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11/21/2012  7:07 PM
Lin was pretty damn good in the pick and roll when here. Not sure what J.R. is smoking
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11/21/2012  7:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/21/2012  7:11 PM
3G4G wrote:Lin was pretty damn good in the pick and roll when here. Not sure what J.R. is smoking

exactly the media asked a question and he gave a lazy spur of the moment answer. Happens all the time and then the media take what they say and run with it and sell papers. Thats why guys like Jeter and Eli never get into trouble with the media. They understand that you need to take a moment to think about what comes out of your mouth

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11/21/2012  7:11 PM
Lin was their team mate at the time. They bonded with him. They supported him. He was a turnover machine that also had a dynamic run on offense. It was exciting! He no longer is a Knick. He's having his ups and downs elsewhere. These Knicks are taking care of the ball like no other Knick squad in the recent past. Is is wrong to mention that? Is it wrong to mention that our guard play has been more mature and more decisive? It's fact. They are supporting their CURRENT team mates. Everywhere Knicks players go they will be ASKED about Lin. Their response will be something along the lines of supporting the point guards we have now. Period. The guys feel that the pg is more steady right now. And it's true. Hell, they are not the only players saying that. I guess when D Will says it he's just mad because Lin had a good game against him and when JR or Chandler says it, it's hate, jealousy and/or bashing. They are being asked about another point guard on another team (Lin). Who cares about the guys that aren't on this roster. We are winning right now and have VERY good pg play. Things are falling into place. Who cares who's running the point at Houston? And as far as the contract and what Lin has been saying about the organization or what Melo said or what JR said or what Novak said....maaaaaannnnnn who cares!
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11/21/2012  7:14 PM
I've seen Woodson, Grunwald, Amare and Tyson talk about Lin and wish him the best and that the nba is a business. JR and Melo are simpletons. They will say things without giving it thought. Since the "ridiculous" comment Melo has been doing a better job talking to the media.
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11/21/2012  7:19 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I've only heard JR criticize him in a "often mis-spoken" manner and Melo I guess with the "ridiculous contract" another prime example of "mis-speaking" as Melo's comment was taken out of context and blown up. I haven't heard anything from Woodson, Grunwald, Tyson, Amare, Novak and Shumpert who are more "well-spoken"

JR had that tweet about loyalty right around the time things started heating up with that poison pill(there was something else he did but I cant remember right now). Tyson also had that interview where he heavily criticized Lin's ability to handle the ball against playoff teams or something like that. There was some tweet about an Amare interview where the guy who tweeted it made a big deal about Amare not mentioning Lin by name but I think thats just reaching and not really a big deal.

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11/21/2012  7:35 PM
I remember Tyson. I doubt he heavily criticized Lin. Anyone have the quote?
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11/21/2012  7:41 PM
I still think the team feels he left them to dry against Miami when they really needed him. There is more to that story.
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11/21/2012  7:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/21/2012  7:51 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I remember Tyson. I doubt he heavily criticized Lin. Anyone have the quote?

He simply mentioned that the backcourt of Kidd/Felton brings more experience. He mentioned how decisive Kidd is etc. This was after he was asked the difference between this year and last year (point guard situation). I guess some people took that as him bad mouthing Lin. Fact is, if Jeremy Lin and Houston, makes it to the playoffs, it will be Lin's very first appearance in the postseason. Ever! J Kidd and to a lesser extent, Felton, have made a number a playoff appearances. I guess by Tyson mentioning that, he was "criticizing" or "bashing" Lin. smh

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11/21/2012  7:52 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:I remember Tyson. I doubt he heavily criticized Lin. Anyone have the quote?

He simply mentioned that the backcourt of Kidd/Felton brings more experience. He mentioned how decisive Kidd is etc. This was after he was asked the difference between this year and last year (point guard situation). I guess some people took that as him bad mouthing Lin. Fact is, if Jeremy Lin and Houston, makes it to the playoffs, it will be Lin's very first appearance in the postseason. Ever! J Kidd and to a lesser extent, Felton, have made a number a playoff appearances. I guess by Tyson mentioning that, he was "criticizing" or "bashing" Lin. smh


Yeah you pretty much nailed it.

Chandler told Al Iannazzone of Newsday that "Jeremy was a young point guard who was inexperienced, who brought a great light to the organization. But as far as being able to run the offense and putting players in the right positions he just wasn't there. We got some veteran point guards that are capable of doing that."

Those "veteran' guards are Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton who came over from Dallas and Portland.

"The intensity is way up and also there's also calmness when we're coming downcourt, with the point guards getting things under control and making sure we get good shots every possession," Chandler said.

I also dont think what he said was that bad but he did get some heat for it.

