dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Melo needs help. We have no scorers outside of Smith.

No one else can consistently create their own offense.

LOL melo needs help. you do realize he was instrumental in creating this entire situation... right?

Enough with blaming him for the trade. Its silly.

It is not a blame Melo thread.
It is accountability thread.
Melo is now solely responsible for the fortunes of the Knicks club.
This is a honor and a responsibility.
If he will put his talent and soul into it and make it for a great run (like Pat and other Knicks greats) he will be the King on NYC.
If he will fail the team will fail with him.
Yes - he will need help but is is up to him to play and act the way other players, coaches, and fans will be able to help him.

I do not disagree with this. He will go as they go. Get the fame and the blame, and that is fair since that is what star players need to live with. That is why they get paid.

Its not always fair but thats life. He is not playing with Lebron, Wade, Shaq, KG, Duncan ... but that is life. Life is not always fair.

if he is in fact not playing with players equal to or better than he is then it's his own fault for creating a situation that results from his equating himself with those players he considers himself equal to or better than.

he got paid the max-- more than his actual worth whether he or his fans realize this-- and he enabled the decimation of the team he wanted to come to-- the decimation also being more than his actual worth... whether he or his supporters realize this-- because of a level of greed and an ego that were bigger than his actual skill and talent level.

all the negative shyt up to now and going forward traces itself back to his decisions and those of his business partners, dolan being primary among them, and including his moronic posse and ignoramus wife.

injuries to fellow players are part of melo's karma.

"not always fair" is a copout.

Now this is BS and I am sure you probably know that.

He is not the Knicks GM or Denvers. If the knicks decided to stupidly overpay, he was not the one who made that decision and the dopes that think he was are just that. Dopes.

Who is better than him on the team? And please don't give me a biased haters view. Lets discuss marketability around the league.

He has many faults and we know who's league he is not it - we don't need to regurgitate that. Top 15? Top 20? Sounds good - who cares.

I am not even a big Melo fan, I just hate bs arguments. I could care less if they traded him tomorrow (for fair value).

Did Ewing cripple this franchise? If yes, do you hate him for it? He did not make the dumb Rice trade. Let's not give these pawns to much credit.

arkrud wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't know why people try talking this dumb **** about our assets when we didn't have any. Melo wanted to be here and I'm glad we got him. He didn't whiff at LBJ, he didn't sign Amare to 5 years, he didn't draft gallo instead Bropez or Hill instead of Jennings.

Your legs just don't break because you don't drink Milk one morning. The Knicks have been robbed of big time talent for years, way before they tried to get LBJ.

I'm glad Melos here now and not in Brooklyn because we let him hit free agency and Utah called the Nets because of all the assets they have first.

Melo wanted the Max. He will go anywhere where the Max is provided.
Max and NY as a bonus was great. Good for Melo and his agent.
Good job.

Uh ... should he not want the max? Are you being serious?

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Melo needs help. We have no scorers outside of Smith.

No one else can consistently create their own offense.

LOL melo needs help. you do realize he was instrumental in creating this entire situation... right?

Enough with blaming him for the trade. Its silly.

It is not a blame Melo thread.
It is accountability thread.
Melo is now solely responsible for the fortunes of the Knicks club.
This is a honor and a responsibility.
If he will put his talent and soul into it and make it for a great run (like Pat and other Knicks greats) he will be the King on NYC.
If he will fail the team will fail with him.
Yes - he will need help but is is up to him to play and act the way other players, coaches, and fans will be able to help him.

I do not disagree with this. He will go as they go. Get the fame and the blame, and that is fair since that is what star players need to live with. That is why they get paid.

Its not always fair but thats life. He is not playing with Lebron, Wade, Shaq, KG, Duncan ... but that is life. Life is not always fair.

if he is in fact not playing with players equal to or better than he is then it's his own fault for creating a situation that results from his equating himself with those players he considers himself equal to or better than.

he got paid the max-- more than his actual worth whether he or his fans realize this-- and he enabled the decimation of the team he wanted to come to-- the decimation also being more than his actual worth... whether he or his supporters realize this-- because of a level of greed and an ego that were bigger than his actual skill and talent level.

all the negative shyt up to now and going forward traces itself back to his decisions and those of his business partners, dolan being primary among them, and including his moronic posse and ignoramus wife.

injuries to fellow players are part of melo's karma.

