SupremeCommander wrote:

holfresh wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:CNN after the lection said Obama 'won' 48% to Romey's 40%

Romey barely 'won' on the 'would you be more likely to go with the other guy' polling question 25% to 24%

Again, it's either insane or wishful thinking to say Obama dominated because that just isn't true

If you going to tell the story, tell the whole truth...The majority of people they asked those questions were Republicans and they haven't released the percentage...So if you ask 60/65% of Republicans and came away with 48% for Obama, well dominance probably took place...

so you're saying that CNN only mostly polled Republicans? Source?

CNN...OH you missed Wolf saying the polled mostly Republicans...

SupremeCommander wrote:Also, this reaffirms my position that both candidates suck as it was a foreign policy debate and NO discussion of global climate change; cross-boarder impacts of American drug policy; challenges in Greece/Spain/Italy and the solvency of global markets; Cuba, Chavez and Latin America... Based on last night, one would think our only foreign policy interests were exclusively in the Middle East and China.

from Slate - "The World According to the 2012 Foreign Policy Debate (MAP)"

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am thinking they mainly discussed the middle east, China and partially Russia because that's what the majority of the American public is familiar about. That's not a candidate issue. That's us.

Supreme, did you watch the debates? Perhaps it takes polls for you to decide what you thought but it seemed like Obama handed it to Romney. He had a good rebuttle for every single criticism that Romney handed out and on many other occasions, Romney agreed with Obama. Based on what the two said, it appears that Romney wont do anything better better than Obama, pertaining to this foreign policy.

Allanfan20 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Also, this reaffirms my position that both candidates suck as it was a foreign policy debate and NO discussion of global climate change; cross-boarder impacts of American drug policy; challenges in Greece/Spain/Italy and the solvency of global markets; Cuba, Chavez and Latin America... Based on last night, one would think our only foreign policy interests were exclusively in the Middle East and China.

from Slate - "The World According to the 2012 Foreign Policy Debate (MAP)"

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am thinking they mainly discussed the middle east, China and partially Russia because that's what the majority of the American public is familiar about. That's not a candidate issue. That's us.

Supreme, did you watch the debates? Perhaps it takes polls for you to decide what you thought but it seemed like Obama handed it to Romney. He had a good rebuttle for every single criticism that Romney handed out and on many other occasions, Romney agreed with Obama. Based on what the two said, it appears that Romney wont do anything better better than Obama, pertaining to this foreign policy.

yeah I watched the debates... I've been in the greater DC area on and off for 8+ years. People have literally stopped parties here before to see some vote on CSPAN at 11pm on a Friday night. I'll admit in this instance I was on a three station rotation of the debate, baseball, and football but with the debate taking center stage

I thought Romney's strategy for last night was excellent. If people put down the remote thinking Obama and Romney have the same Commander in Chief politics, then Romney comes out ahead on our most important macro level politics, right? I think the majority of people would say Romney would be better suited for the economy.

Romeny is pulling the same **** Obama did last election, and claiming that 'Washington is broken, I will reach across the aisle.' That was one of the things that got me to vote for Obama the last time around and I'm as independent as it gets.

So I guess it boils down to domestic affairs, and increasingly most are bound by their party anyways. I think when you sum up the three debates, even though Obama 'won' 2 of 3, Romney looks more appealing than he did, because I thought he'd sound like a buffoon in front of a camera

As for last night, I'd call it a draw, simply because Obama clearly would have the advantage heading in as the Commander in Chief. I thought Obama was slightly but clearly more effective last night. I also think people aren't considering the fact that Romney is picking up the Jewish vote and last night's debate is a prime example of that

misterearl wrote:simple minded

IrishKnickFan wrote:
hate obama rooting for romney

ikf - is hate all you got?

can you talk policy or are you stuck on personal bias?

do you think women deserve equal pay for equal work?

Man you really are a nasty SOB. First of all Earl edespite what you think i am not a racist or a bigot. I mean one of my best friends/ basketball teammate happens to be African American.

izybx wrote:

misterearl wrote:simple minded

IrishKnickFan wrote:
hate obama rooting for romney

ikf - is hate all you got?

can you talk policy or are you stuck on personal bias?

do you think women deserve equal pay for equal work?

