regards to finding (and helping) Novak to get open? We are talking about a top 3 3pt shooter in the league? And because I brought up what Lin did I am ridiculed because of "Guild by Association", which is recockulous.

Copeland can do what Novak does (right now anyway as he has a hot hand) and more - somewhat better defensively, creates his own shot and can block shots on occasion.

I think Brewer has a place defensively, for sure, but offensively, he was just hot earlier. Few if any of us are shocked by his shooting downfall. His minutes are taking a nose dive and this playing under a defensive coach (or one time defensive coach - what has happened here?)

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12/27/2012  12:42 PM
Anji wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Anji wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.


I think waste works better. Just a whole lot of waste.

You can act like a child or address my comments that were not meant in a bad way. I have tried to make that clear.


Nope, there are more options than that oh honorable barer of the Golden child's Jock strap, boiling everything down into a Linism is truly childish.

Let me break this down for you with step by step instructions:

1 - Let go of the past
2 - Think about how Felton can better create for others by using his breakdown skills (learning to kick out as Lin did with our shooters time and time again).

Go from there and don't worry that I mentioned Lin. See the truth in the "false" if that makes it easier for you.

And one last thing, please, your attempt at bardic pose is painful, though oddly admirable. Ok, keep it up, you are sort of growing on me (where is the wart cream)...

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12/27/2012  12:49 PM
Nope, see you at the next "I think I can sniff Lins strap in here" thread.

Lord knows you'll be there, that's pretty much the only time you post.

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12/27/2012  12:52 PM
Anji wrote:
VDesai wrote:Easy to guard Novak without Melo on the floor to space things for him. I think Novak drawing a lot of attention out beyond the 3pt line is actually good for O. Even when he's not getting/making shots, he is freeing things up inside by drawing attention away from the basket.

There's much ado about Novak but he's playing a relatively similar game to last year, which is what we paid him to do.

Knicks could probably get a better back up then Priggy for Novacks salary and "Value".

I think the "space" he creates is much ado, when he basically takes the other teams worst defender and turns him into a shut down defender because he doesn't leave him.


Yeah pretty much. The Lakers put Nash on him and he basically only had worry about expending energy on offense until Novak came out. I do blame Woody a little for not drawing plays to get him involved, but after watching some of those games over during that Knicksmas marathon Novak doesnt move much himself. He just kind of stands there.
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12/27/2012  12:58 PM
Brewer would be the guy I would release if I needed a roster spot for Felton replacement. We could use a nice combo 1-2 much more so than a 6-8 220 G who cant score and doesnt move well.
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12/27/2012  1:02 PM
Anji wrote:Nope, see you at the next "I think I can sniff Lins strap in here" thread.

Lord knows you'll be there, that's pretty much the only time you post.

A bit of advice for you in general. Just because you don't agree with a person/belief/position says/is, that doesn't mean there isn't something there to learn. Everyone/thing has something to give - no matter how high or low. The more you close off, the less you learn, the less possibilities you ponder, etc. The key is to pull out the true bits, but not close off completely or let the part you don't agree with scare you off.

Good luck to ya

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12/27/2012  1:02 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Brewer would be the guy I would release if I needed a roster spot for Felton replacement. We could use a nice combo 1-2 much more so than a 6-8 220 G who cant score and doesnt move well.

I agree but Brewer can't be waived. Only Cope and Sheed have non-guaranteed contracts and they are going nowhere

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12/27/2012  1:06 PM
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Anji wrote:
VDesai wrote:Easy to guard Novak without Melo on the floor to space things for him. I think Novak drawing a lot of attention out beyond the 3pt line is actually good for O. Even when he's not getting/making shots, he is freeing things up inside by drawing attention away from the basket.

There's much ado about Novak but he's playing a relatively similar game to last year, which is what we paid him to do.

Knicks could probably get a better back up then Priggy for Novacks salary and "Value".

I think the "space" he creates is much ado, when he basically takes the other teams worst defender and turns him into a shut down defender because he doesn't leave him.


Yeah pretty much. The Lakers put Nash on him and he basically only had worry about expending energy on offense until Novak came out. I do blame Woody a little for not drawing plays to get him involved, but after watching some of those games over during that Knicksmas marathon Novak doesnt move much himself. He just kind of stands there.

Remember, I think it was during the playoffs?, when the coach created a nice play to free up Novak on a screen. I think there was a moving block in there by Chandler as well (but that was a bit away from the play), but regardless, it was a nice play. Good point on the worst defender covering Novak, actually that hadn't crossed my mind. If Melo and JR (and even Felton) can create their own shots, then why aren't plays being run for Novak? I've long wondered why plays aren't drawn up to free up a top 3pt shooter in the league.

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12/27/2012  1:07 PM
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tkf wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Anji wrote:Rather address Novak and Brewer in the appropriate setting. But I know went the heart flutters, things like that fall by the waste.

I brought up a valid way Felton can help Novak to get him open (I see no help for Brewer). I used Lin as an example - he played well with Novak. Now, instead of focusing on that part, why not take part in the actual constructive thought? I enjoyed your attempt at poetry though. "when" the heart flutters... and "fall by the wayside" - I think you meant.

haha.. good one..

but I agree with you.... but I said this before.. novak just isn't that good, when not open for threes he is useless... knicks don't push the ball at all, but novak IMO is better in an uptempo game, where the defense is scrambling or not set, he is a killer in those instances... as you said.. LIN pushed the ball, always probing, and for those filled with venom towards lin for some ridiculous reason, it can be any point guard that likes to push and find open men.. we just don't have that at this time..

As far as brewer I said this before, and I will say it again.. HE IS TRASH!

Good point regarding Novak. Though he is still critical with regards to creating space for Melo and others to operate. (e.g. - Like maybe when Stat comes back as well). Felton is great at breaking down defense and driving to the hole. So why doesn't he just get more creative (and smart) with regards to finding (and helping) Novak to get open? We are talking about a top 3 3pt shooter in the league? And because I brought up what Lin did I am ridiculed because of "Guild by Association", which is recockulous.

Copeland can do what Novak does (right now anyway as he has a hot hand) and more - somewhat better defensively, creates his own shot and can block shots on occasion.

I think Brewer has a place defensively, for sure, but offensively, he was just hot earlier. Few if any of us are shocked by his shooting downfall. His minutes are taking a nose dive and this playing under a defensive coach (or one time defensive coach - what has happened here?)

I agree, felton can penetrate, but what you see from felton is what you get, he has been in the league for a while now, felton is what he is, not sure if you are going to get him to change now...

novak is good as a floor spacer, but he also needs Space, to get his shot off, and we have to find ways to do that.. copeland really can't do what novak does, just not that good of a shooter.. actually copeland somewhat irritates me with the way he plays.. he gets the ball and has tunnel vision, he is going to shoot regardless, I am not a fan of that...

you made a good point, novak is a weapon, but we have to be able to utilize that weapon.. teams are not leaving him open tho, the word is out for sure...

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