James Dolan - Sexual harassment case

Mikhail Prokhorov - in yesterday's interview
"Q: Why are women so hard to figure out?
A: Who's trying to figure them out? I think we just need to love them."

The Nets win hands down! Prokhorov is brilliant. Female fans will flock to Brooklyn.

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:In all honesty we know that's your hope..But it's a little far fetched at this point...Nets just bot Joe Johnson who they have will to pay 25 mil per in 2015...Will Jersey get a Chip by then...Let's see them win a few games first..Let's see them win a playoff game...All this bluster and they haven't even played one game yet...Is Bopez still their center, Kardashian dude, Wallace and Dwill???..They added JJ and now we are talking rings???..Really??

Nobody said they were championship contenders. Not even them. All teams talk about their goals.

YOu can shyt all over them, and other teams in defense of the KNicks but I prefer to let the Knicks speak for themselves.

If you wish not to discuss the matter thats fine. I posted the article as I found it interesting as a knick fan.

Wearing colors and seeing things thru the prism of one dimension is not a bad thing. I don't harp that your a blind fool for your devotion. In my 8 years hear I always discuss the business side of things.

If you want to take my evaluation as a form of betrayal then be my guest. Its a bit sophmoric in my opinion but your entitled to your point.

If the W-L records are the most important thing then let them speak for themselves.

If fans are getting fed up with knick ownership and the empty starphuching they promote then understand whats going on.

NY fans want to feel good about the knicks that has been hard to do since 1999. Knicks need not worry about the Nets if they take care of their own.

Some of you feel that putting down other teams elevates the knicks. If it works for you, then don't stop. Don't stop believing!

Who is shytting on the Nets...Part of me want to see them do well, part of me don't care..Nothing has changed for me because they have a new home game address...But you are trying to hype them to proportions that they are not...My point is why not allow them to play a game or two..huh...You are trying to do what??Scare fans?? Who cares if Knicks fans become Net fans...Whats really sophomoric is bringing to topic up over and over and over again to get a response from who ever bites....

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

“I was rubbed the wrong way for so long,” said Ortiz, who lives in Bay Ridge, “that I guess I was kind of looking for an out.”

I didn’t make the switch lightly,” Graham said. “I was a loyal fan for a long, long time. And that loyalty, now that it’s been pried away with a crowbar, now it’s attached to a new team.”

The defectors all describe a similar evolution.

They were depressed by the Thomas-Marbury era. They were heartened by the 2008 arrival of Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni — as the new team president and coach — then distressed to see both men run off. They embraced Amar’e Stoudemire as the foundation of a promising new lineup in 2010. They cringed when that lineup was torn up in a hasty trade for Carmelo Anthony.

"...fan forums were filled with wails of betrayal and outrage, and threats to abandon the team. Many followed through.

Pathetic. And I couldn't even bare to cut and paste the puerile Lin rant, because it's beneath talking about anymore. The pitiful whining of the disenfranchised, entitlement mind set.

Sounds like a bunch of arrested adolescents.

Go to the the Barkleys, and hooray for you, you have hip hop and Ellen Pompeno and black and white cool.

Good riddance, and please remember to stay there.

The Nets are a NY team now. SMH.

I'm still laughing.

Or is it pathetic to ferociously defend a team that won one playoff game in ten years?

No, it's more pathetic to overhype and jump over to some bullshit pile of steaming gimmicky starphucque team that was inline to be the worst in league history like they are suddenly some kind of brilliant supernova in the NBA sky. The Nets. We are talking about the Nets. Your own fans didn't give a shit when you were going to the Finals? Remember that?

Tell me more stories of Dr J. and JKidd. And the Rutgers Athletic Center! Oh the history and panorama!

Spare me the comparisons. They fail repeatedly and just sound redundantly petulant.

Hate Melo, Hate Dolan, Hate the Trade, Hate the Knicks. Fine.

Is free country, no?

jrodmc wrote:

“I was rubbed the wrong way for so long,” said Ortiz, who lives in Bay Ridge, “that I guess I was kind of looking for an out.”

I didn’t make the switch lightly,” Graham said. “I was a loyal fan for a long, long time. And that loyalty, now that it’s been pried away with a crowbar, now it’s attached to a new team.”

The defectors all describe a similar evolution.

