FoeDiddy wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is where Amare fits in

Habits will have set in by then. Shooting deep perimeter shots as a first option is a habit not an adaptive style of play nor one that leans to mixing styles. It's not like we were ever fine tuned with Amar'e. Amar'e will have his knee on his mind when he plays too.

Shooting deep perimeter shots is not the first option. the shots are coming from plays, deep penetration, drives and kicks and more. This team rarely looks out of control and most of the time are taking shots they wanted to take. It's not a chuck fest out there. I've already seen plenty of times already this season if we get cold from outside Melo & Felton makes a effort to drive and get to the foul line. We have a coach that makes common sense adjustments.

The team is running this style to shoot the 3ball, ISO Melo, or throw lobs..... not layups, midrange shots, shots off screens, backdoors, pts in the paint, from the post, from the elbow....etc etc. Our players stay perimeter the majority of the game. It is a chuckfest it just doesn't look like it because we're making the shots wait till they stop falling. It's the very reason we have big leads yet teams are never truly out of the game.

Not true at all. Melo, Chandler & Felton get plenty of lay up opportunities. Melo & Felton get plays called for elbow jumpers.

One of the big differences of the team in comparison from the past is when we get a big lead we keep it besides a couple of games. Look at our Margin of Victory average and that knocks your argument out the water. When teams get down 10 to us it never seems like they will come back unlike previous seasons. We play Defense so it discourages teams from coming back. How many games has Melo sat out a majority of final quarter. Your views seem to be very cloudy.

Nah. We just play chuck and duck ball. Woodson is one dimensional, a one trick pony!

LOL we got some wild cowboys on this board..just spitting out Barkleyisms. The most efficient offense in the league is a chuckfest now..riiiigggghhht

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Nalod wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is where Amare fits in

Habits will have set in by then. Shooting deep perimeter shots as a first option is a habit not an adaptive style of play nor one that leans to mixing styles. It's not like we were ever fine tuned with Amar'e. Amar'e will have his knee on his mind when he plays too.

Shooting deep perimeter shots is not the first option. the shots are coming from plays, deep penetration, drives and kicks and more. This team rarely looks out of control and most of the time are taking shots they wanted to take. It's not a chuck fest out there. I've already seen plenty of times already this season if we get cold from outside Melo & Felton makes a effort to drive and get to the foul line. We have a coach that makes common sense adjustments.

The team is running this style to shoot the 3ball, ISO Melo, or throw lobs..... not layups, midrange shots, shots off screens, backdoors, pts in the paint, from the post, from the elbow....etc etc. Our players stay perimeter the majority of the game. It is a chuckfest it just doesn't look like it because we're making the shots wait till they stop falling. It's the very reason we have big leads yet teams are never truly out of the game.

Not true at all. Melo, Chandler & Felton get plenty of lay up opportunities. Melo & Felton get plays called for elbow jumpers.

One of the big differences of the team in comparison from the past is when we get a big lead we keep it besides a couple of games. Look at our Margin of Victory average and that knocks your argument out the water. When teams get down 10 to us it never seems like they will come back unlike previous seasons. We play Defense so it discourages teams from coming back. How many games has Melo sat out a majority of final quarter. Your views seem to be very cloudy.

Nah. We just play chuck and duck ball. Woodson is one dimensional, a one trick pony!

LOL we got some wild cowboys on this board..just spitting out Barkleyisms. The most efficient offense in the league is a chuckfest now..riiiigggghhht

Written by a guy named "ChuckBuck".

Might have something to do with it?

MS wrote:People aren't looking for a negative. It's not sustainable.

The Knicks shoot 28 free throws a game and 20.7 free throws. That number should never be higher. Jason Kidd is injured and will likely be in and out of the lineup.

They need to limit some of there deep balls and continue to be aggressive.

