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NYKMentality
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11/19/2012  1:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  1:23 PM
Regardless of what Melo critics and/or Gallo lovers such as TKF may state on a message board; The New York Knicks have something that last place team of the Northwest division in the Denver Nuggets doesn't have, which is something that evey championship contending team must feature; which is an actual NBA superstar. A top 5-7 talent. We have that in Melo.

That Nuggets franchise missed the postseason during 7-8 consecutive seasons before the drafting of Melo. After the drafting of the Melo, the Nuggets then went on to land 7-8 consecutive trips to the postseason with Melo leading the way. Regardless of what the critics may or may not say, Melo changed the culture of that franchise. Was their franchise leader. Carried that franchise on his back. Last but not least, Denver's front office NEVER wanted to trade Melo. The difference? Melo was a Knick at heart. Won a championship for a New York college in Syracuse. Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

- An overhyped European player in Gallo has been replaced by one of the greatest American basketball talents in Carmelo Anthony at the SF position.

- A project rookie from Russia in Timofey Mozgov has been replaced by a Championship Winning Center in Tyson Chandler. Our reigning Defensive Player of the Year. A true defensive anchor.

- An overrated Wilson Chandler, who's looking more and more like a product of Mike D'Antonio's offensive scheme/style of play has been replaced by a pure fire 6th Man of the Year contender in J.R Smith. J.R's coming into his own as a role playing leader.

- Raymond Felton has returned to New York, which is key when discussing our trade for Melo. Raymond Felton was our second strongest weapon and/or trade piece behind only Gallo. Felton averaged 17.1 points and 9 assists heading into the trade for Melo. And now, the Knicks landed Felton during the offseason. Felton has returned as if he never left.

Felton returning to New York was (and is) a huge slap in the face in regards to the fans who were against the Melo trade dating back to day one.

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11/19/2012  1:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  1:32 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Regardless of what Melo critics and/or Gallo lovers such as TKF may state on a message board; The New York Knicks have something that last place team of the Northwest division in the Denver Nuggets doesn't have, which is something that evey championship contending team must feature; which is an actual NBA superstar. A top 5-7 talent. We have that in Melo.

That Nuggets franchise missed the postseason during 7-8 consecutive seasons before the drafting of Melo. After the drafting of the Melo, the Nuggets then went on to land 7-8 consecutive trips to the postseason with Melo leading the way. Regardless of what the critics may or may not say, Melo changed the culture of that franchise. Was their franchise leader. Carried that franchise on his back. Last but not least, Denver's front office NEVER wanted to trade Melo. The difference? Melo was a Knick at heart. Won a championship for a New York college in Syracuse. Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

- An overhyped European player in Gallo has been replaced by one of the greatest American basketball talents in Carmelo Anthony at the SF position.

- A project rookie from Russia in Timofey Mozgov has been replaced by a Championship Winning Center in Tyson Chandler. Our reigning Defensive Player of the Year. A true defensive anchor.

- An overrated Wilson Chandler, who's looking more and more like a product of Mike D'Antonio's offensive scheme/style of play has been replaced by a pure fire 6th Man of the Year contender in J.R Smith. J.R's coming into his own as a role playing leader.

- Raymond Felton has returned to New York, which is key when discussing our trade for Melo. Raymond Felton was our second strongest weapon and/or trade piece behind only Gallo. Felton averaged 17.1 points and 9 assists heading into the trade for Melo. And now, the Knicks landed Felton during the offseason. Felton has returned as if he never left.

Felton returning to New York was (and is) a huge slap in the face in regards to the fans who were against the Melo trade dating back to day one.

funny how you try to single me out.. which just goes to show where your agenda is..

here is a newsflash.. denver had melo.. didn't win, they removed the donkey.... they are fine.. will be fine and won't be saddled with a max contract that can't win..

no matter how much you knock the other players you can't change that fact.....

top 5-7 talent?

dude you need to watch more NBA games.. carmelo's game is a dinosaur , that post up on the wing, begging for the ball, iso, jab step, forcing your way to the rim game is old.. he is getting his shot blocked at record rates, he doesn't pass the ball well and he is still lazy on defense... the NBA's new breed of player, the talent can dribble, pass and loves to defend, they move without the ball, can score without the iso, can create for others.... take a look around dude...carmelo is slowly becoming a CD in a world of MP3's and file sharing....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/19/2012  1:27 PM
+1, but...

