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misterearl
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10/25/2012  5:04 PM
Bah, Humbug!

NUPE wrote:Way too much Prig hype. Let him play some reg. season games before he is anointed. Felton has played good, overall, and I don't see him getting any credit whatsoever.

NUPE - Raymond Felton will do his thing. He will go into the season the starter. It's all good.

Then again, Felton limited himself to one turnover versus Philadelphia, but he committed an unacceptable six turnovers against Kyle Lowry and the Raptors on October 19. It's that inconsistency in Felton's game that could find Prigioni stealing away the starting job.

Prigioni has averaged just over 21 minutes per game and totaled 31 points, 26 assists and only eight turnovers in the first five preseason games.

Don't listen to The Answer Man, listen to Mike Woodson, "He’s a playmaker. If you’re open, he’s going to find you. And he gets up into you defensively" (per New York Times). And he told the NY Post: “[Pablo] is playing great. In Washington, I thought he was great defensively. [Saturday] he was putting heat on the ball. He played a fantastic game."

This is not a coronation. It is about enjoying something the Knicks have not seen in 40 years. A 35 year old rookie. But if you wanna get excited about a subplot, a feelgood story that was not in the script, what better story than Prigioni?

With defense being Mike Woodson's central philosophy, if Prigioni sustains his current play, it will have him seriously challenging Felton for the starting job. Simply generating steals, limiting turnovers and utilizing his pass-first instincts could make him Woodson's favorite point guard.
- Sean Hojanacki

Stay tuned.

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10/25/2012  5:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2012  5:07 PM
misterearl wrote:Bah, Humbug!

NUPE wrote:Way too much Prig hype. Let him play some reg. season games before he is anointed. Felton has played good, overall, and I don't see him getting any credit whatsoever.

NUPE - Raymond Felton will do his thing. He will go into the season the starter. It's all good.

Then again, Felton limited himself to one turnover versus Philadelphia, but he committed an unacceptable six turnovers against Kyle Lowry and the Raptors on October 19. It's that inconsistency in Felton's game that could find Prigioni stealing away the starting job.

Prigioni has averaged just over 21 minutes per game and totaled 31 points, 26 assists and only eight turnovers in the first five preseason games.

Don't listen to The Answer Man, listen to Mike Woodson, "He’s a playmaker. If you’re open, he’s going to find you. And he gets up into you defensively" (per New York Times). And he told the NY Post: “[Pablo] is playing great. In Washington, I thought he was great defensively. [Saturday] he was putting heat on the ball. He played a fantastic game."

This is not a coronation. It is about enjoying something the Knicks have not seen in 40 years. A 35 year old rookie. But if you wanna get excited about a subplot, a feelgood story that was not in the script, what better story than Prigioni?

With defense being Mike Woodson's central philosophy, if Prigioni sustains his current play, it will have him seriously challenging Felton for the starting job. Simply generating steals, limiting turnovers and utilizing his pass-first instincts could make him Woodson's favorite point guard.
- Sean Hojanacki

Stay tuned.

Prig gambles to get those steals and from I have seen. At times it causes the defense to break down and leads to a bucket for the opposing team. I'd rather have him not gamble so often. Prig's is a good passer and an unwilling shooter. Felton has clearly played better than him, imo.

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10/25/2012  5:09 PM
NUPE wrote:
misterearl wrote:Bah, Humbug!

NUPE wrote:Way too much Prig hype. Let him play some reg. season games before he is anointed. Felton has played good, overall, and I don't see him getting any credit whatsoever.

NUPE - Raymond Felton will do his thing. He will go into the season the starter. It's all good.

Then again, Felton limited himself to one turnover versus Philadelphia, but he committed an unacceptable six turnovers against Kyle Lowry and the Raptors on October 19. It's that inconsistency in Felton's game that could find Prigioni stealing away the starting job.

Prigioni has averaged just over 21 minutes per game and totaled 31 points, 26 assists and only eight turnovers in the first five preseason games.

Don't listen to The Answer Man, listen to Mike Woodson, "He’s a playmaker. If you’re open, he’s going to find you. And he gets up into you defensively" (per New York Times). And he told the NY Post: “[Pablo] is playing great. In Washington, I thought he was great defensively. [Saturday] he was putting heat on the ball. He played a fantastic game."

This is not a coronation. It is about enjoying something the Knicks have not seen in 40 years. A 35 year old rookie. But if you wanna get excited about a subplot, a feelgood story that was not in the script, what better story than Prigioni?

