holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:If Melo plays extended mins at the 4, we have a clear disadvantage on the defensive end. I can still see David West abusing him in the paint. Not only that, but we would have to worry abot foul trouble and Melo wearing down if he gest extended mins at the 4. Wouldn't mind seeing him steal a few mins at the 4 when Stat goes the bench but not much. Also, we have Sheed, Kurt and Camby who will need mins at the 4-5 aswell.

And yes, we should have clear advantages in most games with him at the 3 being that he's one of the elite 3's in the game....

I remember that vividly..he is a defensive liability at the position...Many here forget that or just isn't paying attention..He was also being physically abused at one point...It takes too much out of his game...I think what people do is look at the box score and say he had a great game not factoring in that he is shooting more because Amare isn't there...

He was such a liability that our team had its best run in a decade.

Then maybe we should run the same lineup out there and make our Championship run...Why try to improve on perfection...Funny thing tho, if we listened to u and the other haters, that run neither validated the trade nor came close to what Linsanity offered...So which is it???

Melo ball for 82 games...Dandy, never thought u would come around....

Spend too much time worrying what some feel about Melo. I mean we have a good team and we should focus on that. Let's go Knicks!!!!

And you spend too much time analyzing what I'm thinking, which by the way you are often wrong...

Holfresh i was actually agreeing with you I think you make excellent points. I was talking to the other poster Bonn Lets Go knicks!!

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:If Melo plays extended mins at the 4, we have a clear disadvantage on the defensive end. I can still see David West abusing him in the paint. Not only that, but we would have to worry abot foul trouble and Melo wearing down if he gest extended mins at the 4. Wouldn't mind seeing him steal a few mins at the 4 when Stat goes the bench but not much. Also, we have Sheed, Kurt and Camby who will need mins at the 4-5 aswell.

And yes, we should have clear advantages in most games with him at the 3 being that he's one of the elite 3's in the game....

I remember that vividly..he is a defensive liability at the position...Many here forget that or just isn't paying attention..He was also being physically abused at one point...It takes too much out of his game...I think what people do is look at the box score and say he had a great game not factoring in that he is shooting more because Amare isn't there...

He was such a liability that our team had its best run in a decade.

Then maybe we should run the same lineup out there and make our Championship run...Why try to improve on perfection...Funny thing tho, if we listened to u and the other haters, that run neither validated the trade nor came close to what Linsanity offered...So which is it???

Melo ball for 82 games...Dandy, never thought u would come around....

Of course one third of one regular season doesn't validate a trade.

Nor does it validate whether a young player is destined to be a future all star

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:If Melo plays extended mins at the 4, we have a clear disadvantage on the defensive end. I can still see David West abusing him in the paint. Not only that, but we would have to worry abot foul trouble and Melo wearing down if he gest extended mins at the 4. Wouldn't mind seeing him steal a few mins at the 4 when Stat goes the bench but not much. Also, we have Sheed, Kurt and Camby who will need mins at the 4-5 aswell.

And yes, we should have clear advantages in most games with him at the 3 being that he's one of the elite 3's in the game....

I remember that vividly..he is a defensive liability at the position...Many here forget that or just isn't paying attention..He was also being physically abused at one point...It takes too much out of his game...I think what people do is look at the box score and say he had a great game not factoring in that he is shooting more because Amare isn't there...

He was such a liability that our team had its best run in a decade.

Then maybe we should run the same lineup out there and make our Championship run...Why try to improve on perfection...Funny thing tho, if we listened to u and the other haters, that run neither validated the trade nor came close to what Linsanity offered...So which is it???

Melo ball for 82 games...Dandy, never thought u would come around....

Spend too much time worrying what some feel about Melo. I mean we have a good team and we should focus on that. Let's go Knicks!!!!

And you spend too much time analyzing what I'm thinking, which by the way you are often wrong...

Holfresh i was actually agreeing with you I think you make excellent points. I was talking to the other poster Bonn Lets Go knicks!!

Your time is better spent finding evidence for the statements you make on this board...You spend too much time telling people on this board to calm down...Handle your own comments...

i think you misunderstood me. My point was that there are too many Melo haters. I respect you because you keep it real and are a true fan. I cant wait for the season to get going. Please dont judge me or jump to conclusions its not right man

VDesai wrote:Most observers look at him as a natural 4 at this point not a 3. As it is he has to play 3 with Amare and Chandler on the roster.

But it's based on a ten game span when he was on fire and was the only real offensive threat.

smackeddog wrote:

VDesai wrote:Most observers look at him as a natural 4 at this point not a 3. As it is he has to play 3 with Amare and Chandler on the roster.

But it's based on a ten game span when he was on fire and was the only real offensive threat.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn on Melo and the Knicks 18-6 season ending run: 'Our team had its best run in a decade.'

What do you like about my statement so much, Holfresh?

As one of the fledgling members who has come to be known as the haters..This may have been the first positive commentary of Melo or the state of the Knicks since "the trade", from one of it's founding members...An acknowledgement if you will that yes, Melo did something positive in NY...He led the team to victory, then the playoffs, "THE RUN" it's now known as!!!...It might have been something we have not seen in a decade of Knicks basketball which led to the quote " Our team had it's best run in a decade"...Now, I'm not getting too excited about this, I do recognize this complete flip only came about to bolster your winning argument(Romney-esk), but it came out....Progress, Recognition...Who knows, Lover??

I don't think any Lin supporter or Gallo lover ever said anything close to the fact that "THE RUN" actually took place....