*gets ready to duck from the responses to this*

*Hide the children, it's gonna get ugly*

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11/19/2012  1:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  1:56 PM
tkf wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Regardless of what Melo critics and/or Gallo lovers such as TKF may state on a message board; The New York Knicks have something that last place team of the Northwest division in the Denver Nuggets doesn't have, which is something that evey championship contending team must feature; which is an actual NBA superstar. A top 5-7 talent. We have that in Melo.

That Nuggets franchise missed the postseason during 7-8 consecutive seasons before the drafting of Melo. After the drafting of the Melo, the Nuggets then went on to land 7-8 consecutive trips to the postseason with Melo leading the way. Regardless of what the critics may or may not say, Melo changed the culture of that franchise. Was their franchise leader. Carried that franchise on his back. Last but not least, Denver's front office NEVER wanted to trade Melo. The difference? Melo was a Knick at heart. Won a championship for a New York college in Syracuse. Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

- An overhyped European player in Gallo has been replaced by one of the greatest American basketball talents in Carmelo Anthony at the SF position.

- A project rookie from Russia in Timofey Mozgov has been replaced by a Championship Winning Center in Tyson Chandler. Our reigning Defensive Player of the Year. A true defensive anchor.

- An overrated Wilson Chandler, who's looking more and more like a product of Mike D'Antonio's offensive scheme/style of play has been replaced by a pure fire 6th Man of the Year contender in J.R Smith. J.R's coming into his own as a role playing leader.

- Raymond Felton has returned to New York, which is key when discussing our trade for Melo. Raymond Felton was our second strongest weapon and/or trade piece behind only Gallo. Felton averaged 17.1 points and 9 assists heading into the trade for Melo. And now, the Knicks landed Felton during the offseason. Felton has returned as if he never left.

Felton returning to New York was (and is) a huge slap in the face in regards to the fans who were against the Melo trade dating back to day one.

funny how you try to single me out.. which just goes to show where your agenda is..

here is a newsflash.. denver had melo.. didn't win, they removed the donkey.... they are fine.. will be fine and won't be saddled with a max contract that can't win..

no matter how much you knock the other players you can't change that fact.....

top 5-7 talent?

dude you need to watch more NBA games.. carmelo's game is a dinosaur , that post up on the wing, begging for the ball, iso, jab step, forcing your way to the rim game is old.. he is getting his shot blocked at record rates, he doesn't pass the ball well and he is still lazy on defense... the NBA's new breed of player, the talent can dribble, pass and loves to defend, they move without the ball, can score without the iso, can create for others.... take a look around dude...carmelo is slowly becoming a CD in a world of MP3's and file sharing....

With all due respect, you sound like a bitter tool.

Denver "removed" Melo? Try again, because you're wrong. Sounds like someone who has no idea in regards to what really happened. You're now believing your own lies and/or thoughts. "Removed Melo". Yea, right, as if Melo didn't refuse to sign their long term offer. Key words being 'Melo refused their long term offer'. They were forced to lose Melo due to the fact that A.) He wanted to play for the Knicks. B.) Was becoming a free agent only a couple of months away. C.) Was forced to trade Melo. Denver didn't "remove" Melo, they lost Melo. You sound clueless right about now. "Removed Melo". Melo removed himself TKF. You sound very clueless right about now...

