Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:If we win, he'll get credit.

Why does he need a break?

+1

I really doubt that he'll get praised--especially by you--if the Knicks win. It will probably be more like the Knicks won in spite of Melo

ActionJackson wrote:

knickscity wrote:If we win, he'll get credit.

Why does he need a break?

He will NEVER ever get the credit from some on this board. If they go deep in the playoffs it will be "yeah he got out of the first round but he couldnt carry us all the way" & if they get to the Finals it will be "But he didnt win...he's not Kobe or LeBron" and even if he manages to defeat all odds and bring a "Chip" to NYC some (who shall remain nameless) will be screaming "Well...he cant deliver two like Clyde & Pearl did".
I wish this was a tweet so I could hashtag it as #hatersgonnahate

+1

ActionJackson wrote:8 out of the 10 people who claim that "Ewing was a warrior" on this site, were the same people in the 90s who were shouting "Ewing SUCKS" every time he didnt score 30 & grab 15rbs and still refer to him as "ringless".
Face it, New Yorkers are by & large basically frustrated a-holes who never appreciate what they have until it's gone & no amount of circle jerking about the supposed good ole days where we just barely lost to the bulls because C Smith didnt dunk the ball or Starks' 2-18 is going to change our citywide hater attitude.

+1...NY fans aren't as smart as we make ourselves out to be. We do tend to undervalue our own and salivate for somebody else's.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:8 out of the 10 people who claim that "Ewing was a warrior" on this site, were the same people in the 90s who were shouting "Ewing SUCKS" every time he didnt score 30 & grab 15rbs and still refer to him as "ringless".
Face it, New Yorkers are by & large basically frustrated a-holes who never appreciate what they have until it's gone & no amount of circle jerking about the supposed good ole days where we just barely lost to the bulls because C Smith didnt dunk the ball or Starks' 2-18 is going to change our citywide hater attitude.

You can't possibly have any evidence or logic to support that claim.

+1

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The giants won 2 superbowls very close to each other and people still say they such and were just lucky.....

Melo could win 10 rings and people will find something....not just thus board

totally disagree mate. If you read the major media outlets Eli is regarded as the most clutch QB in the NFL right now. Dude went to GB and outplayed Farve and Rogers. He outplayed Brady in two superbowls. He outplayed Romo, Matt Ryan, Brady, Rogers, etc en route to winning two cups.

When Melo gets his clutch baskets in deep playoff runs he will get his due. His best game as a Knick he got outplayed by Paul Pierce in crunchtime. He quit on the team last year and killed Linsanity. He made sure he got payed first and foremost in his route here (while the best player in the NBA took less money to build a winning team). He talks constantly about how great he his and the sacrifices he makes. Its old. Melo is ARod, but without the MVPs and that one great playoff run.

@Actionjackson

Its not the haters vs. Melo. Its people like me who are simply waiting for this guys greatness to show in the win/loss column. There are like 2 or 3 people on this board who cant stand the guy. The rest are simply nauseated by the Melo fans ramming his greatness (or trying to) down our throats until we realize he's as good as Kobe and just hasnt had the same supporting cast.

Melo will get his due when he produces like a franchise player in the playoffs. Its that simple.

When a star is phuched upon us as a franchise savior the mainstream expectations are high. Media hype machine builds it up. There is a grace period. But after time there is no "Moment" to reference. Eli has a few moments now. JOrdan has his moments, Reggie Millier had his moment, etc.

Ewings had a few but the finger roll was perhaps the worst and it stuck. Ewing made some heavy guarantees which did not come to fruition. Statements unfulfilled don't help. Ewing wanted the ball and there were a few seasons he went into the playoffs hurt and did not tell anyone. The finger roll I believe I read happened because his shoulder hurt and he did not dunk. We had a "warrior" but also a dude that would not throw outlet passes because it reduced his touch's which would have bought his stats down and reduced his negotiation leverage come contract time. He'd hold the ball until charlie would come around and get it. The Don Nelson Mutiny was about Ewing not wanting to play uptempo.

