tkf wrote:pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation".

Not to get off topic because this is one hell of a thread. An all-time great in Kobe Bryant making it known that Carmelo Anthony's his toughest NBA cover in the game today. But now you're straight up trolling. Nothing new either TKF. On RealGM no one asked you to support Gallo each and every chance you got while crapping all over Carmelo Anthony, but yet, you did it anyway. Now you've came over here to UltimateKnicks and have contined to do the same exact thing(s) here as you did over on RealGM as a mod; which is A.) Support Gallo to the fullest while B.) Crapping all over Carmelo Anthony each and every chance you get. You're becoming a flat out troll TKF. Your post above just goes to show your trollish behavior and/or ways (as a poster). You accuse others of bailting left and right but yet, you're the one who's taken your full blown hatred for Carmelo from RealGM over here to UltimateKnics. Look in the mirror before accusing others of "baiting".

tkf wrote:pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"

That is down right trolling and baiting at the same time. I don't wanna get banned due to arguing and/or going back and forth with a poster such as yourself. My love for talking about our Knicks is too strong for that. I should've learned my lession from past experience at the other place. But you're extreme with it. What makes it (even more) pathetic is how you put the word conversation is quotes as if Melo's not in the conversation for league MVP. NBA.Com has Melo on the rise for MVP contension at number two overall behind only Kevin Durant. Melo's on the rise (green arrow going up) at number two overall while LeBron James is on the decline (red arrow going down) at number three overall. Zach Randolph and Kobe Bryant round out the top 5.

Also, it's no longer "Novemeber". We're now in December. December 13th to be exact. And Carmelo Anthony is ranked 2nd behind only Kevin Durant in regards to the MVP race. But yet, you've stated as a way of trolling and baiting (I bit the bait too) that Melo's not even in the "conversation".

God forbid I mention Gallo sucking during the NBA gameday thread (3/13 shooting with only 9 points against an awful Pistons team) your panties go into bunches while you called me out as "baiting". The difference? I was man enough to respect Andrew and leave it at that. Stated 'carry on' and haven't returned to that thread ever since. Now, my question for you is... What are you doing in this thread? Why are you here? What's your point? Is it to tell us how "wrong we really are" in regards to Melo as you did for years on end over on RealGM? Some things never change...

tkf wrote:

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

There are people - that actually have a vote - that have said Melo is leading the MVP race at this point. That is all that really matters. You can hate and dislike Melo (your prerogative) - however - this incessant claim that Melo has no shot at MVP is flat out wrong AND opposed by people that actually vote for the award. The VOTERS disagree with you. If the Knicks can win the East my expectation is that Melo will get the award because the Knicks will have been perceived as greatly overachieving and Melo will get credited for this alleged over-achievement.

LeBron is at the juncture MJ was at where voters will tire of giving it to him and LeBron will have to do something beyond his standard numbers to get the award. That is my guess. I could be wrong. That leaves, imo, Melo and Durant. Durant's team is expected to win and at this point get to the finals since the Laker's have been terrible. I don't know if merely meeting expectations will get Durant the award. It does help that Durant has increased his rebounding and assists while maintaining his massively efficient scoring. The award will go to Melo or Durant. Either would be deserving if their teams keep up their current pace.

The way melo is playing now, is exactly how amare was playing the 1st 3 1/2 months of his knick tenure.

I think his assist should easily go up to 5pg, and he should finish at around 23ppg 7.5rb 5ast..are those MVP #s?

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Stop it already. It's Lebron, KD, and everyone else.

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

It doesn't really matter for me if Melo's in the conversation or not, or if he's top 3 or top 15.

He's balling and leading our #1 place 16-5 team. He's playing "the right way". Isn't that all that matters to us as Knicks fans?

clearly it doesnt.
Like I said in prior posts, Ewing was my favorite Knick and MElo's NBA accomplishments dont sniff Ewing's jock. Back when the FAN was just getting popular and it was the only sports talk on the radio I remember tons of callers used to argue Ewing's MVP status. For me it was just win. Clearly some here would prefer to cling to other things. Shockingly the forum was once a good discussion place for hoops before it became ultimateMelo.com

Knicks off the best start like ever, so of course their best player is going to be in the MVP discussion. Right now its probably KD, Lebron, CP3 then Duncan and Melo about a tie for 4th. Is it close? Always is, but after 80 games Melo will be an afterthought.

Billups first year in Denver Melo mad adjustments, had his best year, played "the right way" and Nuggets when to WCF. He had better stats that year and still finished like 6th.

He's a scorer. Enjoy his scoring ;)

Ewing is irrelevant to this discussion. I don't see how Ewing's play in the 90's is some bar or qualifier to Melo's winning an MVP in 2013. I have not heard anyone that actually votes for the award say "well Ewing never won the award therefore MELO is banned from winning the award so long as he wears a Knick jersey!!!!!"

2. Is winning more important? Of course

3. Is it wrong to think a player on the team YOU root for has a shoot at winning this award? Nope

4. Is it any different from saying Tyson is DPOY or Jr has a chance at sixth man of the year? Nope, but here is the hypocrisy

5. Is Kobe just paying a compliment or really believe what he's saying? Well, any fan of the game knows Kobe speaks his mind, no matter what. We all remember just last year when Kobe told Melo he don't play defense. So if he's saying that RIGHT NOW Melo is playing MVP basketball and the Knicks have a shot as a team to win it ... Take it for what's it worth. Melo and the team has improved. Anybody that can't see the effort, focus and maturity is blinded by hate.