Denver had Melo and didn't win? Wrong. You're once again, sounding clueless. Maybe you should study the NBA a little closer. Wow, they didn't win an NBA championship. Neither did Ewing. Does that also make our Ewing a career loser as well? LeBron was drafted the same year as Melo and just won his first ring. They lost with Melo? Lies. They won with Melo however they lost without Melo (before Melo) and once again, losing without Melo. Before the drafting of Melo they missed the playoffs during 7-8 consecutive seasons. After the drafting of Melo? They landed 7-8 consecutive trips to the postseason. But yet, they "didn't win with Melo". Grow up. Melo led them to #2 and #3 seeds, during the years of a power-house Western Conference. Unlike LeBron who played in an (at the time) laughing stock Eastern Conference.

You were nothing but a little Gallo lover on RGM. Even kept his avatar up for years on end after the trade. Never removed the Gallo picture. You loved him with all you heart. You were also nothing but a Melo harper over there. Harped over Melo after each and every game. Now, we're 7-1 with Melo as our franchise leader/star. How's your little boy lover in Gallo doing out there in Denver? Try last place.

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11/19/2012  2:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  2:12 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
tkf wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Regardless of what Melo critics and/or Gallo lovers such as TKF may state on a message board; The New York Knicks have something that last place team of the Northwest division in the Denver Nuggets doesn't have, which is something that evey championship contending team must feature; which is an actual NBA superstar. A top 5-7 talent. We have that in Melo.

That Nuggets franchise missed the postseason during 7-8 consecutive seasons before the drafting of Melo. After the drafting of the Melo, the Nuggets then went on to land 7-8 consecutive trips to the postseason with Melo leading the way. Regardless of what the critics may or may not say, Melo changed the culture of that franchise. Was their franchise leader. Carried that franchise on his back. Last but not least, Denver's front office NEVER wanted to trade Melo. The difference? Melo was a Knick at heart. Won a championship for a New York college in Syracuse. Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

- An overhyped European player in Gallo has been replaced by one of the greatest American basketball talents in Carmelo Anthony at the SF position.

- A project rookie from Russia in Timofey Mozgov has been replaced by a Championship Winning Center in Tyson Chandler. Our reigning Defensive Player of the Year. A true defensive anchor.

- An overrated Wilson Chandler, who's looking more and more like a product of Mike D'Antonio's offensive scheme/style of play has been replaced by a pure fire 6th Man of the Year contender in J.R Smith. J.R's coming into his own as a role playing leader.

- Raymond Felton has returned to New York, which is key when discussing our trade for Melo. Raymond Felton was our second strongest weapon and/or trade piece behind only Gallo. Felton averaged 17.1 points and 9 assists heading into the trade for Melo. And now, the Knicks landed Felton during the offseason. Felton has returned as if he never left.

Felton returning to New York was (and is) a huge slap in the face in regards to the fans who were against the Melo trade dating back to day one.

funny how you try to single me out.. which just goes to show where your agenda is..

here is a newsflash.. denver had melo.. didn't win, they removed the donkey.... they are fine.. will be fine and won't be saddled with a max contract that can't win..

no matter how much you knock the other players you can't change that fact.....

top 5-7 talent?

dude you need to watch more NBA games.. carmelo's game is a dinosaur , that post up on the wing, begging for the ball, iso, jab step, forcing your way to the rim game is old.. he is getting his shot blocked at record rates, he doesn't pass the ball well and he is still lazy on defense... the NBA's new breed of player, the talent can dribble, pass and loves to defend, they move without the ball, can score without the iso, can create for others.... take a look around dude...carmelo is slowly becoming a CD in a world of MP3's and file sharing....

With all due respect, you sound like a bitter tool.

Denver "removed" Melo? Try again, because you're wrong. Sounds like someone who has no idea in regards to what really happened. You're now believing your own lies and/or thoughts. "Removed Melo". Yea, right, as if Melo didn't refuse to sign their long term offer. Key words being 'Melo refused their long term offer'. They were forced to lose Melo due to the fact that A.) He wanted to play for the Knicks. B.) Was becoming a free agent only a couple of months away. C.) Was forced to trade Melo. Denver didn't "remove" Melo, they lost Melo. You sound clueless right about now. "Removed Melo". Melo removed himself TKF. You sound very clueless right about now...