Lets just say Ewing bought on some of the media and subsequent backlash on himself with some of his actions and personality perhaps not best for a massive media outlet like NYC. Im not saying it was all "his fault" but it was a part of it.

Melo to me is very easy going and seems comfortable with the media. I'll nit pick here for a second but in the last week he claims he'll sacrifice his game, but he wants less minutes and not play the 4. That don't bother me but it gives ammo to some. The smiling on the court after a bad play or missed shot is missunderstood by many as sort of not caring. Not my thing, but it does not help. End of a good game, he takes the last shot, misses, and he is smiling. Lots of players do that but he smiles a lot. Fans are in pain and he is smiling. My take is it rubs people the wrong way. They want to see a player disappointed and upset WITH THEM. Personally I don't have a problem with it and Im sure the "lovers" don't either. But the UK is not where typical fans hang out.

fishmike wrote:Nalod... I agree that Ewing always fell short and it certainly hurt his legacy, but his body of work is incredible. He has the all NBA awards, he was all NBA defense at least 3 times. He took various teams usually with pretty average backcourts and advanced out of round 1 for 10 straight years. Nuff said!

You need not defend his career as it speaks for itself. I was a big fan of Patrick and still am. The subject of why he was not universally loved was bought up and Patrick had some unique aspects to his career and entrance to NY.

1. In high school he was highly recruited but went to georgetown where john thompson really did not allow him to speak to the media. That was a good thing because He was a shy kid who really could not handle it. Thompson did it to protect him.

2. Media did not like this. White America did not love Thompson and his black players at the mostly white Georgetown and it was perceived as arrogance.

3 Ewing was subjected to a lot racial slurs and crap thrown at him in college. This is the 1980's! It was ugly. Even is Madison Square Garden, the "Mecca" it was pretty heavy. I remember the signs students used to display. One was "Ewing can'd reab this"! That was cold!

Ewing then is the no. 1 pick but think he can forget everything? I doubt it. Knick fans loved him and accepted him as the savior but I think he was (rightfully) guarded about himself and suspect of the genuine nature of such fan love. When I say he is part at fault for his media and fan backlash its not to lay blame that he was wrong. He did the best he could in a situation that was in part impossible. His game and "warrior" work ethic speaks for itself. He carried a flawed roster year after year and his impatient demands for support lead to impatient roster changes that fell short. Hindsight tells us we should have let him walk or trade him earlier. MSG loved his gate appeal ($) and he loved being a max player and really wanted to win here.

It was complicated.

VCoug wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:8 out of the 10 people who claim that "Ewing was a warrior" on this site, were the same people in the 90s who were shouting "Ewing SUCKS" every time he didnt score 30 & grab 15rbs and still refer to him as "ringless".
Face it, New Yorkers are by & large basically frustrated a-holes who never appreciate what they have until it's gone & no amount of circle jerking about the supposed good ole days where we just barely lost to the bulls because C Smith didnt dunk the ball or Starks' 2-18 is going to change our citywide hater attitude.

It's the same thing with Giants fans. Nowadays, after two Superbowl wins, you can't find anyone who'll admit that they were calling for him to be benched even as early as his second year. Also, you won't find any Mets fans who booed Piazza his last few years in NY. I don't know what it is about New Yorkers that make so many hate the best player on the team but there it is. For the record, I never hated Ewing or Piazza and the only time I really turned on Eli is after the loss to the Vikings the year he won his first Superbowl but I got over it and went back to defending him a week later.

+1
Haterade + What have you done for me in the last 15 seconds + overlove of those not here/playing anymore = NYC fanbase

arkrud wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:Like Ewing, he will never catch a break here in NY. People in other cities appreciate Melo, tho. I remember back in the Ewing era I would see more Starks, Oak and Mase jerseys around the NY area than Ewing. Asked who is their favorite Knick, people rarely said Ewing. Same goes for today. You'd think Carmelo Anthony was a scrub let some people tell it. A friend of mine from Jersey asked me recently "Why do Knick fans always treat their stars and best players like ****?". That about sums it up.

