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10/17/2012  3:40 AM
Just to understand just how tough a job it was when Obama took over. In your and my lifetime NO OTHER PRESIDENT had inherited a worse situation. The mess Bush and the Republicans left was HISTORIC in nature and far worse than they realize when they 1st went in to do stimulus. We actually needed even more stimulus than they actually got.

In January 2009, the month Obama took office, America lost 818,000 jobs, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That was the biggest monthly loss in six decades!!! His stimulus may have saved or created more than three million jobs, and the recovery began.

Many feared a complete banking collapse. Obama rescued the banking and auto sectors.

If the Republicans had not be 100% pure obstructionists and actually governed responsibly they would've passed Obama's Jobs Bill and we'd be on our way back to prosperity. There's no question about that. The Republicans met the day of Obama's Inauguration and agreed to fight every single thing he did and not give him any support, regardless of how badly it impacted the country. How any anyone accept this level of partisanship? Even the Dems when Bush was in never took things that far. Anyone supporting Republicans go ahead and explain to us just what economic bills congress passed to improve to help create jobs on a massive scale? This has been the worst congress in my lifetime. They've done next to nothing except pass Abortion rights laws and block anything positive the President tried to do.

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10/17/2012  7:21 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I would say on a personality basis--that President Obama walks away with stylish points. Romney was forced back into what he is--a smug obnoxious disingenuous man and sooner or later--true colors come out. That being said--I do not believe that Obama has done a great job as CEO of our nation---not a bad job--but when he was able to spend more money(borrowed) than any other President to stimulate our economy --he did NOT do enough in these areas.

A. He did not use the money to stimulatejb growth anywhere near enough relative to what he had to spend
B. Regulations on mortgages housing and personal borrowing have thwarted buying--especially from first time buyers, selling of homes for a price consistent with what the national 10 year avg of homes cost(below)the ability for a person to get a personal loan to start or run a small business(entrepreneurship and job creation)or to grow a small business
C. I do not believe as an African American President that he used his position wisely to help African-American/Hispanic neighborhoods in inner cities schools housing and job creation with stimulus money he was afforded
D. Gas prices are way out of whack and not sustainable
E. Condition the release of handouts--way to many people receiving freebies who CAN work who have the ability to work but have found free is better than earned--these benefits need expiration dates for those who are not sickly injured under the age of 45 etc..
F. Has let the deficit gain traction with no definitive plan to stops its massive growth

I could go on here but I am tired:) There are plenty of things he has done right to be fair and balanced and he took one helluva mess. But I think the USA is in need of a turn around expert and that is what Romney did for a living. Im scared that the US is going to be covered in such a debt that it could cause a dozen maybe 15-20 years of stagnation and for me to cast a vote for Obama this time--he'd better explain to mw what his turn around plan is. And to those who vote and are happy with a stylistic victory--please ask yourself those questions.

this is my problem... I think Romney is garbage, but Obama has done a poor job. He's tried, but his decisions have been borderline at best.

At this point it looks like a fail fail.

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10/17/2012  7:57 AM
Say What?

BRIGGS wrote:
But I think the USA is in need of a turn around expert and that is what Romney did for a living.

Romney picked apart companies and bought the remains for a living. Fired employees. Then he sold the remains for profit.

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10/17/2012  8:00 AM
Rejection

fishmike wrote:
A. He did not use the money to stimulatejb growth anywhere near enough relative to what he had to spend
B. Regulations on mortgages housing and personal borrowing have thwarted buying--especially from first time buyers, selling of homes for a price consistent with what the national 10 year avg of homes cost(below)the ability for a person to get a personal loan to start or run a small business(entrepreneurship and job creation)or to grow a small business
C. I do not believe as an African American President that he used his position wisely to help African-American/Hispanic neighborhoods in inner cities schools housing and job creation with stimulus money he was afforded
D. Gas prices are way out of whack and not sustainable
E. Condition the release of handouts--way to many people receiving freebies who CAN work who have the ability to work but have found free is better than earned--these benefits need expiration dates for those who are not sickly injured under the age of 45 etc..
F. Has let the deficit gain traction with no definitive plan to stops its massive growth

At this point it looks like a fail fail.