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11/21/2012  8:13 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:I still think the team feels he left them to dry against Miami when they really needed him. There is more to that story.

I don't think thats it. The time table was 6weeks for a return which meant 2nd round. He wasn't going to play after 5weeks and risk his career. Brewer had a medial tear of the minicus which isn't as serious and was out 6 weeks. Lin had a lateral tear which requires a longer recovery time. And I think its pretty obvious Lin still isn't 100% yet. Add the fact that the players publicly supported the decision not have to have Lin rush back. Coupled with Woodson's comments about him being the starting PG while Kidd backs him up. Matching up to a billion dollars etc. The only animosity towards Lin came from Dolan after Houston took the Knicks at their word and sweetened the pot for Lin causing Dolan to go into a frenzy

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11/21/2012  8:15 PM
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TheloniusMonk wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I remember Tyson. I doubt he heavily criticized Lin. Anyone have the quote?

He simply mentioned that the backcourt of Kidd/Felton brings more experience. He mentioned how decisive Kidd is etc. This was after he was asked the difference between this year and last year (point guard situation). I guess some people took that as him bad mouthing Lin. Fact is, if Jeremy Lin and Houston, makes it to the playoffs, it will be Lin's very first appearance in the postseason. Ever! J Kidd and to a lesser extent, Felton, have made a number a playoff appearances. I guess by Tyson mentioning that, he was "criticizing" or "bashing" Lin. smh


Yeah you pretty much nailed it.

Chandler told Al Iannazzone of Newsday that "Jeremy was a young point guard who was inexperienced, who brought a great light to the organization. But as far as being able to run the offense and putting players in the right positions he just wasn't there. We got some veteran point guards that are capable of doing that."

Those "veteran' guards are Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton who came over from Dallas and Portland.

"The intensity is way up and also there's also calmness when we're coming downcourt, with the point guards getting things under control and making sure we get good shots every possession," Chandler said.

I also dont think what he said was that bad but he did get some heat for it.

Nothing wrong with what Tyson said. He is being honest and he is right. I don't think JR's answer is as respectful and well thought out as Tyson's

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11/21/2012  8:28 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
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TheloniusMonk wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I remember Tyson. I doubt he heavily criticized Lin. Anyone have the quote?

He simply mentioned that the backcourt of Kidd/Felton brings more experience. He mentioned how decisive Kidd is etc. This was after he was asked the difference between this year and last year (point guard situation). I guess some people took that as him bad mouthing Lin. Fact is, if Jeremy Lin and Houston, makes it to the playoffs, it will be Lin's very first appearance in the postseason. Ever! J Kidd and to a lesser extent, Felton, have made a number a playoff appearances. I guess by Tyson mentioning that, he was "criticizing" or "bashing" Lin. smh


Yeah you pretty much nailed it.

Chandler told Al Iannazzone of Newsday that "Jeremy was a young point guard who was inexperienced, who brought a great light to the organization. But as far as being able to run the offense and putting players in the right positions he just wasn't there. We got some veteran point guards that are capable of doing that."

Those "veteran' guards are Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton who came over from Dallas and Portland.

"The intensity is way up and also there's also calmness when we're coming downcourt, with the point guards getting things under control and making sure we get good shots every possession," Chandler said.

I also dont think what he said was that bad but he did get some heat for it.

Nothing wrong with what Tyson said. He is being honest and he is right. I don't think JR's answer is as respectful and well thought out as Tyson's

Nothing wrong with what he said at all. He basically criticized Lin the same way JR did but Smith didnt throw in the reference to what he did for us last season. Theres an article I just read about Lin and Dolan where Lin kinda contradicted what he had been saying about only being offered the Poison Pill contract. That may explain that JR tweet.

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11/21/2012  8:33 PM
JR is a vet. Vets always compliment their team mate first.

It would be ****ty for JR or any Knick say lin was better.

8-1 makes it all good. Don't read too much into the printed word. If JR and felton get along on the court thats all that counts.

Its also reasonable for JR to feel slighted about lin getting the money and he don't. Maybe put to better use its called "motivation".

MOtivation to be dedicated to your craft on and off the court, in season and off. Lin worked damn hard to make it all happen.

lets not forget that. Lets not forget the good stuff.

I hope he does well. Felton is our "duck" now.

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11/21/2012  8:56 PM
I am sure if he was asked who is a better two guard Fields or Kidd he would say something that might be interpeted as offensive to Fields as well.
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11/21/2012  9:02 PM
Nalod wrote:JR is a vet. Vets always compliment their team mate first.

It would be ****ty for JR or any Knick say lin was better.

8-1 makes it all good. Don't read too much into the printed word. If JR and felton get along on the court thats all that counts.

