How often do you play ball, and see the worst player on the court talking sht, almost never..There's the silent assins like Allan Houston and Hakeem that will roast you and not say a word before or after, but how many NBA players talk trash that aren't the most competitive, and the most talented.

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tkf wrote:I feel bad for mugsy, but jordan was an assasine, if mugsy hits that shot, jordan looks like a fool and mugsy is now probably one of the best spot up shooting mid range PG's in the league... you either make the plays or you don't.. no place for hard feelings..

Jordan was a killer on the court.. Killers aren't nice...

JVG was correct when he said jordan befriends guys and then kills them on the court.. which is why I am not a fan of all of this country club behavior, toasting at weddings and trying to hook up and play BFF, in a grown man's business....

but now all of these guys jordan killed,some of them are Gm's and coach's, they have a chance to get back at him....LOL

The circle of NBA life...

They sure are getting him back now!

I don't know why I still buy the pricks shoes. It's amazing how the most successful people are the most unhappy people. That emptiness is probably what drives them.

Being a smiley happy guy will get you know where.

for me they fit my flat feet well.. LOL and I like them.... but he is a jerkoff.. but he wins and he excels.. people like that..

That's hilarious. I wear them for the same reason - flat feet.

I feel like a traitor. But, its all about the feet.

Am I a bad guy for being happy that his life crashed? Divorced, Bad GM, etc ...

That is what I hated about kobe too. They strutted like they owned the world and their shyt don't stink and everyone bowed to them. However, kobe went down early with the rape allegation so I felt better. Needed to come down from his perch. Jordan did it for his whole career. Smiling at the portland bench after each 3 - PUKE!!

I'll take the half billion and the prick shoes and see how it works for me thank you...

Nah - money won't make you happy. He is miserable. Is Dolan happy?

How do u know Dolan isn't happy??..Jordan is miserable, because fans say so???...He is divorced, owns a basketball team, plays golf all day and has close to 1 billion dollars..Ok, what am I missing...

Everything.

Dolan is miserable because he is a colossal failure. It ain't easy inheriting money and fail. Thats why he is so damn paranoid.

Jordan is a miserable because he is so freakin image conscious and his image is taking a slamming. Did you watch his HOF speech? Did that seem like a happy man to you?

Failure in your eyes???..Their basketball teams aren't winning???...But Dolan is making bank off the team, it is a business, his stock has more than doubled since it's IPO, so yes he is winning...I'm sorry dude...I think there is a lot more to people than what is presented in public and happiness cannot be assessed by what is perceived in press conferences and speeches...Life is a little more deeper than that...

Maybe Dolan is happy. I don't think so. Do you?

It's obviously an opinion. Do I know it? Of course not. Maybe he has epilepsy - can you be sure if he does or does not? We all form opinions based on what we see and that is my opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong - who knows.

You don't think that Jordan is bitter?

Keep in mind, I haven't got to the bad part that everybody is talking about. But so far, he gave everybody their props and talked about where his competitive edge came from.

blkexec wrote:OK...before I watch any further, I'm 6 minutes into the video. And I'm loving it. Sorry to be different, but maybe because I'm the pickup basketball version of MJ....So I understand how it feels to be titled as gifted, but also over confident and excellent trash talker. When you have offensive skills that one person can not stop, and you're a lock down defender, it's hard not to be a (perceived) d!ck.

Keep in mind, I haven't got to the bad part that everybody is talking about. But so far, he gave everybody their props and talked about where his competitive edge came from.

Wow....half way thru and I'm loving it. Maybe I'm just different or maybe I understand where MJ is coming from. But I have no problems so far with what he's saying. It's funny how non basketball players, analysis or role players don't understand. Great players do. I have that same fire, and hold the same grudges with players, without them even knowing. But thats what makes you a great player. It's all about your competitive edge.

For example: I'm 6 month out of surgery. Torn achilles and removed a bone spur in my heel....Hurts while I'm typing now.

But yesterday, just playing half court....I try to win every single game....1on1, 3on3....whatever. And I do about 90% of the time. For those gifted athletes out there, they understand. Others will never understand....Thats just life. BTW....I'll be 40 in February and thats why I stick up for those 38-40 yr olds that we have. If I can dominate coming off of 3 surgeries, why can't Kidd contribute? He's healthy and never had any serious injuries....Same with Camby and Kurt.

Young geeks that are just average athletes, reading sports blogs all their life, will never understand.

Allanfan20 wrote:I always said and still say that pro athletes make the worst role models for kids. Michael Jordan is the epitome of that.

I will never say all sports athletes...But yes, most of them do not practice everyday of their life on how to be a role model. They spend every second of their life trying to dominate their craft. You are what you practice. Can't expect a great player in basketball, to also be great at anything else, except basketball. Basketball is their life 24 hrs a day. Until you walk in their shoes, you can't judge them.

Just like some of us spend most of our day trying to be the best worker on our job. Thats why when we play against semi pro guys, or ex college players, they dominate and we don't. Thats not what we do 24 hrs a day.

Pro athletes are great role models for adults that want to be a pro athlete. End of the bench guys that are pros are better role models for kids.