Denver had Melo and didn't win? Wrong. You're once again, sounding clueless. Maybe you should study the NBA a little closer. Wow, they didn't win an NBA championship. Neither did Ewing. Does that also make our Ewing a career loser as well? LeBron was drafted the same year as Melo and just won his first ring. They lost with Melo? Lies. They won with Melo however they lost without Melo (before Melo) and once again, losing without Melo. Before the drafting of Melo they missed the playoffs during 7-8 consecutive seasons. After the drafting of Melo? They landed 7-8 consecutive trips to the postseason. But yet, they "didn't win with Melo". Grow up. Melo led them to #2 and #3 seeds, during the years of a power-house Western Conference. Unlike LeBron who played in an (at the time) laughing stock Eastern Conference.

You were nothing but a little Gallo lover on RGM. Even kept his avatar up for years on end after the trade. Never removed the Gallo picture. You loved him with all you heart. You were also nothing but a Melo harper over there. Harped over Melo after each and every game. Now, we're 7-1 with Melo as our franchise leader/star. How's your little boy lover in Gallo doing out there in Denver? Try last place.

well, a bitter tool, then so be it.. it seems you can't get past the name calling.. kind of kills your already weak argument..

you keep pointing out to me as being wrong.. denver removed melo.. did they not.. they traded him right? or am I wrong? they traded him, I don't care what he asked for, they traded him.. he was removed..

And no you don't have to win a championship, but do you call a 16-36 playoff record winning?

again, remove your emotion, the silly name calling, the bashing of former knicks and guess what? you will see the same thing i am seeing.. the guy is not a winner at this point...

Now I see you bring in lebron... this is typical carmelo defense, so what you are saying is that carmelo is better than ewing, kobe, lebron, I mean why stop there.. he is just a bad luck guy who has led, dragged, carried his team to a #2 seed and we should just ignore the 16-36 playoff record because.. well.. that just dosen't support your argument..


How's your little boy lover in Gallo doing out there in Denver?

do you see the problem with this type of posting.. It is like you are sitting at your keyboard, with your carmleo jersey on,sweating, turning colors, ripping up gallo pictures as you type.. using no logic and thinking.... what does gallo have to do with this.. he is playing decent actually, just not shooting well, but heck the season is long, I expect that go get better... ok, now I answered that.. better yet, I will go over the top.. He sucks, his daddy sucks, lin sucks, chandler sucks, the picks that denver hasn't made yet, sucks... all of it sucks.. now.. answer this..

how does this change that we still overpaid for carmelo, that he has not proven that he can win in the playoffs (16-36) that is his record, he is a horrible leader, and still a lazy defender... not the type of guy you build around..

again, you have no answer for this.. but i guess I can help you here..


"haha, Lin and gallo sucks"....

that solves everything huh?


You were nothing but a little Gallo lover on RGM. Even kept his avatar up for years on end after the trade. Never removed the Gallo picture. You loved him with all you heart. You were also nothing but a Melo harper over there. Harped over Melo after each and every game. Now, we're 7-1 with Melo as our franchise leader/star. How's your little boy lover in Gallo doing out there in Denver? Try last place.

why not try better.. how about this.. I am the devil, I am satan, I am spawn.....I am the most rotten thing to ever walk the earth... and on top of that, I am a gallo lover, I love his dad, I love his momma, I love everything that rhymes with "gallo".......

with that out of the way, how does that change anything about carmelo? the guy is still the biggest playoff loser in history, and we actually paid assets to bring him here......

regardless of what you think about me.. that will never change...... 16-36 homie...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/19/2012  2:13 PM
Woodson's style of coaching and Melo's style of play mesh together better then Karl or MDA did. Defense first, slower pace, more set plays, more taking advantage of mismatches.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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11/19/2012  2:14 PM
He dropped the Ewing bomb and the Gallo bomb as if Gallo was the only asset traded!

Defcon 2?

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11/19/2012  2:16 PM
Nalod wrote:He dropped the Ewing bomb and the Gallo bomb as if Gallo was the only asset traded!