With defense being Mike Woodson's central philosophy, if Prigioni sustains his current play, it will have him seriously challenging Felton for the starting job. Simply generating steals, limiting turnovers and utilizing his pass-first instincts could make him Woodson's favorite point guard.
- Sean Hojanacki

Stay tuned.

Prig gambles to get those steals and from I have seen. At times it causes the defense to break down and leads to a bucket for the opposing team. I'd rather have him not gamble so often. Prig's is a good passer and an unwilling shooter. Felton has clearly played better than him, imo.

You seem paranoid that someone is gonna take felton's spot or soemthing. Instead of just focusing on ray you should realize that we have 3 top point guards who can distribute the ball very well

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10/25/2012  6:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2012  6:43 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
NUPE wrote:
misterearl wrote:Bah, Humbug!

NUPE wrote:Way too much Prig hype. Let him play some reg. season games before he is anointed. Felton has played good, overall, and I don't see him getting any credit whatsoever.

NUPE - Raymond Felton will do his thing. He will go into the season the starter. It's all good.

Then again, Felton limited himself to one turnover versus Philadelphia, but he committed an unacceptable six turnovers against Kyle Lowry and the Raptors on October 19. It's that inconsistency in Felton's game that could find Prigioni stealing away the starting job.

Prigioni has averaged just over 21 minutes per game and totaled 31 points, 26 assists and only eight turnovers in the first five preseason games.

Don't listen to The Answer Man, listen to Mike Woodson, "He’s a playmaker. If you’re open, he’s going to find you. And he gets up into you defensively" (per New York Times). And he told the NY Post: “[Pablo] is playing great. In Washington, I thought he was great defensively. [Saturday] he was putting heat on the ball. He played a fantastic game."

This is not a coronation. It is about enjoying something the Knicks have not seen in 40 years. A 35 year old rookie. But if you wanna get excited about a subplot, a feelgood story that was not in the script, what better story than Prigioni?

With defense being Mike Woodson's central philosophy, if Prigioni sustains his current play, it will have him seriously challenging Felton for the starting job. Simply generating steals, limiting turnovers and utilizing his pass-first instincts could make him Woodson's favorite point guard.
- Sean Hojanacki

Stay tuned.

Prig gambles to get those steals and from I have seen. At times it causes the defense to break down and leads to a bucket for the opposing team. I'd rather have him not gamble so often. Prig's is a good passer and an unwilling shooter. Felton has clearly played better than him, imo.

You seem paranoid that someone is gonna take felton's spot or soemthing. Instead of just focusing on ray you should realize that we have 3 top point guards who can distribute the ball very well

You just seem plain incapable of understanding anything I ever post. I said Prig gambles and he does. Even Clyde stated the same multiple times during the last game or two. Gambling for steals is generally not good defense. As for Felton, if Prig. proves to be better than Felton then Prig. deserves to start. I could care less who the starter is so long as it's the best player. Take your ridiculous assumptions elsewhere.

The only reason that I even mention Felton is because he was heavily criticized and lambasted on this board all off-season and now that he is in shape and looking good the people that primarily bashed him do not want to acknowledge it. So I am doing so.

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10/25/2012  6:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2012  6:50 PM
NUPE wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
NUPE wrote:
misterearl wrote:Bah, Humbug!

NUPE wrote:Way too much Prig hype. Let him play some reg. season games before he is anointed. Felton has played good, overall, and I don't see him getting any credit whatsoever.

NUPE - Raymond Felton will do his thing. He will go into the season the starter. It's all good.

Then again, Felton limited himself to one turnover versus Philadelphia, but he committed an unacceptable six turnovers against Kyle Lowry and the Raptors on October 19. It's that inconsistency in Felton's game that could find Prigioni stealing away the starting job.

Prigioni has averaged just over 21 minutes per game and totaled 31 points, 26 assists and only eight turnovers in the first five preseason games.

Don't listen to The Answer Man, listen to Mike Woodson, "He’s a playmaker. If you’re open, he’s going to find you. And he gets up into you defensively" (per New York Times). And he told the NY Post: “[Pablo] is playing great. In Washington, I thought he was great defensively. [Saturday] he was putting heat on the ball. He played a fantastic game."

This is not a coronation. It is about enjoying something the Knicks have not seen in 40 years. A 35 year old rookie. But if you wanna get excited about a subplot, a feelgood story that was not in the script, what better story than Prigioni?

With defense being Mike Woodson's central philosophy, if Prigioni sustains his current play, it will have him seriously challenging Felton for the starting job. Simply generating steals, limiting turnovers and utilizing his pass-first instincts could make him Woodson's favorite point guard.
- Sean Hojanacki

Stay tuned.

