misterearl wrote:Sit Shump until Summer League.

C: Tyson Chandler.
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire.
SF: Carmelo Anthony.
2G: Iman Shumpert.
PG: Raymond Felton.

C: Marcus Camby.
PF: Rasheed Wallace/Thomas.
SF: Ronnie Brewer/Novak.
2G: J.R Smith.
PG: Jason Kidd/Pablo.

That's my 13 man rotation come game-night. Everyone playing and backing up their natural position.

But, what about Copeland? Would you replace Rasheed, Pablo or Thomas with Copeland? Tough call.

I love that starting 5. You have a young up and coming (potential) New York star in Shumpert being surrounded by veteran leaders. Great position for Shumpert moving forward. You'll have a PG in Felton with two BIG's in Chandler and Stoudemire who can both feast at the rim. Then you have Melo leading the way. Also lots of strong defensive talent in Shumpert, Melo and Chandler. Rebounding in Melo, Amar'e and Tyson. An athletic slasher in Shumpert. Etc, etc.

I also ove our backup unit with Kidd as the leader. J.R Smith coming off the bench for instant offense. Brewer as a strong defender. Novak as a 3 point gunner. Old veterans such as Pablo, Thomas and Camby. Etc, etc. Mostly, I love the fact how we'll be able to keep Kidd fresh for our postseason run.

Come playoff time? I may want Kidd starting.

Looks like Shumps is probably going to scrimmage in about two weeks starting on court extra conditioning work this week.

fishmike wrote:NBA teams dont play 13, they play 8, maybe 9

No crap. That's because NBA teams have never been 13 deep. When this Knicks team is at full strength? We're 13 deep.

Raymond Felton.
Jason Kidd.
Pablo Prigioni
J.R Smith.
Iman Shumpert.
Ronnie Brewer.
Carmelo Anthony.
Steve Novak.
Amar'e Stoudemire.
Rasheed Wallace.
Kurt Thomas.
Marcus Camby.
Tyson Chandler.

So, NBA teams "only play" 8 or 9 men? Not this NBA team. But, if that's the case... Please name 5 players in which coach Woodson is "not going to play".

As of right now we have 10 guys all averaging over 10 minutes per game. Which throws away your claim of NBA teams "only play 8, maybe 9". Once Shumpert, Stoudemire and Camby return? That's 13 players in which will be getting playing time. Some minutes may be cut in order to spell some players, but all 13 players will be getting burn time.

playa2 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

fishmike wrote:NBA teams dont play 13, they play 8, maybe 9

No crap. That's because NBA teams have never been 13 deep. When this Knicks team is at full strength? We're 13 deep.

Raymond Felton.
Jason Kidd.
Pablo Prigioni
J.R Smith.
Iman Shumpert.
Ronnie Brewer.
Carmelo Anthony.
Steve Novak.
Amar'e Stoudemire.
Rasheed Wallace.
Kurt Thomas.
Marcus Camby.
Tyson Chandler.

So, NBA teams "only play" 8 or 9 men? Not this NBA team. But, if that's the case... Please name 5 players in which coach Woodson is "not going to play".

Better off , who's going to be healthy in a 82 game season, injuries occur all year. Some of these guys are long in the tooth and might be available only so many games this year.

The notion that our Knicks are old is a myth.

The only players in whom are old are Kidd, Rasheed, Kurt and Camby. Three of these guys are backups as strong depth off the bench. True role players.

We'll have lots of guards needed in order to keep Kidd fresh come postseason play in Felton, Pablo, J.R Smith, Iman Shumpert and Brewer. In regards to Rasheed, Kurt and Camby? This is a blessing. We'll be able to split time between Camby, Kurt and Rasheed moving forward (epecially once Stoudemire returns).

None of Camby, Sheed and/or Kurt should average 20+ minutes per game, but together, all should average around 10-12 minutes per game when healthy. Helping spell the likes of Chandler and Stoudemire.