No one said it's not sustainable but the posts leads one to believe that it's gonna bottom out. We have great shooters shooting these shots. so if it dips from 40% to 35% is that gonna cost us wins when our average margin is 8+. To it's definitely looking for a negative. We aren't winning because of our 3 point shooting. I would understand the logic if our wins were based solely on hot 3 point shooting. We Defend and We don't turn the ball over. That's why we are winning and winning easily most of the time. I don't think we need to adjust anything until it's not working. What's the point of making changes towards anticipation of not making open shots?? Defeatist attitude.

Anji wrote:Knicks don't beat them self(their self???) and they take wide open shots that usually starts after a post up.

I'll take that all season.

yup, yup. Not like they are just jacking up bad or contested 3's. They are taking good wide open shots which, I feel confident they can knock down.

gunsnewing wrote:Knicks are forced to play this way. We dont have a legitimate option to score inside besides chandlers putbacks for now. Melo isnt big enough to stay inside. They have to take perimeter shots otherwise they will get blocked and turn the ball over

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is where Amare fits in

Habits will have set in by then. Shooting deep perimeter shots as a first option is a habit not an adaptive style of play nor one that leans to mixing styles. It's not like we were ever fine tuned with Amar'e. Amar'e will have his knee on his mind when he plays too.

Shooting deep perimeter shots is not the first option. the shots are coming from plays, deep penetration, drives and kicks and more. This team rarely looks out of control and most of the time are taking shots they wanted to take. It's not a chuck fest out there. I've already seen plenty of times already this season if we get cold from outside Melo & Felton makes a effort to drive and get to the foul line. We have a coach that makes common sense adjustments.

The team is running this style to shoot the 3ball, ISO Melo, or throw lobs..... not layups, midrange shots, shots off screens, backdoors, pts in the paint, from the post, from the elbow....etc etc. Our players stay perimeter the majority of the game. It is a chuckfest it just doesn't look like it because we're making the shots wait till they stop falling. It's the very reason we have big leads yet teams are never truly out of the game.

we are next to last in points in the paint.... we are not driving and kicking, heck, we are not driving much at all...not sure what people are looking at...

Yeah we're doing some weaves and circling out of screens towards the perimeter...mixed with PNR play

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is where Amare fits in

Habits will have set in by then. Shooting deep perimeter shots as a first option is a habit not an adaptive style of play nor one that leans to mixing styles. It's not like we were ever fine tuned with Amar'e. Amar'e will have his knee on his mind when he plays too.

Shooting deep perimeter shots is not the first option. the shots are coming from plays, deep penetration, drives and kicks and more. This team rarely looks out of control and most of the time are taking shots they wanted to take. It's not a chuck fest out there. I've already seen plenty of times already this season if we get cold from outside Melo & Felton makes a effort to drive and get to the foul line. We have a coach that makes common sense adjustments.

The team is running this style to shoot the 3ball, ISO Melo, or throw lobs..... not layups, midrange shots, shots off screens, backdoors, pts in the paint, from the post, from the elbow....etc etc. Our players stay perimeter the majority of the game. It is a chuckfest it just doesn't look like it because we're making the shots wait till they stop falling. It's the very reason we have big leads yet teams are never truly out of the game.

Not true at all. Melo, Chandler & Felton get plenty of lay up opportunities. Melo & Felton get plays called for elbow jumpers.

One of the big differences of the team in comparison from the past is when we get a big lead we keep it besides a couple of games. Look at our Margin of Victory average and that knocks your argument out the water. When teams get down 10 to us it never seems like they will come back unlike previous seasons. We play Defense so it discourages teams from coming back. How many games has Melo sat out a majority of final quarter. Your views seem to be very cloudy.

Nah. We just play chuck and duck ball. Woodson is one dimensional, a one trick pony!