6. Does what Kobe say matter? Well he's only the second greatest SG that ever played.

7. Bottom line, why are some people madd about a player on the Knicks being in the MVP conversation ... who cares if he's top 3 or top 5 .. this year we have a top 3 or top 5 talent, be happy!! The chance to discredit anything Melo does at this point is very alarming. I couldn't spend such energy on one person.

8. By the way ... did I mention we are 16-5!!! Haters gon hate

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Stop it already. It's Lebron, KD, and everyone else.

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

It doesn't really matter for me if Melo's in the conversation or not, or if he's top 3 or top 15.

He's balling and leading our #1 place 16-5 team. He's playing "the right way". Isn't that all that matters to us as Knicks fans?

clearly it doesnt.
Like I said in prior posts, Ewing was my favorite Knick and MElo's NBA accomplishments dont sniff Ewing's jock. Back when the FAN was just getting popular and it was the only sports talk on the radio I remember tons of callers used to argue Ewing's MVP status. For me it was just win. Clearly some here would prefer to cling to other things. Shockingly the forum was once a good discussion place for hoops before it became ultimateMelo.com

Knicks off the best start like ever, so of course their best player is going to be in the MVP discussion. Right now its probably KD, Lebron, CP3 then Duncan and Melo about a tie for 4th. Is it close? Always is, but after 80 games Melo will be an afterthought.

Billups first year in Denver Melo mad adjustments, had his best year, played "the right way" and Nuggets when to WCF. He had better stats that year and still finished like 6th.

He's a scorer. Enjoy his scoring ;)

Wrong. Right now its Durant, Melo/Lebron, etc. I haven't heard Chris Paul's and Tim Duncan's name nearly as much as I've heard Melo's on pretty much every channel, station, article, etc.

Looks like the truth is something you consistently choose to ignore, along with my posts.

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Stop it already. It's Lebron, KD, and everyone else.

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

It doesn't really matter for me if Melo's in the conversation or not, or if he's top 3 or top 15.

He's balling and leading our #1 place 16-5 team. He's playing "the right way". Isn't that all that matters to us as Knicks fans?

clearly it doesnt.
Like I said in prior posts, Ewing was my favorite Knick and MElo's NBA accomplishments dont sniff Ewing's jock. Back when the FAN was just getting popular and it was the only sports talk on the radio I remember tons of callers used to argue Ewing's MVP status. For me it was just win. Clearly some here would prefer to cling to other things. Shockingly the forum was once a good discussion place for hoops before it became ultimateMelo.com

Knicks off the best start like ever, so of course their best player is going to be in the MVP discussion. Right now its probably KD, Lebron, CP3 then Duncan and Melo about a tie for 4th. Is it close? Always is, but after 80 games Melo will be an afterthought.

Billups first year in Denver Melo mad adjustments, had his best year, played "the right way" and Nuggets when to WCF. He had better stats that year and still finished like 6th.

He's a scorer. Enjoy his scoring ;)

Ewing is irrelevant to this discussion. I don't see how Ewing's play in the 90's is some bar or qualifier to Melo's winning an MVP in 2013. I have not heard anyone that actually votes for the award say "well Ewing never won the award therefore MELO is banned from winning the award so long as he wears a Knick jersey!!!!!"

For Melo to be in the discussion he need to go out and guard and lock down the opposition's best scoring wing. If he's doing that while scoring 25ppg he will be an MVP candidate.

Wrong.

For Melo to be in the discussion, the Knicks need to keep winning.

knicks1248 wrote:he's also not going to keep up that scoring pace when amare and shump return.

The way melo is playing now, is exactly how amare was playing the 1st 3 1/2 months of his knick tenure.

I think his assist should easily go up to 5pg, and he should finish at around 23ppg 7.5rb 5ast..are those MVP #s?

Exactly. So he won't win MVP. Why everyone fans and media are even discussing this 21 games in is beyong me. There were Melo MVP chants 6 games into the season. It is a 72 game season and Amare is returning

I really thought Mike D'Antoni was a good coach and Melo was the problem. What has happened so far this season is the exact opposite. Melo has gone from being a public enemy for Knick fans to one of the best players of the season. I have no problem with people calling him MVP.

Silverfuel wrote:I don't know why it matters if fans are cheering for Melo to get an MVP? This team has had so little to cheer about since 1999. Now we have a winning team and a damn good basketball player. Remember, he chose to come to the Knicks. Just let them cheer and chant MVP.

I really thought Mike D'Antoni was a good coach and Melo was the problem. What has happened so far this season is the exact opposite. Melo has gone from being a public enemy for Knick fans to one of the best players of the season. I have no problem with people calling him MVP.

Well said. I thought the same with George Karl, but that's proving to be opposite for me as well.

Silverfuel wrote:I don't know why it matters if fans are cheering for Melo to get an MVP? This team has had so little to cheer about since 1999. Now we have a winning team and a damn good basketball player. Remember, he chose to come to the Knicks. Just let them cheer and chant MVP.

I really thought Mike D'Antoni was a good coach and Melo was the problem. What has happened so far this season is the exact opposite. Melo has gone from being a public enemy for Knick fans to one of the best players of the season. I have no problem with people calling him MVP.

It would be awesome if a Knick won mvp. I'm sure everyone would love to see it. I'm personally not going to get involved in the chants 21 games in but if he is still in contention for MVP in March I will certainly pull for him.