"not always fair" is a copout.

Now this is BS and I am sure you probably know that.

He is not the Knicks GM or Denvers. If the knicks decided to stupidly overpay, he was not the one who made that decision and the dopes that think he was are just that. Dopes.

Who is better than him on the team? And please don't give me a biased haters view. Lets discuss marketability around the league.

He has many faults and we know who's league he is not it - we don't need to regurgitate that. Top 15? Top 20? Sounds good - who cares.

I am not even a big Melo fan, I just hate bs arguments. I could care less if they traded him tomorrow (for fair value).

Did Ewing cripple this franchise? If yes, do you hate him for it? He did not make the dumb Rice trade. Let's not give these pawns to much credit.

It is silly to balme Melo for Creative Artists and Dolan dealings.
He sold his body for good price. My problem if he also sold his soul.
Player can get max and play for idiot owner but still be great (like Stat for us in 2010).

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Melo needs help. We have no scorers outside of Smith.

No one else can consistently create their own offense.

LOL melo needs help. you do realize he was instrumental in creating this entire situation... right?

Enough with blaming him for the trade. Its silly.

It is not a blame Melo thread.
It is accountability thread.
Melo is now solely responsible for the fortunes of the Knicks club.
This is a honor and a responsibility.
If he will put his talent and soul into it and make it for a great run (like Pat and other Knicks greats) he will be the King on NYC.
If he will fail the team will fail with him.
Yes - he will need help but is is up to him to play and act the way other players, coaches, and fans will be able to help him.

I do not disagree with this. He will go as they go. Get the fame and the blame, and that is fair since that is what star players need to live with. That is why they get paid.

Its not always fair but thats life. He is not playing with Lebron, Wade, Shaq, KG, Duncan ... but that is life. Life is not always fair.

if he is in fact not playing with players equal to or better than he is then it's his own fault for creating a situation that results from his equating himself with those players he considers himself equal to or better than.

he got paid the max-- more than his actual worth whether he or his fans realize this-- and he enabled the decimation of the team he wanted to come to-- the decimation also being more than his actual worth... whether he or his supporters realize this-- because of a level of greed and an ego that were bigger than his actual skill and talent level.

all the negative shyt up to now and going forward traces itself back to his decisions and those of his business partners, dolan being primary among them, and including his moronic posse and ignoramus wife.

injuries to fellow players are part of melo's karma.

"not always fair" is a copout.

Now this is BS and I am sure you probably know that.

He is not the Knicks GM or Denvers. If the knicks decided to stupidly overpay, he was not the one who made that decision and the dopes that think he was are just that. Dopes.

Who is better than him on the team? And please don't give me a biased haters view. Lets discuss marketability around the league.

He has many faults and we know who's league he is not it - we don't need to regurgitate that. Top 15? Top 20? Sounds good - who cares.

I am not even a big Melo fan, I just hate bs arguments. I could care less if they traded him tomorrow (for fair value).

Did Ewing cripple this franchise? If yes, do you hate him for it? He did not make the dumb Rice trade. Let's not give these pawns to much credit.

It is silly to balme Melo for Creative Artists and Dolan dealings.
He sold his body for good price. My problem if he also sold his soul.
Player can get max and play for idiot owner but still be great (like Stat for us in 2010).

2010a or 2010b?

That was a great deal - I would do it all over again

How did he sell his soul? He should have gone to the Nets?

dk7th wrote:

arkrud wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Melo needs help. We have no scorers outside of Smith.

No one else can consistently create their own offense.

LOL melo needs help. you do realize he was instrumental in creating this entire situation... right?

Enough with blaming him for the trade. Its silly.

It is not a blame Melo thread.
It is accountability thread.
Melo is now solely responsible for the fortunes of the Knicks club.
This is a honor and a responsibility.
If he will put his talent and soul into it and make it for a great run (like Pat and other Knicks greats) he will be the King on NYC.
If he will fail the team will fail with him.
Yes - he will need help but is is up to him to play and act the way other players, coaches, and fans will be able to help him.