Defcon 2?

not sure why everyone keeps bringing up gallo....but whatever...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/19/2012  2:23 PM
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:He dropped the Ewing bomb and the Gallo bomb as if Gallo was the only asset traded!

Defcon 2?

not sure why everyone keeps bringing up gallo....but whatever...

We needs rules:

The assumption is usually we better with Melo than the other players, or could we have done another trade that made more sense. Deron, CP3 and Dwight shook loose after.

Its perhaps wrong to assume the team would have not made any moves at any time.

I'd ask a truce because the longer this goes on the more abstract the past becomes.

How the team looks today if we don't do that deal is anyones guess. But its safe to assume its not frozen with that roster unless we upped and extended everyone.

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11/19/2012  2:26 PM
Nalod wrote:He dropped the Ewing bomb and the Gallo bomb as if Gallo was the only asset traded!

Defcon 2?

Oh yea, he forgot to mention the Moz.

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11/19/2012  2:31 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
With all due respect, you sound like a bitter tool.

Denver "removed" Melo? Try again, because you're wrong. Sounds like someone who has no idea in regards to what really happened. You're now believing your own lies and/or thoughts. "Removed Melo". Yea, right, as if Melo didn't refuse to sign their long term offer. Key words being 'Melo refused their long term offer'. They were forced to lose Melo due to the fact that A.) He wanted to play for the Knicks. B.) Was becoming a free agent only a couple of months away. C.) Was forced to trade Melo. Denver didn't "remove" Melo, they lost Melo. You sound clueless right about now. "Removed Melo". Melo removed himself TKF. You sound very clueless right about now...

Denver had Melo and didn't win? Wrong. You're once again, sounding clueless. Maybe you should study the NBA a little closer. Wow, they didn't win an NBA championship. Neither did Ewing. Does that also make our Ewing a career loser as well? LeBron was drafted the same year as Melo and just won his first ring. They lost with Melo? Lies. They won with Melo however they lost without Melo (before Melo) and once again, losing without Melo. Before the drafting of Melo they missed the playoffs during 7-8 consecutive seasons. After the drafting of Melo? They landed 7-8 consecutive trips to the postseason. But yet, they "didn't win with Melo". Grow up. Melo led them to #2 and #3 seeds, during the years of a power-house Western Conference. Unlike LeBron who played in an (at the time) laughing stock Eastern Conference.

You were nothing but a little Gallo lover on RGM. Even kept his avatar up for years on end after the trade. Never removed the Gallo picture. You loved him with all you heart. You were also nothing but a Melo harper over there. Harped over Melo after each and every game. Now, we're 7-1 with Melo as our franchise leader/star. How's your little boy lover in Gallo doing out there in Denver? Try last place.

And this is why I don't take TKF seriously. TKF's outlandish hate of Melo is only surpassed by his rabid love for Gallo and Lin.

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NUPE wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
With all due respect, you sound like a bitter tool.

Denver "removed" Melo? Try again, because you're wrong. Sounds like someone who has no idea in regards to what really happened. You're now believing your own lies and/or thoughts. "Removed Melo". Yea, right, as if Melo didn't refuse to sign their long term offer. Key words being 'Melo refused their long term offer'. They were forced to lose Melo due to the fact that A.) He wanted to play for the Knicks. B.) Was becoming a free agent only a couple of months away. C.) Was forced to trade Melo. Denver didn't "remove" Melo, they lost Melo. You sound clueless right about now. "Removed Melo". Melo removed himself TKF. You sound very clueless right about now...

Denver had Melo and didn't win? Wrong. You're once again, sounding clueless. Maybe you should study the NBA a little closer. Wow, they didn't win an NBA championship. Neither did Ewing. Does that also make our Ewing a career loser as well? LeBron was drafted the same year as Melo and just won his first ring. They lost with Melo? Lies. They won with Melo however they lost without Melo (before Melo) and once again, losing without Melo. Before the drafting of Melo they missed the playoffs during 7-8 consecutive seasons. After the drafting of Melo? They landed 7-8 consecutive trips to the postseason. But yet, they "didn't win with Melo". Grow up. Melo led them to #2 and #3 seeds, during the years of a power-house Western Conference. Unlike LeBron who played in an (at the time) laughing stock Eastern Conference.