This is why its frustrating to post in the political threads here. Why does anyone who disagrees have to be insulted? I was called ignorant in the other thread. Here you call someone simple-minded. Who are you to insult someone like this? Do you feel that it is possible for someone to have an informed opinion that differs from your own? Or does a difference in opinion have to come from either stupidity or bigotry?

Thank You man I appreciate that I respect you

SupremeCommander wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Didnt mean that as an insult so my bad... I am an independant too for the record. My reasons for my Obama vote are bc of education, the environment and I am pro choice. Obama seems to have a pretty good grasp on the foreign policy too.

no worries man... I know you didn't mean it like that... it's just the nature of politics and why they say you shouldn't talk about it

Honestly, I will probably vote again for Obama, but begrudgingly. My biggest beef with Obama is he still can't articulate a firm vision because he doesn't have one. I feel like he's the master marketer... able to sell a piece of **** as solid goal but after I've bought from him I'm still holding a big turd. But as my messageboard career has demonstrated, I'm not a fan of change for change's sake. Romney has to earn the win. Last election 'flip-flopper' was the buzzword. I feel Romney is a bit worse in that he has held every position one could hold... it's ridiculous. I also feel strongly that either do not deserve to be the figurehead of our country. Where's Warren Buffet? Hilary Clinton? (I honestly can't think of a good hypothetical Republican candidate)

For what it's worth, having lived in the Middle East, I believe a lot of our problems internationally are due to how we've positioned ourselves with Israel. I actually support Obama's tact, however, I would've included Israel a bit more. I do think it's crazy that if the Obama loses, you can probably pin it entirely on how he dismissed the Jewish electorate

You know, for some reason even though Democrats are always portrayed as the enemy of Israel and Republicans as Israel's Jewish people still vote overwhelmingly for Democrats.

I think this is legitimate... 'the apology tour' as Romney put it, was noticeable then. I don't agree that it was an apology. It is hard to argue that it wasn't a bit insulting, however, that he didn't go there to speak while he speaking with perceived enemies of the Israeli state

And maybe because this is because I'm firmly independent, I never saw the Democratic party as an enemy of Israel--I always thought that electorate and Democrats were in bed together. I also thought it would be a cold day in hell when the Republican candidate would have a legit opportunity to grab the Jewish constituency. Jewish friends were discussing the possibility of voting for Romney months ago

Just because you and your friends are considering it does not make it a trend. Republicans and the media have been talking about Israel and the Jewish vote since Clinton was President but it hasn't changed yet. What I think is somewhat insulting is the belief that Jewish people are single issue voters more concerned with Israel than the country they live in.

misterearl wrote:Nasty SOB or Piss Poor Reading Comprehension?

IrishKnickFan wrote:
Man you really are a nasty SOB. First of all Earl edespite what you think i am not a racist or a bigot. I mean one of my best friends/ basketball teammate happens to be African American.

IKF - no one called you a racist or a bigot. Ever. Nowhere. Unless you can find it, you should retract it.

One of my favorite family members happens to be part Irish.

Either way Earl you are insulting me calling me simple minded. Also i have no perosnal bias toward anybody i just have an opinion. I repsect others opinions you should the same. I mean all you had to do was say "Hey Irish why don't you like Obama? It a polite way of asking a question without insulting. But the reason i dislike obama deals with unemployment i mean my siblings have had to deal with that its tough to see them struggle to support their families because of the unemployment issues. Also another reason is the us ambassador that was killed pleaded to beef up security and nothing was done about it

IrishKnickFan wrote:

misterearl wrote:simple minded

IrishKnickFan wrote:
I mean one of my best friends/ basketball teammate happens to be African American.

Seriously??? This line is a friggin cliche from the "I am not a racist, although I hate anybody who doesn't look/pray/think like me" playbook

misterearl wrote:Hate Obama

IKF - no one insulted you. It was called as it was read. Your words were clear. There is absolutely nothing polite about hate. Nothing. You sell hate, yet you want me to buy into a polite response to protect yourself. "hey IKF why do you DISLIKE Obama"? GTFOHWTB. Hate was YOUR word dude. Not dislike.

Have you ever studied the residue of hate in this country towards anything that is labelled "the other"?

If you cannot back up your political stance with anything but whining, what is the point?

Can you answer either question?

Yes or no?

Also when i say hate obama that doesnt mean i want anything bad to happen to him i just dont like his policies and think romney will do better. I mean im teh kind of guy that helps others before myself