I do not disagree with this. He will go as they go. Get the fame and the blame, and that is fair since that is what star players need to live with. That is why they get paid.

Its not always fair but thats life. He is not playing with Lebron, Wade, Shaq, KG, Duncan ... but that is life. Life is not always fair.

if he is in fact not playing with players equal to or better than he is then it's his own fault for creating a situation that results from his equating himself with those players he considers himself equal to or better than.

he got paid the max-- more than his actual worth whether he or his fans realize this-- and he enabled the decimation of the team he wanted to come to-- the decimation also being more than his actual worth... whether he or his supporters realize this-- because of a level of greed and an ego that were bigger than his actual skill and talent level.

all the negative shyt up to now and going forward traces itself back to his decisions and those of his business partners, dolan being primary among them, and including his moronic posse and ignoramus wife.

injuries to fellow players are part of melo's karma.

"not always fair" is a copout.

A lot of fans are failing Melo even before he actually failed.
It is not fair but telling.
He dig himself a huge hole and will need to put a lot of work to get out of it.
I am not talking about money - he get a max he can get.
I am talking about legacy and greatness. Not sure if he cares about it.
Not sure too many do in todays NBA anyways.
Money, greed, fame (even for being silly), and ego are rulling the day.
My facination of the Knicks team before Melo trade was about a bunch of people who love the game.
Same was my feelings during Linsanity.
The current Melo-team will need to win me back somehow... will see..

if he isn't (a) interested in winning and (b) able to lead a team to winning then how will he be able to win you back?

how can you be considered a winner when you haven't devoted yourself to being in supreme shape, devoted yourself to being a top flight defender, devoted yourself to making all the hustle plays, devoted yourself to putting the right situation above money?

Not interested in winning? Uh ... how did you derive this?

What playoff series did you feel like he did not give it his all? Maybe he could have done better, shot better ... but did he not give it his all?

Maybe he would be better off being on IR. Some fans like players better when they are IR - ahem.

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

arkrud wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Melo needs help. We have no scorers outside of Smith.

No one else can consistently create their own offense.

LOL melo needs help. you do realize he was instrumental in creating this entire situation... right?

Enough with blaming him for the trade. Its silly.

It is not a blame Melo thread.
It is accountability thread.
Melo is now solely responsible for the fortunes of the Knicks club.
This is a honor and a responsibility.
If he will put his talent and soul into it and make it for a great run (like Pat and other Knicks greats) he will be the King on NYC.
If he will fail the team will fail with him.
Yes - he will need help but is is up to him to play and act the way other players, coaches, and fans will be able to help him.

I do not disagree with this. He will go as they go. Get the fame and the blame, and that is fair since that is what star players need to live with. That is why they get paid.

Its not always fair but thats life. He is not playing with Lebron, Wade, Shaq, KG, Duncan ... but that is life. Life is not always fair.

if he is in fact not playing with players equal to or better than he is then it's his own fault for creating a situation that results from his equating himself with those players he considers himself equal to or better than.

he got paid the max-- more than his actual worth whether he or his fans realize this-- and he enabled the decimation of the team he wanted to come to-- the decimation also being more than his actual worth... whether he or his supporters realize this-- because of a level of greed and an ego that were bigger than his actual skill and talent level.

all the negative shyt up to now and going forward traces itself back to his decisions and those of his business partners, dolan being primary among them, and including his moronic posse and ignoramus wife.

injuries to fellow players are part of melo's karma.

"not always fair" is a copout.

A lot of fans are failing Melo even before he actually failed.
It is not fair but telling.
He dig himself a huge hole and will need to put a lot of work to get out of it.
I am not talking about money - he get a max he can get.
I am talking about legacy and greatness. Not sure if he cares about it.
Not sure too many do in todays NBA anyways.
Money, greed, fame (even for being silly), and ego are rulling the day.
My facination of the Knicks team before Melo trade was about a bunch of people who love the game.
Same was my feelings during Linsanity.
The current Melo-team will need to win me back somehow... will see..

if he isn't (a) interested in winning and (b) able to lead a team to winning then how will he be able to win you back?

how can you be considered a winner when you haven't devoted yourself to being in supreme shape, devoted yourself to being a top flight defender, devoted yourself to making all the hustle plays, devoted yourself to putting the right situation above money?