Its also reasonable for JR to feel slighted about lin getting the money and he don't. Maybe put to better use its called "motivation".

MOtivation to be dedicated to your craft on and off the court, in season and off. Lin worked damn hard to make it all happen.

lets not forget that. Lets not forget the good stuff.

I hope he does well. Felton is our "duck" now.

Agreed. Barring a trade, these are the same faces these guys will see night in and night out. Even if you believe your teammate is a scumbag, you've got to give him as much support as possible. If Lin was here instead of Felton, JR would be saying Lin is lightyears is a much better fit than Billups, or whoever, at this stage and that he brings a lot to the table. At least I hope that's what JR would say. This season is too long to read so much into every quote. Especially for a guy who is no longer on the team.

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11/22/2012  12:30 AM
There is nothing wrong with what JR said.

What JR said was truthful:

Jeremy Lin is a shoot-first guard while Raymond Felton is a pass-first guard.
Jeremy has some learning to do as he's barely more than a rookie, and there's no question Kidd and Felton are way more experienced than him. They have more than 26 years of experience between the two than Lin does. Does that mean Jeremy is a bad player? No. But despite how exciting of a player Lin is, he's got a long way to go.


There's nothing wrong with complimenting your current teammate for his skills. I like straight and honest answers, always have, always will. Sure, there are more diplomatic ways of getting your point across, but if the meaning is the same, I'd much rather leave out the artificial sweeteners.

By the way, it's one thing for fans to get all enthralled by a player and his story. But, name one professional field where a breakthrough early in one's career automatically gets the respect of his much more experienced and battle scarred peers? I can't. I'm in science, and every damn bit of respect must be earned, especially from my elder more established colleagues.

Why is it that anyone is surprised that veteran players respect other veterans more because that respect was earned with years of hard work?? Why is anyone surprised that veterans won't automatically praise relative newbies regardless of how well they have played early in their careers?? Why is it that I just wasted my time responding to a Lin thread when I typically avoid this sort of whiny-defensive-bitchy-sorry for oneself-thread??? lol 8-2 people. 8 wins 2 losses. That's all I care about.

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11/23/2012  9:24 AM
Why is saying Felton is better right now considered Lin-bashing? What was there for JR to slowly, methodically think about before answering?

Can't wait for someone to ask if Kidd is better than Lin.

This whole lingering Linlove is so old.

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11/23/2012  11:37 AM
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Allanfan20 wrote:I have still yet to figure out why there are players on this team who have publicly spoken against Lin. Did he say stuff about them or slight them and we just don't know about it? It's kind of baffling.
Like I've said a lot of time im happy with our team that we have now but i dont get why people are bashing lin. he's a good kid i mean its not his fault the rockets overpaid

Did JR bash Lin or did he simply answer a reporters question honestly?

And anonymous quoters spoke honestly about Tim Tebow too and look at what turmoil that created. Sometimes it's good just to keep your mouth shut or say "I wont speak about Jeremy Lin."

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11/23/2012  11:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2012  11:45 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I have still yet to figure out why there are players on this team who have publicly spoken against Lin. Did he say stuff about them or slight them and we just don't know about it? It's kind of baffling.
Like I've said a lot of time im happy with our team that we have now but i dont get why people are bashing lin. he's a good kid i mean its not his fault the rockets overpaid

Did JR bash Lin or did he simply answer a reporters question honestly?

And anonymous quoters spoke honestly about Tim Tebow too and look at what turmoil that created. Sometimes it's good just to keep your mouth shut or say "I wont speak about Jeremy Lin."

Nothing wrong with JR said, he was speaking truthfully and matter of factly and at the same time raining praise on a teammate. I didn't read any negative connotations from his statement. You do know Jeremy Lin was a shooting guard in college, right? Thus the score first mentality and why he is struggling in a pass first offense in Houston.

P.S. - Kyle Lowry and Goran Dragic thrived in this same offense McHale is running. K-Mart was in the Harden role. They just run a few more ISO's for Harden, because of his skillset.

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11/23/2012  11:45 AM
1) Of course Smith should compiment Felton and say "I wouldn't have it any other way." That's fine. However, he spoke openly about Lins contract in the past and it's something that just shouldn't happen.

2) Obviously he feels some resentment towards Lin and a big reason for Lin getting that contract is because of his Asian heritiage. With that said, his run last year was historic because he did things that only Hall of Fame legends did in their first few games. It's not like "It's the Asian kid playing pretty decent... lets overhype him." He was playing damn outstanding and gave reason to make someone want to give him that contract. The resentment, in my mind, should be minimal, especially with Smith. It's not like he played better last year or anywhere near close. He was damn close to awful.

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