"Our number ONE priority is to make Obama a one term president" - Mitch McConnell

Did you consider if President Obama did not face Republican obstruction, he might be able to do half the things you suggest?

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10/17/2012  8:29 AM
It was like watching a debate between two republicans. Its mathematically impossible to drill our way out of our energy dependence. The best it can do is shave a few cents off a barrel of oil, not gallons, and it adds to global warming which has yet to be addressed in the debates. Neither will talk about ending the speculation of oil which is a big part of why its so expensive in addition to the increase in demand worldwide. After the largest US oil spill ever Obama allowed corexit, a substance which has been banned practically everywhere else because its so toxic to be used to help BP hide the evidence then turned around and gave them even more oil leases in the gulf and expanded drilling in new places.

Two candidates who still believe we should be the world's policeman. Both want a bloated military that even if it were halved would be enough to destroy the planet many times over and larger than the rest of the world's military combined, many times over. Thats not strength, its greed and cowardice.

Obama talks about Romney investing in a chinese company that spies on its citizens but declines to mention that under his watch the largest spy facility ever created, which will keep track of Americans in ways that would have been a KGB wet dream. He voted for telecom immunity for those companies who illegally spied on Americans during the Bush years. Where does he get off about the chinese spying on its people?

Obama has prosecuted fewer corporate criminals than any president in more than 20 years. George W Bush prosecuted more. Not one major figure in the meltdown has faced charges.

For all the talk about his stimulus, most of it was tax cuts. He extended the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy which meant less money to help the poor and middle class who saw their savings wiped out.

I could focus on Romney but he is pretty tramsparent. Just tired hearing what a commie socialist the president is. This whole left/right thing the media keeps pushing is meant to distract and unfortunately people are buying it. There is no left in this country, just conservatives amd neo liberals.

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10/17/2012  8:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/17/2012  8:42 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I would say on a personality basis--that President Obama walks away with stylish points. Romney was forced back into what he is--a smug obnoxious disingenuous man and sooner or later--true colors come out. That being said--I do not believe that Obama has done a great job as CEO of our nation---not a bad job--but when he was able to spend more money(borrowed) than any other President to stimulate our economy --he did NOT do enough in these areas.

A. He did not use the money to stimulatejb growth anywhere near enough relative to what he had to spend
B. Regulations on mortgages housing and personal borrowing have thwarted buying--especially from first time buyers, selling of homes for a price consistent with what the national 10 year avg of homes cost(below)the ability for a person to get a personal loan to start or run a small business(entrepreneurship and job creation)or to grow a small business
C. I do not believe as an African American President that he used his position wisely to help African-American/Hispanic neighborhoods in inner cities schools housing and job creation with stimulus money he was afforded
D. Gas prices are way out of whack and not sustainable
E. Condition the release of handouts--way to many people receiving freebies who CAN work who have the ability to work but have found free is better than earned--these benefits need expiration dates for those who are not sickly injured under the age of 45 etc..
F. Has let the deficit gain traction with no definitive plan to stops its massive growth

I could go on here but I am tired:) There are plenty of things he has done right to be fair and balanced and he took one helluva mess. But I think the USA is in need of a turn around expert and that is what Romney did for a living. Im scared that the US is going to be covered in such a debt that it could cause a dozen maybe 15-20 years of stagnation and for me to cast a vote for Obama this time--he'd better explain to mw what his turn around plan is. And to those who vote and are happy with a stylistic victory--please ask yourself those questions.