LOL we got some wild cowboys on this board..just spitting out Barkleyisms. The most efficient offense in the league is a chuckfest now..riiiigggghhht

that was a result of some unsustainable shooting percentages.... Lets look at our efficiency rating as the games move on.. already some of the guys shooting % have dropped a bit.... we don't get many points in the paint or close to the basket, over time, that will show up my friend... and not in a good way..

if we are to be a good playoff team we need to force turnovers and make points off of them. and our primary ballhandlers need to get to the line a bunch. that means, god help me, that melo and smith and felton need to draw more fouls and convert free throws.

melo 7.3 should be 10-11 57.7TS probably his peak and not going to get it done in the playoffs
smif 2.7 should be 6-7 52.2TS not going to get it done in playoffs
felt 1.5 should be 5-6 50.3TS not going to get it done in playoffs

bernard wrote:We've got 6 guys -- Kidd, JR, Melo, Novak, Brewer and Felton -- over 40%, all in the top 35 in the league. That's amazing, particularly since we shoot so many 3's. I don't know what happens when those numbers start to decline -- and it's hard to imagine they won't (particularly for Brewer and Felton). Do we keep playing the same way, and just score a little less? Do we stop shooting quite so many?

If we want some things to worry about, it'd be this, our incredibly low turnover rate (also perhaps not sustainable) and our weak rebounding, which I fear is something we aren't likely to turn around with the guys we got.

This and what happens when Amare comes back are my two biggest worries. We seem very reliant on 3-pointers; when they're falling we look practically unbeatable but when they aren't we don't look very good. I'm hoping to see more posting and driving, especially from Melo, in the near future.

yellowboy90 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is where Amare fits in

Habits will have set in by then. Shooting deep perimeter shots as a first option is a habit not an adaptive style of play nor one that leans to mixing styles. It's not like we were ever fine tuned with Amar'e. Amar'e will have his knee on his mind when he plays too.

Shooting deep perimeter shots is not the first option. the shots are coming from plays, deep penetration, drives and kicks and more. This team rarely looks out of control and most of the time are taking shots they wanted to take. It's not a chuck fest out there. I've already seen plenty of times already this season if we get cold from outside Melo & Felton makes a effort to drive and get to the foul line. We have a coach that makes common sense adjustments.

The team is running this style to shoot the 3ball, ISO Melo, or throw lobs..... not layups, midrange shots, shots off screens, backdoors, pts in the paint, from the post, from the elbow....etc etc. Our players stay perimeter the majority of the game. It is a chuckfest it just doesn't look like it because we're making the shots wait till they stop falling. It's the very reason we have big leads yet teams are never truly out of the game.

Not true at all. Melo, Chandler & Felton get plenty of lay up opportunities. Melo & Felton get plays called for elbow jumpers.

One of the big differences of the team in comparison from the past is when we get a big lead we keep it besides a couple of games. Look at our Margin of Victory average and that knocks your argument out the water. When teams get down 10 to us it never seems like they will come back unlike previous seasons. We play Defense so it discourages teams from coming back. How many games has Melo sat out a majority of final quarter. Your views seem to be very cloudy.

Nah. We just play chuck and duck ball. Woodson is one dimensional, a one trick pony!

LOL we got some wild cowboys on this board..just spitting out Barkleyisms. The most efficient offense in the league is a chuckfest now..riiiigggghhht

that was a result of some unsustainable shooting percentages.... Lets look at our efficiency rating as the games move on.. already some of the guys shooting % have dropped a bit.... we don't get many points in the paint or close to the basket, over time, that will show up my friend... and not in a good way..

if we are to be a good playoff team we need to force turnovers and make points off of them. and our primary ballhandlers need to get to the line a bunch. that means, god help me, that melo and smith and felton need to draw more fouls and convert free throws.

melo 7.3 should be 10-11 57.7TS probably his peak and not going to get it done in the playoffs
smif 2.7 should be 6-7 52.2TS not going to get it done in playoffs
felt 1.5 should be 5-6 50.3TS not going to get it done in playoffs

What seed will the Knicks be oh future teller. Also, how many times will Amar'e go to the line.

can't prognosticate as it's too early to spot trends and i haven't seen the other teams enough. you guys want to spooge over a 12-4 record. didn't they warn you that spooging makes you myopic?

amare is a whole other story but if it's true he'd be willing to come off the bench that would be a pretty big deal. if so i look forward to seeing prigioni and stat working pick and roll.