They were depressed by the Thomas-Marbury era. They were heartened by the 2008 arrival of Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni — as the new team president and coach — then distressed to see both men run off. They embraced Amar’e Stoudemire as the foundation of a promising new lineup in 2010. They cringed when that lineup was torn up in a hasty trade for Carmelo Anthony.

"...fan forums were filled with wails of betrayal and outrage, and threats to abandon the team. Many followed through.

Pathetic. And I couldn't even bare to cut and paste the puerile Lin rant, because it's beneath talking about anymore. The pitiful whining of the disenfranchised, entitlement mind set.

Sounds like a bunch of arrested adolescents.

Go to the the Barkleys, and hooray for you, you have hip hop and Ellen Pompeno and black and white cool.

Good riddance, and please remember to stay there.

The Nets are a NY team now. SMH.

I'm still laughing.

Most of the people on this board are still here despite all the horrible decisions we've witnessed as Knicks fans. My attitude towards fans who defected is kind of whatevers. It's not crazy to me. You seem to have a different take on it so let me ask you:

Is there anything that would ever make you abandon the Knicks?
Is there any situation in a major sport (NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA..and err I guess soccer since the rest of the world cares about it so rabidly) where you've felt fans were justified in saying "F-it" and deciding to abandon the team altogether?

All of the quotes in this article from fans are valid. No problem whatsoever what was spoken on. If you're making the switch, do it now and don't look back.....but it better be based on such principles mentioned in the article.

To blindly support a team no matter what they do is not rational. Especially if a franchise demonstrates it does not appreciate you or could care less about you as a fan. Time invested in a team doesn't mean you remain a fan no matter what, although it could factor into time of loyalty given.

For people who say it's about having the name New York, uhhhhhh this is laughable. The Nets are in Brooklyn which is New York as it gets. The city is rich in history alone and so therefore supporting this team would be synonymous with supporting New York. Like I was saying all along, their move to Brooklyn provides an abundance of opportunity for many who live in the area, primarily employment in a very tough economy. It's backed by a very wealthy and affluent owner and what it's also done is caused Knick fans to dig deeper/hunker down in support of their own team which can be seen as an added positive.

Don't Bandwagon the Nets though and don't call Deron a First Rate D-Bag then if we pull off a trade of Carmelo for D-Will refer to Deron as The Best Point Guard in New York All Time. This is the type of stuff needing to be deaden by fans across all bases, none moreso here.

3G4G wrote:I have no problems with people in the New York area switching their support to the Nets only if it's done now. Anyone who tries and like them after/should they turn things around and become a winning culture is nothing but a complete joke of a fan. To do it based on fan peer pressure is a joke. To do it because it's trendy is a joke. We should all be fans of teams based on principles first.....yes this should come before family/friends and/or traditional roots. You should like a team because you identify with everything about it, which could include those factors..such as where you're from/local/family/friends/

All of the quotes in this article from fans are valid. No problem whatsoever what was spoken on. If you're making the switch, do it now and don't look back.....but it better be based on such principles mentioned in the article.

To blindly support a team no matter what they do is not rational. Especially if a franchise demonstrates it does not appreciate you or could care less about you as a fan. Time invested in a team doesn't mean you remain a fan no matter what, although it could factor into time of loyalty given.

For people who say it's about having the name New York, uhhhhhh this is laughable. The Nets are in Brooklyn which is New York as it gets. The city is rich in history alone and so therefore supporting this team would be synonymous with supporting New York. Like I was saying all along, their move to Brooklyn provides an abundance of opportunity for many who live in the area, primarily employment in a very tough economy. It's backed by a very wealthy and affluent owner and what it's also done is caused Knick fans to dig deeper/hunker down in support of their own team which can be seen as an added positive.

Don't Bandwagon the Nets though and don't call Deron a First Rate D-Bag then if we pull off a trade of Carmelo for D-Will refer to Deron as The Best Point Guard in New York All Time. This is the type of stuff needing to be deaden by fans across all bases, none moreso here.

I lost being a die hard fan in 1998 or there abouts. I remember when I looking at buying a house and my wife wanted to go and take measurements. I put an old 12 inche black and white tv and a beach chair in the trunk and watched the game on the veranda one playoff sunday after noon. Watching the last game one season because it had playoff seeding implications (game vs. Bulls) in mexico one year. I think it was 1997.