I think last night reflected a bit more than stylistic points..I think he won the substantive debate as well...When you want specifics on debt from Obama, has Romney fully explain how he will pay for the 8 trillion in spending he has proposed much less tackle our currently massive deficit that was brought on by the previous administration that has has not spoken about yet??..No is the answer to that..Let's see...Two wars unpaid for, tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans unpaid for, a prescription drug plan for the elderly one full year before the 2004 election that went unpaid for...Much of the debt that occurred under Obama came as a result of the recession...He spend close top one trillion dollars to stop a recession of which 350 million was a republican proposed tax cut..

As far as growth from stimulation, the country was losing 750,000 jobs per month when he took office, the stock market was trading on the 7,000 handle...Here we are with 30 plus months of positive job growth, a stock market that has doubled from it lows, a banking sector saved and brought back from the brink of collapse, an American auto industry that still exist which Romney's plan would have put in jeopardy because no one at that time was taking on risky financing..That market dried up period...NO one, I repeat, no wants to live off 200 dollar per month handout from the government when they could work and get thousands per month, republicans like to say it but it's a myth...I like more money than less money...

The President has nothing to do with gas prices...Under Bush, Oil went from less than 20 dollar a barrel to 149 dollars per barrel and back down, it was not his fault...Not the President's job, it's speculation and OPEC..Climate of the middle east..Come on, I know u know this, stop the propaganda....

Republicans resisted his plan to cut the deficit by 4 trillion dollars over 10 years in Congress because of the pledge they signed with Grover Norquist, that they will never under any circumstances raise taxes...He has successfully campaigned against any republican who has not signed his pledge or who went against it...Obama's proposal was for 2.5 in cuts to 1.5 trillion in revenues to with Boehner(Boner)who could not get republicans to go along with..It take two....

My biggest problem with Romney is that I think he looks at the job as the final piece to his resume...He left his job as Governor after one term, to get it on his resume...He currently does not stand for anything..He has change his mind and his stance on everything that he has stood up for, and I do mean EVERYTHING...I could not tell u definitively one thing Romney wants right now except lower taxes to 20% for all which is mathematically impossible...My assumptions are he stands with the republicans on everything..An Assumption..

He has made major gaffes on foreign policy where he thought Russia was still our main adversary..So 30 years ago...And has spoke about it while overseas...Amateur hour...Couldn't wait to capitalize on the Libyan fiasco...Tried to prop up the fact that he knew one of the people that died in Libya on the campaign stump until the guy's family asked him to stop using their son as campaign tool...Do I need to mention he tied his dog to the roof of his car for a trip to Canada...I mean really, who does that???...

Romney suggestion to college students who want to pay for school or start their own business??..Hey, you should borrow the money from your parents...Can any individual be so out of touch??..I guess when u have close to half a billion in the Switzerland and the Cayman's, it's possible...

Lastly on the economy, we have sustained 30 plus consecutive months of job growth, there is no reason to turn back now...I fear and this is real, that the Republicans will do more harm to the deficit than they have already done..It is a fact...They have blown up the deficit since Reagan has been in office..FACT...They will downplay the importance of deficit reduction once in office...FACT...See Cheney under Bush who said deficits are not important and blew out a new one...FACT...Republicans are lying when they say they are deficit hawks...They have not tackled the deficit once in the last 30 years..FACT...

More realism, the economy will not get back to strong job growth until Europe solves it's problem...We are a global economy and the politicians are afraid to tell you that but it's true..We cannot and will not grow until Europe gets back on it's feet..There is nothing Romney or Obama can do about it...FACT...NOTHING...So pull up a chair...Sort through the lies and cast your vote...

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10/17/2012  8:48 AM
Positively Brilliant

holfresh wrote:
I think last night reflected a bit more than stylistic points..I think he won the substantive debate as well...When you want specifics on debt from Obama, has Romney fully explain how he will pay for the 8 trillion in spending he has proposed much less tackle our currently massive deficit that was brought on by the previous administration that has has not spoken about yet??..No is the answer to that..Let's see...Two wars unpaid for, tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans unpaid for, a prescription drug plan for the elderly one full year before the 2004 election that went unpaid for...Much of the debt that occurred under Obama came as a result of the recession...He spend close top one trillion dollars to stop a recession of which 350 million was a republican proposed tax cut..

