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Amare's Gimpy Knee: The Silver Lining (?)
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mrKnickShot
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10/22/2012  2:13 PM
holfresh wrote:How did it help us against Miami in the playoffs?

Our main issue in the playoffs was not having any guard play.

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10/22/2012  2:15 PM
WE doing silver linings already? Before the season?

Panic City!

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10/22/2012  2:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2012  2:18 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:How did it help us against Miami in the playoffs?

Our main issue in the playoffs was not having any guard play.

And a second option...Two years in a row...I'm amzed that people think Melo can do it on his own while team like the Lakers are stacking up 4 guys in their starting line ups..

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10/22/2012  2:17 PM
You nailed it. My post was rife with panic. Thank you for the thoughtful, measured response.
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10/22/2012  3:45 PM
Nalod wrote:WE doing silver linings already? Before the season?

Panic City!

Not to be a Cassandra, but I have a really bad feeling about this season. We're going to have a lot of injuries with Amare, all the old timers, plus Brewer and Shrump. It's gonna be another wasted season. I feel it.

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10/22/2012  3:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2012  3:50 PM
Miami had hiccups in the playoffs last year with 2 top 5 guys in the starting lineup...It wasn't until Bosh came back that their team began clicking...But we think Melo can do it alone...
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10/22/2012  4:09 PM
Panos wrote:
Nalod wrote:WE doing silver linings already? Before the season?

Panic City!

Not to be a Cassandra, but I have a really bad feeling about this season. We're going to have a lot of injuries with Amare, all the old timers, plus Brewer and Shrump. It's gonna be another wasted season. I feel it.

I feel the same. Don't know if its just a self protective personality guarding my emotions designed to lower my expectations and not "Get hurt".

I had them at 52 wins and did anticipate some injury but we can't ever get our top two guys on the court at the same time! Even in practice.

Im going to have to take them down to 48 wins. The ESPN poll of GM's had them tied for 2nd place with Brooklyn who I pegged at 49 wins. Its likely a more accurate outlook.

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10/22/2012  4:14 PM
holfresh wrote:Miami had hiccups in the playoffs last year with 2 top 5 guys in the starting lineup...It wasn't until Bosh came back that their team began clicking...But we think Melo can do it alone...

As mrknick pointed out our issues was no pg play and having shumpert out and tyson sick. Amare really had no bearing to be honest

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10/22/2012  4:27 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Miami had hiccups in the playoffs last year with 2 top 5 guys in the starting lineup...It wasn't until Bosh came back that their team began clicking...But we think Melo can do it alone...

As mrknick pointed out our issues was no pg play and having shumpert out and tyson sick. Amare really had no bearing to be honest

That is not really what I said.

I said that our MAIN issue was lack of any guard/guard-play.

Of course Amare being hurt (again) and Tyson's no show made a difference.

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10/22/2012  4:36 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Miami had hiccups in the playoffs last year with 2 top 5 guys in the starting lineup...It wasn't until Bosh came back that their team began clicking...But we think Melo can do it alone...

As mrknick pointed out our issues was no pg play and having shumpert out and tyson sick. Amare really had no bearing to be honest

That is not really what I said.

I said that our MAIN issue was lack of any guard/guard-play.

Of course Amare being hurt (again) and Tyson's no show made a difference.

i apologize

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10/22/2012  5:13 PM
I'm truly lost with this...I have never got a good explanation when asked...Why does everyone think less is more with the Knicks and they only need Melo offensively in the starting lineup??..I don't get it..
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10/22/2012  5:17 PM
holfresh wrote:I'm truly lost with this...I have never got a good explanation when asked...Why does everyone think less is more with the Knicks and they only need Melo offensively in the starting lineup??..I don't get it..

It was just a suggestion. I may be wrong. It just seems like when amare and melo are on the court they dont mesh well. And we know amare cant play defense at all. I just like melo at the 4. He not only can blow by the opposing power forwards but he also is a great rebounder. im not saying that amare and melo should never play together but i dont think it will hurt to experiment with amare coming off the bench. If anything it may keep amare healthy

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10/22/2012  6:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2012  6:30 PM
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:How did it help us against Miami in the playoffs?

Our main issue in the playoffs was not having any guard play.

And a second option...Two years in a row...I'm amzed that people think Melo can do it on his own while team like the Lakers are stacking up 4 guys in their starting line ups..

I agree wholeheartedly and its the same people who feel the Knicks won't miss Lin and his ability to take over games. While taking the pressure off Melo and Amare who aren't even same level superstars as other teams like LA, Miami, OKC and Boston. I hate raining on fellow Knicks fans parade with negativity but I refused to be disillusioned by the Dolan and the Knicks propaganda machine any longer. After 12yrs of changing gms, coaches and trading draft picks for castoffs, its becoming clear as day who the main culprit is.

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10/22/2012  6:26 PM
Panos wrote:
Nalod wrote:WE doing silver linings already? Before the season?

Panic City!

Not to be a Cassandra, but I have a really bad feeling about this season. We're going to have a lot of injuries with Amare, all the old timers, plus Brewer and Shrump. It's gonna be another wasted season. I feel it.

It sure is headed in that direction right off the bat. It's no longer a coincidence. We are not "cursed" and out of luck. It is what happens when you go after castoffs with history of injuries and bloated contracts. I felt we would finish ahead of the the Nets, Pacers and Sixers now with Amare in and out of the lineup again I pencil us in more another 1st round sweep to Miami. Call it pessimistic whatever I'm sick of investing time on this team when the owner is a clueless, reactionary a-hole

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10/22/2012  6:30 PM
holfresh wrote:I'm truly lost with this...I have never got a good explanation when asked...Why does everyone think less is more with the Knicks and they only need Melo offensively in the starting lineup??..I don't get it..

and the fact that they are going to have to coexist because both with be in the game in the 4th quarter anyway. You trade one of the two. Perfect world we trade Amare. In a more realistic world we trade Melo who has value or simply wait another 3yrs and hope Dolan allows for the 1st time a true rebuild after so many failed attempts at acquiring castoffs.

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10/22/2012  6:31 PM
holfresh wrote:How did it help us against Miami in the playoffs?

Nothing short of a magician would have helped us there.
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10/22/2012  9:33 PM
Linsanity required neither melo or amare.
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10/22/2012  10:35 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:I'm truly lost with this...I have never got a good explanation when asked...Why does everyone think less is more with the Knicks and they only need Melo offensively in the starting lineup??..I don't get it..

and the fact that they are going to have to coexist because both with be in the game in the 4th quarter anyway. You trade one of the two. Perfect world we trade Amare. In a more realistic world we trade Melo who has value or simply wait another 3yrs and hope Dolan allows for the 1st time a true rebuild after so many failed attempts at acquiring castoffs.

What is a true rebuild? Being bad for 5 years to get high draft picks? About 1% of teams that do this get deep into the playoffs as a result. We have about a 2% chance of getting a player as good as Melo to build around. How is the true rebuild going for Detroit, Sacramento, Golden State, Charlotte, Washington, etc? There's only 1 OKC and 1 San Antonio. I don't get the fascination with this.

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10/22/2012  10:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2012  10:42 PM
99.9% of championship teams have at least 1 guy they drafted. It makes taking a chance on other teams free agents a lot less of a gamble. Need me to list those championship teams and their star homegrown players again?
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10/22/2012  11:44 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:How did it help us against Miami in the playoffs?

Nothing short of a magician would have helped us there.

Or if Lin, Amare and Chandler actually played we could have possibly done better than the great Thunder.

But without them, we just merely did the same.

Amare's Gimpy Knee: The Silver Lining (?)

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