Bonn1997 wrote:Note that Kidd and Tyson are now both in the top four in the NBA in Win Shares per 48 min.

Noted, winshares are a stupid stat.

Love the captain getting his juices brewing and JKidd is a valued leader of this team, it's a dumb ass stat and i am ready for the next baseball guy to "reinvent" the game of basketball.

tj23 wrote:Great role player, leader. Directs the offense as a second pg. I think he's pretty key for us but I'll still take Stat or Shump over him probably. Shump's harassing D has been missed and Kidd's lost a big step. We need someone like Stat to generate some more offense. Kidd is a fantastic role player, but we could use another offensive initiator.

Great point & that is problem i have with coach woody when his/our prize 2 JR Smith n Novacs are inconsistent thus off

The kid Copeland & Paublo are 2way players which must see more time other than garbage time or
Knicks better go out and get a more offensive minded guard. Keep in mind when Shump is back neither he
Or Kidd or R.Brewer are considered offensive guards, thus i like to see more offense type guard & other than
Felton he is only one who puts pressure on D with his penetrating & passing.

Bonn1997 wrote:Yup, it's idiotic to give the credit to the players A) who have the best sabermetric stats and B) whose arrivals actually coincide with a turnaround in the franchise's success.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yup, it's idiotic to give the credit to the players A) who have the best sabermetric stats and B) whose arrivals actually coincide with a turnaround in the franchise's success.

The turnaround started when the coaching changed happened. COY?

Pretty much...

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Kidd is the MVRP or most valuable role player. He is needed to take the team to the next level but isn't going to carry the team on his back to a 50win season at this stage of his career. He is able to excell because he isn't asked to do so as well. He bring high efficiency, intangibles, leadership, high IQ etc... A lot of the things that are considered Melo's weakness and Melo brings high production which covers for Kidds inability to do so at this stage of his career. Thats what good teams do, cover each other's weaknesses. Brewer was playing a big part of that as well at the begining of the season which is why when everything was clicking we were destroying everyone playing perfect basketball. As was Felton who has made plays in critical moments like the Spurs game.

You're right that they are each role players who cover each other's weaknesses. Melo's role is to take a ton of shots and hit an adequate amount, thereby freeing up other players to take fewer shots. I think what Melo does is replaceable much more easily than what Chandler does (no one else in the league comes close to 15 points on 7 shots per 36 min) but Melo is doing his job well and deserves credit for that. Kidd's efficiency is outstanding and very hard to replace but I'm not convinced he'll keep it up for the whole season.

LOL Melo is playing at a top 5 level and you are saying he is much more replaceable than Chandler, whose efficiency would plummet if he were forced to take more shots than the wide open point-blank under the rim looks he gets.

Melo: 35.6 minutes per game (1st). 26.4 points per game (1st). 6.7 boards per game (2nd behind Tyson Chandler). 2.1 assists per game (5th). 0.88 steals per game (6th). Player efficiency rating of 24.0 (1st).

Kidd: 26.6 minutes per game (5th). 8.0 points per game (6th). 3.1 boards per game (6th). 3.2 assists per game (2nd behind Felton). 2.0 steals per game (1st). Player efficiency rating of 19.2 (3rd).

There is only one Knicks MVP as of right now, and that's Carmelo Anthony. Felton, Kidd, Tyson Chandler, J.R Smith, Novak, Rasheed, Brewer, Pablo and Kurt Thomas have all been very important, but Melo's been our MVP hands down.

I have to hand it to Melo - he sure has turned things around this year. I am sure credit does belong to Kidd and Woodson.