As far as growth from stimulation, the country was losing 750,000 jobs per month when he took office, the stock market was trading on the 7,000 handle...Here we are with 30 plus months of positive job growth, a stock market that has doubled from it lows, a banking sector saved and brought back from the brink of collapse, an American auto industry that still exist which Romney's plan would have put in jeopardy because no one at that time was taking on risky financing..That market dried up period...NO one, I repeat, no wants to live off 200 dollar per month handout from the government when they could work and get thousands per month, republicans like to say it but it's a myth...I like more money than less money...

The President has nothing to do with gas prices...Under Bush, Oil went from less than 20 dollar a barrel to 149 dollars per barrel and back down, it was not his fault...Not the President's job, it's speculation and OPEC..Climate of the middle east..Come on, I know u know this, stop the propaganda....

Republicans resisted his plan to cut the deficit by 4 trillion dollars over 10 years in Congress because of the pledge they signed with Grover Norquist, that they will never under any circumstances raise taxes...He has successfully campaigned against any republican who has not signed his pledge or who went against it...Obama's proposal was for 2.5 in cuts to 1.5 trillion in revenues to with Boehner(Boner)who could not get republicans to go along with..It take two....

My biggest problem with Romney is that I think he looks at the job as the final piece to his resume...He left his job as Governor after one term, to get it on his resume...He currently does not stand for anything..He has change his mind and his stance on everything that he has stood up for, and I do mean EVERYTHING...I could not tell u definitively one thing Romney wants right now except lower taxes to 20% for all which is mathematically impossible...My assumptions are he stands with the republicans on everything..An Assumption..

He has made major gaffes on foreign policy where he thought Russia was still our main adversary..So 30 years ago...And has spoke about it while overseas...Amateur hour...Couldn't wait to capitalize on the Libyan fiasco...Tried to prop up the fact that he knew one of the people that died in Libya on the campaign stump until the guy's family asked him to stop using their son as campaign tool...Do I need to mention he tied his dog to the roof of his car for a trip to Canada...I mean really, who does that???...

Romney suggestion to college students who want to pay for school or start their own business??..Hey, you should borrow the money from your parents...Can any individual be so out of touch??..I guess when u have close to half a billion in the Switzerland and the Cayman's, it's possible...

Lastly on the economy, we have sustained 30 plus consecutive months of job growth, there is no reason to turn back now...I fear and this is real, that the Republicans will do more harm to the deficit than they have already done..It is a fact...They have blown up the deficit since Reagan has been in office..FACT...They will downplay the importance of deficit reduction once in office...FACT...See Cheney under Bush who said deficits are not important and blew out a new one...FACT...Republicans are lying when they say they are deficit hawks...They have not tackled the deficit once in the last 30 years..FACT...

More realism, the economy will not get back to strong job growth until Europe solves it's problem...We are a global economy and the politicians are afraid to tell you that but it's true..We cannot and will not grow until Europe gets back on it's feet..There is nothing Romney or Obama can do about it...FACT...NOTHING...So pull up a chair...Sort through the lies and cast your vote...

Mitt Romney is a speculator. He is speculating on a job that only a few brave men have experienced. The details are missing. His generalities are many.

Does America really trust Mitt to restore Republican power to full blast?

Do women?

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10/17/2012  9:05 AM
Didn't O have two years of a D-controlled House and a filibuster-proof Senate majority? That should have been Christmas!

And as someone who finds Romney no great shakes by a large margin, but has been fairly disgusted by Obama's handling of many issues, someone please tell me what his specific economic plan is for a second term.

And if it doesn't include entitlement reform, we are boned.