List goes on and on.

Then I realized the team was never really built to win, just contend. It felt fraudulent.

As far as picking and choosing sides before the season starts I am knick fan but loyalty goes both ways.

Melo was a punk ass player we did not like until "he was coming home" then we supposed to love him? Nope, he has to win me over. Im not into the Melo hate and he is growing on me but its not like when you grow a rookie or the unexpected organic growth happens like "Linsanity".

I have no ill feelings toward Deron or any Net player. I will watch the games because its "brooklyn" and I can accept them as I did when they were an ABA team not in competition with the Knicks.

Until they have a playoff series I won't have any conflicts. I'll enjoy the games because for the most part I can enjoy a good basketball game even if the knicks don't win. Repeat: "A good game"!

Knicks were unwatchable winning under 30 games. When all is lost I move on. Sorry, its not entertaining.

So Im not a die hard fan after all. I don't wear anyone's jersey and own one Knicks Baseball cap. I keep a Walt Frazier card framed on my office wall of him in a Cav's uniform to remind me change is enevitable and plan accordingly.

I think if you watch any team more than 40 times a season one begins to "follow" them and eventually root for them.

I don't know what this season holds for us but Im really tired of Starphuching poorly. The Celtics did it well, the Lakers do it well but we suck at it.

For me to be a Net fan at the price of throwing the knicks under the bus would take years and some emotional manipulation.

I can see following and likeing both teams. How I do it I don't know.

So no new paint jobs for the car and no good riddence to Nalod.

If I feel the need to talk Nets I'll do so on another site. But the business of basketball is a topic that is relevant and only those ignoring the facts see it as a threat. Its an opporuntity and lord knows the Knicks are trying!

CrushAlot wrote:Not leaving either. It seems that some have a need to continue to bring this issue up.

I agree- Nalod, are you trying to convince yourself, or are you wanting us to say its okay to go over to the Nets, or are you hoping more people join you so it doesn't seem so bad, or are you just buying time until you can see how the Nets are doing?

Nahhhhhh....

It's simple; fan = fanatic. It doesn't stand for OccasionalWatcherPossibleFollowerFromTheVerandaOfMyLifeIfI'mBeingENTERTAINEDPROPERLY.

Fan-at-tic. You need to have some definite problems in your belfry to care about any one professional sports team, or even professional sports in general, in the grand scheme of things as they are happening in everyday reality.

Analyze it slowly, objectively.

You watch it on TV...for hours a week, maybe per month; would you seriously be paying all those hundreds per month to have 15 flavors of the Reality Channel and Spike TV?

You read/type about it on the net...more hours.

You invest some rubles on the occasional tickets and even sports bar support...even more hours and money.

Loyalty in sports NEVER runs both ways. The players win, everyone's happy. NOBODY in the organization or in the gym during morning shootaround gives three flying blood farts about you and your loyalty to the particular franchise that's enabling their current lifestyle. Anyone on a board or twitter or facebook or blog who thinks differently is smelling something they really shouldn't be.

I log in here because I am a Knicks fan. I love the sport of basketball, and I hobble around now dreaming of getting the 40 inch vertical back (it aint happening, I know). I would kick your 72 inch flatscreen into your inground pool during the NBA Finals with Melo leading the way if it meant getting outside and playing half court for three hours.

If there's no chance of participating, I follow my team. Maybe it's just a genetic thing. You grow up with a team, you stick with them. Changing allegiances within sports has always seemed soo....feminine. [loads both .45's with dum-dums and waits quietly...]

I will follow other players out of sheer fascination, but not out of fandom. Oscar Robertson. Dr J. Moses Malone. Chocolate Thunder, Thunder Dan Marley. AI versus VINsanity. Blake. Sheehit, I even watched a few Lebron Cav highlights a few times.

Obviously people want to discuss this. Out of a worldview where freedom is key, or a worldview where allegiance through all sorts of disgusting pain and agony is.

Pick your choice. Don't validate it. Don't justify it. Just choose and move on.

Then live with it.

Peace.

Bonn1997 wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:Anybody here know the meaning of the term diehard fan? How about life long fan? Just curious.

Yeah it means you're Dolan's bitch.

I thought you don't like words like that?