Not interested in winning? Uh ... how did you derive this?

What playoff series did you feel like he did not give it his all? Maybe he could have done better, shot better ... but did he not give it his all?

Maybe he would be better off being on IR. Some fans like players better when they are IR - ahem.

this guy has never been in supreme shape. name me one player other than shaq who led his team to a title that was not in supreme shape.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't know why people try talking this dumb **** about our assets when we didn't have any. Melo wanted to be here and I'm glad we got him. He didn't whiff at LBJ, he didn't sign Amare to 5 years, he didn't draft gallo instead Bropez or Hill instead of Jennings.

Your legs just don't break because you don't drink one morning, knicks have been robbed of big time talent for years. I'm glad his here now and not in Brooklyn because we let him hit free agency and Utah called the Nets because of all the assets they have first.

melo wanted to be here? riiiight. melo wanted money MONEY MONEY. what part of his agenda do you not understand? "i honestly thought i was going to the nets." it was about money first and situation a distant second. he did not want to wait for free agency because he wanted as much money as possible!

we were building around amare which meant an upgrade at POINT GUARD. walsh had felton on a short and cheap contract.

melo is blameless in your eyes? duly noted

The money was there for him in jersey but he would not commit to signing there. Melo wanted ny and he wanted a deal in place before the owners locked the players out. Remember the owners let it be known that big changes were coming with the new cba.

what big changes?

lets think logically and mathematically about this just this once.

do you guys understand the notion of "order of magnitude"?

order of magnitude has to do with exponents, or powers of ten.

carmelo anthony stood to lose perhaps 15 million dollars out of a possible 100 million dollars. that is a potential loss within the same order of magnitude-- nothing remotely close to threatening his way of life.

how much would 15 million dollars be missed in a career of earning more than 150 million dollars.

yes it is completely easy for me to say, because everyone here knows that anything above 15 million dollars is in itself the making of a good life! and he stood to earn more than 5 times that amount on one free agent contract alone!

arkrud wrote:It is silly to blame Melo for Creative Artists and Dolan dealings.
He sold his body for good price. My problem if he also sold his soul.

arkrud wrote:I am talking about legacy and greatness. Not sure if he cares about it.
Not sure too many do in todays NBA anyways.
My facination of the Knicks team before Melo trade was about a bunch of people who love the game.
Same was my feelings during Linsanity.

dk7th wrote:if he isn't (a) interested in winning and (b) able to lead a team to winning then how will he be able to win you back?

how can you be considered a winner when you haven't devoted yourself to being in supreme shape, devoted yourself to being a top flight defender, devoted yourself to making all the hustle plays, devoted yourself to putting the right situation above money?

arkrud wrote:So far in his NBA run Melo was playing for Melo.
Now he is in the position to prove othervise.

I love reading about metaphysical issues on a Knicks board.

I wonder if players sit and wonder if fans are truly interested in the success of the team they post/tweet/talk about, or are only exercising a constant need to beeyatch and moan endlessly...

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Melo needs help. We have no scorers outside of Smith.

No one else can consistently create their own offense.

LOL melo needs help. you do realize he was instrumental in creating this entire situation... right?

Enough with blaming him for the trade. Its silly.

It is not a blame Melo thread.
It is accountability thread.
Melo is now solely responsible for the fortunes of the Knicks club.
This is a honor and a responsibility.
If he will put his talent and soul into it and make it for a great run (like Pat and other Knicks greats) he will be the King on NYC.
If he will fail the team will fail with him.
Yes - he will need help but is is up to him to play and act the way other players, coaches, and fans will be able to help him.

I do not disagree with this. He will go as they go. Get the fame and the blame, and that is fair since that is what star players need to live with. That is why they get paid.