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10/17/2012  9:11 AM
This is intersting cause I made a comment in another forum that the president needs to come out doing a Muhammad Ali, "The champ is here."

misterearl wrote:Exactly

JesseDark wrote:What is amazing is that Romney set it up for the president by talking about the 100% in his final statement.

Romney stuck out his chin and The President threw the straight right hand he was saving for the perfect moment. Harold Lederman had it 8-1 Obama.

Bundini Brown was up on the ropes, crying tears of joy in the President's corner.

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10/17/2012  9:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/17/2012  9:18 AM
Just Checking

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10/17/2012  9:24 AM
Four more years of Obama...Mr Clinton was also a great speaker, but his presidency actually had substance to it. With the country going the direction its in currently, what does it matter if the same man who has continued mauling our economy gets another four years to do so.
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10/17/2012  9:33 AM
Say What?

izybx wrote:Four more years of Obama...Mr Clinton was also a great speaker, but his presidency actually had substance to it. With the country going the direction its in currently, what does it matter if the same man who has continued mauling our economy gets another four years to do so.

Mauling the economy? Care to back that statement with a fact or two?

Let's go to the Dow Jones....

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10/17/2012  9:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/17/2012  9:35 AM
I think Obama has been an OK president but he's done an awful job of describing his record. Bin Laden dead and GM alive? Going from a loss of 800,000 jobs a month to creating 100,000 to 200,000? Dow Jones more than doubling? It really shouldn't be too hard to sell this record but Obama rarely tries to.
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10/17/2012  9:35 AM
Gymkata wrote:Didn't O have two years of a D-controlled House and a filibuster-proof Senate majority? That should have been Christmas!

And as someone who finds Romney no great shakes by a large margin, but has been fairly disgusted by Obama's handling of many issues, someone please tell me what his specific economic plan is for a second term.

And if it doesn't include entitlement reform, we are boned.

Entitlement reform has to take both parties..It is such a political hotbed that who ever enacts anything to change the trajectory of the deficit will be sure to lose their jobs..They are all afraid to do it, both parties...The economy is run by Wall Street not Washingtonians as they will lead you to believe...So unless an American president can come up with a remedy to fix Europe, then embrace slow growth...

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10/17/2012  9:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/17/2012  9:50 AM
What's so unfortunate about this whole process is that we as citizens just sit in our corners, vote for our parties no matter what, without ever examining the facts...FACT are not important, people always believe their politician is the good guy and all the others are lairs...Please some one from the other side, tell me how Romney will pay for 8 trilion dollars in additional spending and put America on the road to a balanced budget...How???...U can gut every social program after that and still not be half way there....Romney wants to fight every war out there..We should have been in Lybia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, don't leave Afgan, harsh words for the Russians, did I miss anyone??...Am I crazy, I am an adult, it all scares me...The only conclusion is that he is either lying or he is insane...Either way, how can I vote for him..But please, if anyone here can enlighten me as to what the actual plan is or what I'm missing, I'm all ears or eyes in this case...
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10/17/2012  10:09 AM
Another one for ya...Romney is killing the President about the Keystone pipeline that the President rejected or now delayed...Saying it is causing higher gas prices...Fact is Canada wants to build a pipeline across America to Louisiana to be refine then have the oil shipped to Asia and Europe...The oil is not even intended for American consumption...So we should take the environmental risk for what??..Hey bub, can I run a pipeline thru you backyard, it might leak but u get nothing for it..Deal???
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10/17/2012  10:22 AM
holfresh wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I would say on a personality basis--that President Obama walks away with stylish points. Romney was forced back into what he is--a smug obnoxious disingenuous man and sooner or later--true colors come out. That being said--I do not believe that Obama has done a great job as CEO of our nation---not a bad job--but when he was able to spend more money(borrowed) than any other President to stimulate our economy --he did NOT do enough in these areas.