Prig gambles to get those steals and from I have seen. At times it causes the defense to break down and leads to a bucket for the opposing team. I'd rather have him not gamble so often. Prig's is a good passer and an unwilling shooter. Felton has clearly played better than him, imo.

You seem paranoid that someone is gonna take felton's spot or soemthing. Instead of just focusing on ray you should realize that we have 3 top point guards who can distribute the ball very well

You just seem plain incapable of understanding anything I ever post. I said Prig gambles and he does. Even Clyde stated the same multiple times during the last game or two. Gambling for steals is generally not good defense. As for Felton, if Prig. proves to be better than Felton then Prig. deserves to start. I could care less who the starter is so long as it's the best player. Take your ridiculous assumptions elsewhere.

The only reason that I even mention Felton is because he was heavily criticized and lambasted on this board all off-season and now that he is in shape and looking good the people that primarily bashed him do not want to acknowledge it. So I am doing so.

ease up man i was only trying to say that you should be excited that we have 3 experienced point guards that will step up if one goes down. That was a problem last year. i agree with your posts no need to get nasty

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10/25/2012  8:04 PM
misterearl wrote:November

Chris Copeland makes the final cut. He is mentored by Rasheed Wallace. Kurt Thomas starts the season at the four. Amar'e is in and out of the lineup. Rasheed sees his first light by Thanksgiving Day. Responding to his outside range, as he flashes a smile, The Garden fans embrace him.


December

Raymond Felton is solid if not spectacular. He sets the tone. Jason Kidd is rock steady in cameo minutes. Our guard play is a strength. Novak finds his outside stroke and goes on an MVP tear.


January

There is enough intuition between Shumpert and Prigioni to fill two large gyms. Shump provides defense and is a tremendous finisher at the rack. Prigioni brings the change of pace and ball handling. Shump brings the complimentary burst.

OR:

November:

Chris Copeland is our starting PF since Amare and the grandads are in Boca nursing injuries and catching early bird specials

December:

Prigs goes back to Europe due to dejection. Melo says how much he will miss him but that he was also a ridiculously old European so who really cares. Felton is so happy Priggy is gone so that he can jack up more 19 percenters!

January:

Alan Houston becomes the interim knicks coach while they search for a longer term dummy

February:

More knicks fans slowly change their allegiances toward the Barclay center while the Nets are making their playoff run

ITS ALL PART OF DONNIES MASTER PLAN SO FEAR NOT MY FELLOW KNICK FANS, WE HAVE SOME CAP SPACE COMING OUR WAY IN 3 YEARS.

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10/25/2012  9:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2012  9:09 PM
What Really Happens

[just for the non-believer, chicken liver hearted mrKnickShot]

(somewhere in New York)

Pablo Prigioni: They wanna run with me, right? It will be me - Tyson Chandler - and Carmelo.

Let's set the rotation. Get our best fans to MSG to find out where the game is gonna be held. Now, we insist

it's a public place - a playground, a gym - some place where there's plenty of people so I feel safe.

They're gonna question me when I start the season, right, so I can't have Amar'e to start the season.

But if Woody can figure a way - to have a weapon like JR Smith planted there for me - then I'll drop 5 dimes to

'em both.

[Rasheed, Carmelo and Kurt Thomas laugh. Woody shrugs]

Carmelo: Hey, whataya gonna do, nice Argentinian rook, eh? Didn't want to get mixed up in the Knicks

business, huh? Now you wanna gun down Dwyane Wade and Deron Williams, why, because they slapped us in

the face a little bit? Hah? What do you think this is the Euro League, where you shoot jumpers from a mile

away? You've gotta get up close like this and bada-bing! you blow by them in the paint and get dirt all over your

crisp new uniform. Come're...

Pablo (as Carmelo kisses his head)

Carmelo...

CARMELO

You're taking this very personal. Woody, this is business and this 35 year old rookie is taking it very very

personal.

PABLO: Where does it say that I can't play?

Herb Williams: Come on, Pablo...

PABLO: Coach, wait a minute. I'm talking about a Nets team - that's mixed up in the rap game. I'm talking about ah

- ah - a dishonest franchise - a crooked franchise who got mixed up in Newark and got what was

coming to them. Joe Johnson. That's a terrific story. And we have newspaper people on the payroll, don't

we, Woody?

[Woodson nods in the affirmative]

And the fans might like a story like mine.

WOODSON: They might, they just might...

Pablo: (to Carmelo) It's not personal, Melo. It's strictly business.

CUT TO: Jason Kidd's Cellar. Kidd is showing Pablo the game ball he's to use on opening night

JASON KIDD: This basketball as cold as they come - impossible to trace, so you don't worry about prints, Pablo. I put a

special tape on the label, and the skin. Here, try it...