You were nothing but a little Gallo lover on RGM. Even kept his avatar up for years on end after the trade. Never removed the Gallo picture. You loved him with all you heart. You were also nothing but a Melo harper over there. Harped over Melo after each and every game. Now, we're 7-1 with Melo as our franchise leader/star. How's your little boy lover in Gallo doing out there in Denver? Try last place.

And this is why I don't take TKF seriously. TKF's outlandish hate of Melo is only surpassed by his rabid love for Gallo and Lin.

And you think you are taken seriously?

the fact is, if I say the sun will rise in the morning.. I don't care what you think, the truth remains.... you are just a lazy poster, you want to take shots, but when challenged ,you run in to name calling mode, and making up stuff like Rabid love....... it is an old game, a tired game, and pretty much equivalent to white flag waving..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/19/2012  2:38 PM
Nalod wrote:He dropped the Ewing bomb and the Gallo bomb as if Gallo was the only asset traded!

Defcon 2?

Yeah, he forgot to mention the Mayor.

And the picks! don't forget the picks! There were some 2nd rounders, too! And the three mil! And the cap space!!!

Why do they ALWAYS forget the CAP SPACE????

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mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:I can't wait to see the responses.

Melo haters don't care if Gallo is back in Italy, Chandler back in China, and Moz back in Russia in 2 years.


Nor should the Melo critics care. The issue is what else we could have gotten for that package at the time and/or what player(s) could we have gotten instead of Melo if we'd had room to sign a max contract FA.

Maybe Iggy?

[shudder]

ARE YOU JOKING?! We could've totally gotten Durant, Ibaka and Harden for that package. Or we could've worked a 3 team deal to get Deron and Kobe. Stupid Knicks for settling for just 1 superstar. Who knows, if we played our cards right we could have a team like Denver or Washington right now.

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MSG3 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:I can't wait to see the responses.

Melo haters don't care if Gallo is back in Italy, Chandler back in China, and Moz back in Russia in 2 years.


Nor should the Melo critics care. The issue is what else we could have gotten for that package at the time and/or what player(s) could we have gotten instead of Melo if we'd had room to sign a max contract FA.

Maybe Iggy?

[shudder]

ARE YOU JOKING?! We could've totally gotten Durant, Ibaka and Harden for that package. Or we could've worked a 3 team deal to get Deron and Kobe. Stupid Knicks for settling for just 1 superstar. Who knows, if we played our cards right we could have a team like Denver or Washington right now.


+1,

and don't forget DHow, we could have gotten DHow too!

This, boys and girls, is what understated, yet highly efficient sarcasm is made of.

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MSG3 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:I can't wait to see the responses.

Melo haters don't care if Gallo is back in Italy, Chandler back in China, and Moz back in Russia in 2 years.


Nor should the Melo critics care. The issue is what else we could have gotten for that package at the time and/or what player(s) could we have gotten instead of Melo if we'd had room to sign a max contract FA.

Maybe Iggy?

[shudder]

ARE YOU JOKING?! We could've totally gotten Durant, Ibaka and Harden for that package. Or we could've worked a 3 team deal to get Deron and Kobe. Stupid Knicks for settling for just 1 superstar. Who knows, if we played our cards right we could have a team like Denver or Washington right now.

ARGH SHOOT ME NOW! Denver or Washington.

To be like Washington....what could've been.

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11/19/2012  2:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  2:51 PM
Walsh has always been diplomatic or one who takes one for the team. His eyes looked desperate yesterday behind the Pacers bench wanting so bad to beat us. I don't care what he says in the press about this trade. There's no reason for the owner to dismiss him by requesting a 40% cut in pay if he was the major force(signing off) on all this happening.


Walsh is exercising professionalism and more important diplomacy here in his thoughts on what's transpired since his time here.


This is the same guy who through himself under the buss, took several arrows to the knee, and a head shot for his coach who eventually was forced out by the same mgmt grp that forced him out.