A. He did not use the money to stimulatejb growth anywhere near enough relative to what he had to spend
B. Regulations on mortgages housing and personal borrowing have thwarted buying--especially from first time buyers, selling of homes for a price consistent with what the national 10 year avg of homes cost(below)the ability for a person to get a personal loan to start or run a small business(entrepreneurship and job creation)or to grow a small business
C. I do not believe as an African American President that he used his position wisely to help African-American/Hispanic neighborhoods in inner cities schools housing and job creation with stimulus money he was afforded
D. Gas prices are way out of whack and not sustainable
E. Condition the release of handouts--way to many people receiving freebies who CAN work who have the ability to work but have found free is better than earned--these benefits need expiration dates for those who are not sickly injured under the age of 45 etc..
F. Has let the deficit gain traction with no definitive plan to stops its massive growth

I could go on here but I am tired:) There are plenty of things he has done right to be fair and balanced and he took one helluva mess. But I think the USA is in need of a turn around expert and that is what Romney did for a living. Im scared that the US is going to be covered in such a debt that it could cause a dozen maybe 15-20 years of stagnation and for me to cast a vote for Obama this time--he'd better explain to mw what his turn around plan is. And to those who vote and are happy with a stylistic victory--please ask yourself those questions.

I think last night reflected a bit more than stylistic points..I think he won the substantive debate as well...When you want specifics on debt from Obama, has Romney fully explain how he will pay for the 8 trillion in spending he has proposed much less tackle our currently massive deficit that was brought on by the previous administration that has has not spoken about yet??..No is the answer to that..Let's see...Two wars unpaid for, tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans unpaid for, a prescription drug plan for the elderly one full year before the 2004 election that went unpaid for...Much of the debt that occurred under Obama came as a result of the recession...He spend close top one trillion dollars to stop a recession of which 350 million was a republican proposed tax cut..

As far as growth from stimulation, the country was losing 750,000 jobs per month when he took office, the stock market was trading on the 7,000 handle...Here we are with 30 plus months of positive job growth, a stock market that has doubled from it lows, a banking sector saved and brought back from the brink of collapse, an American auto industry that still exist which Romney's plan would have put in jeopardy because no one at that time was taking on risky financing..That market dried up period...NO one, I repeat, no wants to live off 200 dollar per month handout from the government when they could work and get thousands per month, republicans like to say it but it's a myth...I like more money than less money...

The President has nothing to do with gas prices...Under Bush, Oil went from less than 20 dollar a barrel to 149 dollars per barrel and back down, it was not his fault...Not the President's job, it's speculation and OPEC..Climate of the middle east..Come on, I know u know this, stop the propaganda....

Republicans resisted his plan to cut the deficit by 4 trillion dollars over 10 years in Congress because of the pledge they signed with Grover Norquist, that they will never under any circumstances raise taxes...He has successfully campaigned against any republican who has not signed his pledge or who went against it...Obama's proposal was for 2.5 in cuts to 1.5 trillion in revenues to with Boehner(Boner)who could not get republicans to go along with..It take two....

My biggest problem with Romney is that I think he looks at the job as the final piece to his resume...He left his job as Governor after one term, to get it on his resume...He currently does not stand for anything..He has change his mind and his stance on everything that he has stood up for, and I do mean EVERYTHING...I could not tell u definitively one thing Romney wants right now except lower taxes to 20% for all which is mathematically impossible...My assumptions are he stands with the republicans on everything..An Assumption..

He has made major gaffes on foreign policy where he thought Russia was still our main adversary..So 30 years ago...And has spoke about it while overseas...Amateur hour...Couldn't wait to capitalize on the Libyan fiasco...Tried to prop up the fact that he knew one of the people that died in Libya on the campaign stump until the guy's family asked him to stop using their son as campaign tool...Do I need to mention he tied his dog to the roof of his car for a trip to Canada...I mean really, who does that???...

Romney suggestion to college students who want to pay for school or start their own business??..Hey, you should borrow the money from your parents...Can any individual be so out of touch??..I guess when u have close to half a billion in the Switzerland and the Cayman's, it's possible...