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blkexec wrote:OK...before I watch any further, I'm 6 minutes into the video. And I'm loving it. Sorry to be different, but maybe because I'm the pickup basketball version of MJ....So I understand how it feels to be titled as gifted, but also over confident and excellent trash talker. When you have offensive skills that one person can not stop, and you're a lock down defender, it's hard not to be a (perceived) d!ck.

Keep in mind, I haven't got to the bad part that everybody is talking about. But so far, he gave everybody their props and talked about where his competitive edge came from.

I guess different people take different things from it. When I watched his Hall of Fame speech live earlier in the year, if you had watched the other HOF class that came before him like David Robinson, Jerry Sloan, and C. Vivian Stringer, you would see a total different tone of speech. Of course they saved Jordan for last, but after hearing the others, his tone and manner of speech comes out extremely petty, and naming every perceived slight against him for almost a half an hour just becomes an exercise in tedium. I mean he half jokes about paying a $1000 a seat for letting his kids and family come to the ceremony. This from a multi millionaire corporation. I think you have to watch at least David Robinson's, Sloan's, or Stringers to see the difference in tone. Theirs were of humility and grace. MJ's just seemed like a petty bastard after watching those.

Chuck...I watched some of it live, and I understand completely. But MJ was not just a good player....He was arguably the best basketball player ever. Just think about all the "best ever" people in anything and you will see that they all have issues....Look at Micheal Jackson, just to think off the top of my head. You have to have issues or some screws loose somewhere, to make it up to the top. Whos the best comedian? For me it's Richard Prior....Biggest dope head in history. Thats the price you pay for being great. Lawrence Taylor? The list goes on....So yes, we may not agree with his choice of words, but thats clearly not why he's the greatest player ever.

David Robinson? Naval Officer at the Naval Academy. Sloan, one of the greatest coaches. These guys worked on their craft outside of basketball....They did not eat, sleep and breath it like the greats. Coaches need people skills to succeed, so I would expect nothing less from Sloan.

tkf wrote:I feel bad for mugsy, but jordan was an assasine, if mugsy hits that shot, jordan looks like a fool and mugsy is now probably one of the best spot up shooting mid range PG's in the league... you either make the plays or you don't.. no place for hard feelings..

Jordan was a killer on the court.. Killers aren't nice...

JVG was correct when he said jordan befriends guys and then kills them on the court.. which is why I am not a fan of all of this country club behavior, toasting at weddings and trying to hook up and play BFF, in a grown man's business....

but now all of these guys jordan killed,some of them are Gm's and coach's, they have a chance to get back at him....LOL

I don't feel bad at all. Its called TRASH TALK. Trash talk is SUPPOSED to strike a nerve, otherwise it's just talk.

I remember both Jordan and Barkley (at separate times)confirm the golf story. Serves that fat fuk right.

When Patrick's #33 was being raised to the rafters, I wsa @ the game. During that halftime ceremony, MJ and Zo Mourning (no "you look like his brother!' jokes, please. lol ) were with Pat and both spoke. The crowd cheered MJ, who was the main reason Patrick retired without a ring, and booed Alonzo, whose team only beat the Knicks ONCE out of all those wars we had with Miami. I booed both, yet booed MJ louder.

Never owned Jordan Brand. I'm an Adidas shell-toe man. Closest I've come to owning Jordan Brand is owning NBA 2K12, with Jordan on the cover. I've never played any of the Jordan challenges though, and would cringe my way through the opening menus of MJ worship. So I am definitely a no-game geek like blkexec is talking about who identifies more with the victims of someone like Jordan than I do with Jordan (the victim mentality hard at work, eh jrodmc?)

He was an amazing player though.

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ChuckBuck wrote:Totally unrelated, but related, Curtis Martin's Hall of Fame speech:

You don't have to watch it now, but if you have some time later, that's how you do a Hall of Fame speech with class and dignity.

I don't think that it was unrelated at all... I was just about to post this in response to Allanfan's post. Most pro athletes are only pro athletes... not role models. But some are like Curtis, who use it as a platform for something else

Shannon Sharpe's HOF speech was pretty great too. His quote, "I'm not even the best football player in my own family" and then the camera zooms in on brother Sterling, brought the waterworks for me. I see these wonderful speeches about coming from nothing, overcoming odds, about using means and riches as a vehicle in life....then you see Jordan's speech about countless vendettas...What a phucking a$shole!

GustavBahler wrote:Its that killer instinct Jordan had which helped make him the player he was. Check out the bio of Ty Cobb who took it to another level. Cobb also used friendship to get an edge on opponents and would do anything to win. Not excusing their behavior, just pointing out that they probably wouldn't have been the same players without that nasty attitude.

I feel bad for Bogues but that comment Jordan made shows the difference between the two. If someone had said something that nasty to Jordan he would have flat out destroyed the man. Thats the mindset you have to be in when playing ball.

EXACTLY. Killer instinct was what differentiated Jordan from the Vince Carters of the world. He took EVERYTHING personally and ALWAYS got even. Hell, he'd invent shyt to piss himself off; dude was a sadist who believed in not just stepping on the neck of his foes, he'd sodomize then burn the body and scatter the damn ashes too.