Melo fit Walsh's ideology of 2 Max Cats but not necessarily his profile as the second Max Cat. Also if Walsh was behind the Melo move, then no question had we not traded for Melo Walsh at some point in time would have made other moves to improve the team....


CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS


....although you guys try so hard everyday to do so.

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11/19/2012  2:49 PM
3G4G wrote:Walsh has always been diplomatic or one who takes one for the team. His eyes looked desperate yesterday behind the Pacers bench wanting so bad to beat us. I don't care what he says in the press about this trade. There's no reason for the owner to dismiss him by requesting a 40% cut in pay if he was the major force(signing off) on all this happening.

This is the same guy who through himself under the buss, took several arrows to the knee, and a head shot for his coach who eventually was forced out by the same mgmt grp that forced him out.

Melo fit Walsh's ideology of 2 Max Cats but not necessarily his profile as the second Max Cat. Also if Walsh was behind the Melo move, then no question had we not traded for Melo Walsh at some point in time would have made other moves to improve the tem....


CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS


....although you guys try so hard everyday to do so.

DAMIT, we got the wrong Max Cat! Should've got Marbu...I mean Deron Williams!

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11/19/2012  2:49 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:I can't wait to see the responses.

Melo haters don't care if Gallo is back in Italy, Chandler back in China, and Moz back in Russia in 2 years.


Nor should the Melo critics care. The issue is what else we could have gotten for that package at the time and/or what player(s) could we have gotten instead of Melo if we'd had room to sign a max contract FA.

Maybe Iggy?

[shudder]

No. We'd be sooooooo much better watching CP3 on the IR for most of the last two years. And watching him not run the PNR with STAT (injured) or Tyson (who wouldn't be here).

So now that the "3 potenshull HOF players" sheehit has finally died some kind of death, we move on to the neverending picks/cap space arguments. Soon to be followed by what we could have done with that 3 mil we gave away, too.

This trade whinging is almost getting comfortable. It's consistently constant. Sort of like low tide in Newark.

I'm really going to miss it.


The team is playing great now, although we can debate how much of a role Melo is playing in that. He's obviously helping the team but I don't think he's at anything close to an MVP level. After these 8 games, though, you're certainly doing much more gloating than many people did after several dozens of .400s ball post-trade (and .600s Nuggets' ball). You seem to have a myopic focus.

Respectfully, what does Melo have to do to be worth a Max contract? If you're waiting for him to play like LeBron it's not going to happen. LeBron is arguably the best player in the history of basketball. Does he have to play like Derek Rose? Not going to happen either. He's not a point guard or facilitator. He's a volume shooter who scores inside and out, rebounds the ball and has begun to play great defense and finally has teammates around him he can trust to score when he's off.

I think Melo is absolutely playing at an MVP level. But he won't win an MVP as long as LeBron is healthy and in the league. Name one other player MORE valuable to their team through the first few weeks than Melo besides LeBron. I'd say Z-Bo is up there. Who else? Honest question.

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11/19/2012  2:52 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:Walsh has always been diplomatic or one who takes one for the team. His eyes looked desperate yesterday behind the Pacers bench wanting so bad to beat us. I don't care what he says in the press about this trade. There's no reason for the owner to dismiss him by requesting a 40% cut in pay if he was the major force(signing off) on all this happening.

This is the same guy who through himself under the buss, took several arrows to the knee, and a head shot for his coach who eventually was forced out by the same mgmt grp that forced him out.

Melo fit Walsh's ideology of 2 Max Cats but not necessarily his profile as the second Max Cat. Also if Walsh was behind the Melo move, then no question had we not traded for Melo Walsh at some point in time would have made other moves to improve the tem....


CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS


....although you guys try so hard everyday to do so.

DAMIT, we got the wrong Max Cat! Should've got Marbu...I mean Deron Williams!


That's the Sesame Street reply/way of looking at things

O'Conner: Indy, Donnie, Melo, "The Trade", Nuggets, MDA....

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