Lastly on the economy, we have sustained 30 plus consecutive months of job growth, there is no reason to turn back now...I fear and this is real, that the Republicans will do more harm to the deficit than they have already done..It is a fact...They have blown up the deficit since Reagan has been in office..FACT...They will downplay the importance of deficit reduction once in office...FACT...See Cheney under Bush who said deficits are not important and blew out a new one...FACT...Republicans are lying when they say they are deficit hawks...They have not tackled the deficit once in the last 30 years..FACT...

More realism, the economy will not get back to strong job growth until Europe solves it's problem...We are a global economy and the politicians are afraid to tell you that but it's true..We cannot and will not grow until Europe gets back on it's feet..There is nothing Romney or Obama can do about it...FACT...NOTHING...So pull up a chair...Sort through the lies and cast your vote...

** Standing ovation **

Way to keep it real, Holfresh.

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10/17/2012  10:24 AM
izybx wrote:Four more years of Obama...Mr Clinton was also a great speaker, but his presidency actually had substance to it. With the country going the direction its in currently, what does it matter if the same man who has continued mauling our economy gets another four years to do so.

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

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10/17/2012  10:25 AM
holfresh wrote:
Gymkata wrote:Didn't O have two years of a D-controlled House and a filibuster-proof Senate majority? That should have been Christmas!

And as someone who finds Romney no great shakes by a large margin, but has been fairly disgusted by Obama's handling of many issues, someone please tell me what his specific economic plan is for a second term.

And if it doesn't include entitlement reform, we are boned.

Entitlement reform has to take both parties..It is such a political hotbed that who ever enacts anything to change the trajectory of the deficit will be sure to lose their jobs..They are all afraid to do it, both parties...The economy is run by Wall Street not Washingtonians as they will lead you to believe...So unless an American president can come up with a remedy to fix Europe, then embrace slow growth...

I agree it takes both parties, but my counter is that you have one party that has refused to seriously engage about entitlement reform. "We have a plan. It's called Medicare." Nancy Pelosi said that in 2011. Maybe you hate Ryan's plan, but at least he has something concrete out there. The ideal would be for the other party to also trot out something concrete and horse-trading to commence.

Entitlements are the number one driver of our debt and we only have to look across the pond to see where that can lead. Plus we also just added a massive new entitlement program. What's O's tactic to address these looming fiscal crises? And that's not a smarmy rhetorical. I genuinely want someone to educate me.

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10/17/2012  10:52 AM
Gymkata wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Gymkata wrote:Didn't O have two years of a D-controlled House and a filibuster-proof Senate majority? That should have been Christmas!

And as someone who finds Romney no great shakes by a large margin, but has been fairly disgusted by Obama's handling of many issues, someone please tell me what his specific economic plan is for a second term.

And if it doesn't include entitlement reform, we are boned.

Entitlement reform has to take both parties..It is such a political hotbed that who ever enacts anything to change the trajectory of the deficit will be sure to lose their jobs..They are all afraid to do it, both parties...The economy is run by Wall Street not Washingtonians as they will lead you to believe...So unless an American president can come up with a remedy to fix Europe, then embrace slow growth...

I agree it takes both parties, but my counter is that you have one party that has refused to seriously engage about entitlement reform. "We have a plan. It's called Medicare." Nancy Pelosi said that in 2011. Maybe you hate Ryan's plan, but at least he has something concrete out there. The ideal would be for the other party to also trot out something concrete and horse-trading to commence.

Entitlements are the number one driver of our debt
and we only have to look across the pond to see where that can lead. Plus we also just added a massive new entitlement program. What's O's tactic to address these looming fiscal crises? And that's not a smarmy rhetorical. I genuinely want someone to educate me.


More so than tax cuts for the rich and all these wars? I doubt it.
OT: Obama just kicked Romney's arse in round two....

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