Ewing was one of the greats of all time. Melo is not in his group and will never be... unless of some miraculos transformation.
Pat was a Warrior, Melo is a cool talented celeb. There was and are a sh..t load of Melo-type guys in NBA. Ewing defined an era in NY bbal.

good point, plus melo comes off as a douchebag..... not a good guy... I think back at the cheap shot on mardy collins, I think about the "ridiculous" comment during lins contract negotiations and the host of other dumb comments he made...

the problem I have with melo are the knicks trying to build around him.. building around low character guys is never a good idea, building around one dimensional scoring SF's is also not a good idea..

I know this may come across as hate to some of you, but this is how I see it.. The knicks have no business trying to build a team around this guy, but this is a problem in the NBA and just not NY, you have a host of max paid guys who probably shouldn't be, and that just straps a team financially.. the knicks have two max players who really are not "max" guys... therefore we just can't add the talent to this team we need.. so yea, when one guy goes down, it is a big thing.. we don't have the depth and can't acquire the proper talent because we are capped out...

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The giants won 2 superbowls very close to each other and people still say they such and were just lucky.....

Melo could win 10 rings and people will find something....not just thus board

totally disagree mate. If you read the major media outlets Eli is regarded as the most clutch QB in the NFL right now. Dude went to GB and outplayed Farve and Rogers. He outplayed Brady in two superbowls. He outplayed Romo, Matt Ryan, Brady, Rogers, etc en route to winning two cups.

When Melo gets his clutch baskets in deep playoff runs he will get his due. His best game as a Knick he got outplayed by Paul Pierce in crunchtime. He quit on the team last year and killed Linsanity. He made sure he got payed first and foremost in his route here (while the best player in the NBA took less money to build a winning team). He talks constantly about how great he his and the sacrifices he makes. Its old. Melo is ARod, but without the MVPs and that one great playoff run.

@Actionjackson

Its not the haters vs. Melo. Its people like me who are simply waiting for this guys greatness to show in the win/loss column. There are like 2 or 3 people on this board who cant stand the guy. The rest are simply nauseated by the Melo fans ramming his greatness (or trying to) down our throats until we realize he's as good as Kobe and just hasnt had the same supporting cast.

Melo will get his due when he produces like a franchise player in the playoffs. Its that simple.

very well put..... I keep hearing all of this, he is the best player we had since ewing... heck I do remember we had a guy named sprewell and Houston, who as Knicks have been better than carmelo.. in the end it is about results.. carmelo brings no results, it has been that way his whole career... yet it is always someone else's fault... just tired of hearing that.. plus the guy is a douchebag.. I just can't root for a guy like that bro... just can't..

tkf wrote:

arkrud wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:Like Ewing, he will never catch a break here in NY. People in other cities appreciate Melo, tho. I remember back in the Ewing era I would see more Starks, Oak and Mase jerseys around the NY area than Ewing. Asked who is their favorite Knick, people rarely said Ewing. Same goes for today. You'd think Carmelo Anthony was a scrub let some people tell it. A friend of mine from Jersey asked me recently "Why do Knick fans always treat their stars and best players like ****?". That about sums it up.

Ewing was one of the greats of all time. Melo is not in his group and will never be... unless of some miraculos transformation.
Pat was a Warrior, Melo is a cool talented celeb. There was and are a sh..t load of Melo-type guys in NBA. Ewing defined an era in NY bbal.

good point, plus melo comes off as a douchebag..... not a good guy... I think back at the cheap shot on mardy collins, I think about the "ridiculous" comment during lins contract negotiations and the host of other dumb comments he made...

the problem I have with melo are the knicks trying to build around him.. building around low character guys is never a good idea, building around one dimensional scoring SF's is also not a good idea..

I know this may come across as hate to some of you, but this is how I see it.. The knicks have no business trying to build a team around this guy, but this is a problem in the NBA and just not NY, you have a host of max paid guys who probably shouldn't be, and that just straps a team financially.. the knicks have two max players who really are not "max" guys... therefore we just can't add the talent to this team we need.. so yea, when one guy goes down, it is a big thing.. we don't have the depth and can't acquire the proper talent because we are capped out...

Lol what has Melo ever done to you to deserve all this vitriol? Did he spit on your dog or something?