Its not always fair but thats life. He is not playing with Lebron, Wade, Shaq, KG, Duncan ... but that is life. Life is not always fair.

if he is in fact not playing with players equal to or better than he is then it's his own fault for creating a situation that results from his equating himself with those players he considers himself equal to or better than.

he got paid the max-- more than his actual worth whether he or his fans realize this-- and he enabled the decimation of the team he wanted to come to-- the decimation also being more than his actual worth... whether he or his supporters realize this-- because of a level of greed and an ego that were bigger than his actual skill and talent level.

all the negative shyt up to now and going forward traces itself back to his decisions and those of his business partners, dolan being primary among them, and including his moronic posse and ignoramus wife.

injuries to fellow players are part of melo's karma.

"not always fair" is a copout.

very well put... part of the reason melo is here and this team is old and decimated has to do with HIM!!!

Tired of hearing "melo needs help"... heck isn't that what we were saying about amare and the kids.. get them some help? instead we get rid of them..

well melo needs help, lets at least be consistent and get rid of him.. right?

this is simple Dk.. melo is not a guy you build around.. simple and plain, denver tried for 9 years... they tried.... they found out what some of us already knew.... Don't build around this guy...... It is not hate, just and opinion based on years of evidence..

I have found it to be odd that carmelo always finds himself in situations where "he needs help".. how is that possible?

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Melo needs help. We have no scorers outside of Smith.

No one else can consistently create their own offense.

LOL melo needs help. you do realize he was instrumental in creating this entire situation... right?

Enough with blaming him for the trade. Its silly.

It is not a blame Melo thread.
It is accountability thread.
Melo is now solely responsible for the fortunes of the Knicks club.
This is a honor and a responsibility.
If he will put his talent and soul into it and make it for a great run (like Pat and other Knicks greats) he will be the King on NYC.
If he will fail the team will fail with him.
Yes - he will need help but is is up to him to play and act the way other players, coaches, and fans will be able to help him.

I do not disagree with this. He will go as they go. Get the fame and the blame, and that is fair since that is what star players need to live with. That is why they get paid.

Its not always fair but thats life. He is not playing with Lebron, Wade, Shaq, KG, Duncan ... but that is life. Life is not always fair.

if he is in fact not playing with players equal to or better than he is then it's his own fault for creating a situation that results from his equating himself with those players he considers himself equal to or better than.

he got paid the max-- more than his actual worth whether he or his fans realize this-- and he enabled the decimation of the team he wanted to come to-- the decimation also being more than his actual worth... whether he or his supporters realize this-- because of a level of greed and an ego that were bigger than his actual skill and talent level.

all the negative shyt up to now and going forward traces itself back to his decisions and those of his business partners, dolan being primary among them, and including his moronic posse and ignoramus wife.

injuries to fellow players are part of melo's karma.

"not always fair" is a copout.

very well put... part of the reason melo is here and this team is old and decimated has to do with HIM!!!

Tired of hearing "melo needs help"... heck isn't that what we were saying about amare and the kids.. get them some help? instead we get rid of them..

well melo needs help, lets at least be consistent and get rid of him.. right?

this is simple Dk.. melo is not a guy you build around.. simple and plain, denver tried for 9 years... they tried.... they found out what some of us already knew.... Don't build around this guy...... It is not hate, just and opinion based on years of evidence..

I have found it to be odd that carmelo always finds himself in situations where "he needs help".. how is that possible?

Interesting that Denver tried hard to resign him. Hhhhmmmmmm

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't know why people try talking this dumb **** about our assets when we didn't have any. Melo wanted to be here and I'm glad we got him. He didn't whiff at LBJ, he didn't sign Amare to 5 years, he didn't draft gallo instead Bropez or Hill instead of Jennings.

Your legs just don't break because you don't drink Milk one morning. The Knicks have been robbed of big time talent for years, way before they tried to get LBJ.

I'm glad Melos here now and not in Brooklyn because we let him hit free agency and Utah called the Nets because of all the assets they have first.

Melo wanted the Max. He will go anywhere where the Max is provided.
Max and NY as a bonus was great. Good for Melo and his agent.
Good job.

Uh ... should he not want the max? Are you being serious?

should he not want the best team around him to win.. if given the choice which one do you think he should choose? tell me, less money and a better team, or more money and a decimated team? I will let you answer that one..