(then, after Pablo dribbles it but doesn't shoot it)

What's the matter, your release too tight?

PABLO (after shooting a three)

Maron, the crowd noise...

JASON KIDD (laughs)

Yeah, The Garden is - that way they scares any pain-in-the-ass fake fans away.

(then)

All right, you took two jumpers - now what do you do?

PABLO:

Sit down during timeouts, finish the game, pace myself ...

KIDD: Come on, rookie, don't fool around. Just keep your head up, and pass the ball whenever you see an open man. Everybody'll still think you got it.

They're gonna be staring at your face, Pablo - so stay outta the lane - but you don't run. You don't wanna be called for three seconds. Don't look nobody

directly in the eye - but you don't look away, either. Hey, they're gonna be scared stiff of you, believe me, so don't worry

about nothin'. You know, you're going to turn out all right. It's a long season -

nobody knows where - and Camby, Tyson and Kurt gonna catch the ball. Shump will be back in January. You're gunna love him too.

PABLO: How bad do you think it's gonna be?

JASON KIDD: Pretty goddamn bad. The entire NBA will line up against us. That's alright -

this thing's gotta happen every five years or so - ten years - helps to get rid of the bad

teams. Been thirteen years since the last championship run. You know you got to stop the imitators at the beginning,

like they should have stopped Lavor Postell at St Johns, They should never've let him get away with

saying he could play. They were just asking for big trouble. You know, Pablo, we was all proud of you -

being an Olympic medalist hero and all. Your head coach, Jorge Canavesi, too.

[Jason Kidd hands Prigioni the basketball after adjusting it. Prigioni points and fires a perfect no-look, alley oop pass]

The beginning.

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10/25/2012  9:09 PM
Misterearl!!

That was a double RON RON post. Are we expected to read that?

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10/25/2012  9:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2012  9:26 PM
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mrKnickShot wrote:Misterearl!!

That was a double RON RON post. Are we expected to read that?

"We?" Are you speaking for everyone now?

Read Only if you are movie literate.

Wise: (from The Lebrons) "RonRon ain't got it like The Answer Man got it."

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10/25/2012  10:03 PM
Well you need to set the tone by gambling on D from time to time - to keep the offense honest and off-balance, worrying whether or not you're gonna play the passing lane or go for the clean swipe.

(To Frazier: You didn't average 2.0+ steals during your prime w/o gambling...)

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10/25/2012  10:32 PM
I think Prigs has been surprising: not just his passing but his tendency to get steals. I'm not worried about him gambling since we'll have Tyson and Camby in the back ground. I think he should and will get back up minutes - especially when Kidd plays some SG. I'm not buying the hype (please lets stop the nash and cp3 comparisons) that hes going to be a great player. I think he'll be a solid PG who can keep the offense moving. As good as Prigs has been, that equals how bad Kidd has been. I think Kidd has been "pacing" himself. Both will balance out once the season starts. At the very least, I think Prigs has earned some playing time off the bench
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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10/26/2012  8:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2012  8:32 AM
Really?

callmened wrote:I think Prigs has been surprising: not just his passing but his tendency to get steals. I'm not worried about him gambling since we'll have Tyson and Camby in the back ground. I think he should and will get back up minutes - especially when Kidd plays some SG. I'm not buying the hype (please lets stop the nash and cp3 comparisons) that hes going to be a great player. I think he'll be a solid PG who can keep the offense moving. As good as Prigs has been, that equals how bad Kidd has been. I think Kidd has been "pacing" himself. Both will balance out once the season starts. At the very least, I think Prigs has earned some playing time off the bench

callmened - Nash and CP3 comparisons? Can you confirm that was ever made by anyone? Can you please cite a source?

Prigioni has caught Mike Woodson's attention and earned his respect. The good news is that our point guard position is the most competitive it has been since Clyde and The Pearl. That is also good news to the tallest frontcourt our Knicks have had since Patrick was on the scene.

Prigioni, Kidd and Felton have multiple big targets:

Chandler 7'(decent hands, strong finisher in close)

Sheed 6'11 (outstanding range, post up moves honed at UNC)

Camby 6'11 (point guard mentality, can catch and finish in traffic)

(Stoudemire 6'10) (see Hakeem- learn the joy of posting and toasting)

Novak 6'10 (leave our sniper open at your own risk)

Kurt Thomas 6'9 (pick and pop specialist + mid range consistency = 47 per cent, which is good enough for The Answer Man)

Sims 6'11 (shows some positive signs, D-league, Hakeem's next student)

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