NYKMentality wrote:

fishmike wrote:NBA teams dont play 13, they play 8, maybe 9

No crap. That's because NBA teams have never been 13 deep. When this Knicks team is at full strength? We're 13 deep.

Raymond Felton.
Jason Kidd.
Pablo Prigioni
J.R Smith.
Iman Shumpert.
Ronnie Brewer.
Carmelo Anthony.
Steve Novak.
Amar'e Stoudemire.
Rasheed Wallace.
Kurt Thomas.
Marcus Camby.
Tyson Chandler.

So, NBA teams "only play" 8 or 9 men? Not this NBA team. But, if that's the case... Please name 5 players in which coach Woodson is "not going to play".

As of right now we have 10 guys all averaging over 10 minutes per game. Which throws away your claim of NBA teams "only play 8, maybe 9". Once Shumpert, Stoudemire and Camby return? That's 13 players in which will be getting playing time. Some minutes may be cut in order to spell some players, but all 13 players will be getting burn time.

When the Knicks are at full strength, Pablo, Sheed and Kurt are going to be riding the pine. I would imagine they will only be used in blow outs...Pablo and Kurt barely play now.

IF the Bulls waive him and he becomes available, CAN we pick him up WITHOUT waiving anyone on our roster and see if he can contribute

With Iman still recovering and getting in shape and with only Felton, Pablo, the only 2 PGs on our roster, *Kidd is mainly SG, rarely PG with his lack of speed, quickness, and age*

Adding Nate would make sense, to give us some speed, quickness, and more importantly, PENETRATION.
He is improved much with his ability to facilitate, TO's, passing, mid range game, and his 3point shooting.
I can see him being used like a JJ Barea was utilized in Dallas to win a ring.
Defensively, he is small and will always be under valued, but he is quick and fast enough to defend the speedy/quick guards in the league, a reason why Houston destroyed us both times.

I know Iman is working out really hard but I think it will be a great pick up and insurance policy if he becomes available
So is it possible to have 16 players under contract like what Toronto has done with the addition of Pietrus with their injuries?

With J.R Smith, Nate Robinson and Steve Novak off the bench? That's instant scoring if I've ever seen it. J.R Smith is more like a starter when compared to a role playing bench player ala only Melo and Felton average more minutes per game when compared to J.R (as of right now). Give us Nate Robinson, and you're giving us true scoring power off the bench.

He's matured as a basketball player dating back to his 5 years with the Knicks. He's currently averaging 21.1 minutes, 10.8 points, 3.6 assits when compared to only 1.7 turnovers, 2.1 boards, 0.8 steals per game along with a shooting percentage of .423%. Also sinks his free throws at a clip of .848%. His Player Efficiency Rating of 16.2 is 3rd on Chicago's team only behind Noah and Boozer. Raymond Felton has an Efficiency Rating of 16.1 (in comparison).

He's only 28 years of age and we'll need all the fire power we can gain in order to win a championship come postseason play. There is not a single Knicks fan within our fan base that can state Robinson is not a major upgrade over the likes of James White. He's a much different player when compared to 2009-2010; he's matured as a player.

NYKMentality wrote:

fishmike wrote:NBA teams dont play 13, they play 8, maybe 9

No crap. That's because NBA teams have never been 13 deep. When this Knicks team is at full strength? We're 13 deep.

Raymond Felton.
Jason Kidd.
Pablo Prigioni
J.R Smith.
Iman Shumpert.
Ronnie Brewer.
Carmelo Anthony.
Steve Novak.
Amar'e Stoudemire.
Rasheed Wallace.
Kurt Thomas.
Marcus Camby.
Tyson Chandler.

So, NBA teams "only play" 8 or 9 men? Not this NBA team. But, if that's the case... Please name 5 players in which coach Woodson is "not going to play".

As of right now we have 10 guys all averaging over 10 minutes per game. Which throws away your claim of NBA teams "only play 8, maybe 9". Once Shumpert, Stoudemire and Camby return? That's 13 players in which will be getting playing time. Some minutes may be cut in order to spell some players, but all 13 players will be getting burn time.