Bonn1997 wrote:I want to believe but...Melo seems clueless.

This may be true but I know he's confused the heck out of me this off-season. To expound on this further here's the ESPN article with some data analysis

"Right now, we have guys in that position. We want to keep it like that," Anthony said Monday when asked about playing more power forward this year. "I'd rather play my natural position then go down there and play the 4, the 5 and things that I don't really want to do. So with the guys that we have now, I find that we're definitely that much more effective."

When asked if he meant that, as long as his teammates remain healthy, his preference is to play the wing, Anthony said, "Absolutely."

Last year, Anthony thrived while playing extended minutes at power forward during Amar'e Stoudemire's absence due to a back injury.

During that time, Anthony carried the scoring load for the Knicks, earning the NBA's player of the month award in April. He averaged 29.8 points per game on 49.4 percent shooting for the month.

Comparing his numbers as a power forward to those he put up at small forward last season, it seems Anthony played with a greater efficiency at power forward. Of course, there were other factors at play, but the numbers are intriguing.

In 13 games starting at power forward last season (during Stoudemire's absence), Anthony averaged 30 points per 36 minutes on 50.5 percent shooting, according to ESPN Stats & Information. The Knicks' offensive rating with Anthony at power forward was 108.9.

In 42 games at small forward, Anthony averaged 21.8 points per 36 minutes on 40.1 percent shooting and the Knicks' offensive rating (a measure of points scored per 100 possessions) was 100.4.

Although the end of the article qualified his comments barring no injuries..... let me get this straight

9-4 in April playing his best ball

10-4 without Broke Back Stat

But just 2 weeks ago he told us....

Anthony is widely recognized as one of the top offensive talents in the game. But critics often bemoan Anthony's tendency to operate in isolation.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, 34.3 percent of Anthony’s plays last year were in isolation, the highest rate of any player in the NBA. Second behind Anthony was teammate J.R. Smith (33.4 percent).

Anthony said Monday that he's willing to make adjustments if it helps the Knicks' win total. "[size=2]If I have to sacrifice on the offensive end, I’m willing to do it," Anthony said. "It’s easy for me to sit here to say it. But this year for me it’s going to be doing what I need to do to help this team win."

So, what prompted the new perspective? Anthony said it was his experience with the U.S. Olympic team in London. He teamed with Tyson Chandler, Kevin Durant, LeBron James and others to bring home the gold -- the second of Anthony's international career

So if even we remain healthy as a unit but we have clear advantages with him playing power forward and/or the team functions better with him playing a 4/5 position going small or whatever set we try and run, he doesn't see this as a sacrifice but more so putting him out?

Can a Melo lobbyist clear this misunderstanding up just so we don't heap too much more on him?

Bonn1997 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I want to believe but...Melo seems clueless.

This may be true but I know he's confused the heck out of me this off-season. To expound on this further here's the ESPN with some data analysis

"Right now, we have guys in that position. We want to keep it like that," Anthony said Monday when asked about playing more power forward this year. "I'd rather play my natural position then go down there and play the 4, the 5 and things that I don't really want to do. So with the guys that we have now, I find that we're definitely that much more effective."

When asked if he meant that, as long as his teammates remain healthy, his preference is to play the wing, Anthony said, "Absolutely."

Last year, Anthony thrived while playing extended minutes at power forward during Amar'e Stoudemire's absence due to a back injury.

During that time, Anthony carried the scoring load for the Knicks, earning the NBA's player of the month award in April. He averaged 29.8 points per game on 49.4 percent shooting for the month.

Comparing his numbers as a power forward to those he put up at small forward last season, it seems Anthony played with a greater efficiency at power forward. Of course, there were other factors at play, but the numbers are intriguing.

In 13 games starting at power forward last season (during Stoudemire's absence), Anthony averaged 30 points per 36 minutes on 50.5 percent shooting, according to ESPN Stats & Information. The Knicks' offensive rating with Anthony at power forward was 108.9.

In 42 games at small forward, Anthony averaged 21.8 points per 36 minutes on 40.1 percent shooting and the Knicks' offensive rating (a measure of points scored per 100 possessions) was 100.4.

Although the end of the article qualified his comments barring no injuries..... let me get this straight

9-4 in April playing his best ball

10-4 without Broke Back Stat

But just 2 weeks ago he told us....

Anthony is widely recognized as one of the top offensive talents in the game. But critics often bemoan Anthony's tendency to operate in isolation.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, 34.3 percent of Anthony’s plays last year were in isolation, the highest rate of any player in the NBA. Second behind Anthony was teammate J.R. Smith (33.4 percent).

Anthony said Monday that he's willing to make adjustments if it helps the Knicks' win total. "[size=2]If I have to sacrifice on the offensive end, I’m willing to do it," Anthony said. "It’s easy for me to sit here to say it. But this year for me it’s going to be doing what I need to do to help this team win."

So, what prompted the new perspective? Anthony said it was his experience with the U.S. Olympic team in London. He teamed with Tyson Chandler, Kevin Durant, LeBron James and others to bring home the gold -- the second of Anthony's international career

So if even we remain healthy as a unit but we have clear advantages with him playing power forward and/or the team functions better with him playing a 4/5 position going small or whatever set we try and run, he doesn't see this as a sacrifice but more so putting him out?

Can a Melo lobbyist clear this misunderstanding up just so we don't heap too much more on him?

A "Melo lobbyist" LOL!

I might be considered a Melo lobbyist...It's pointless...3G entire posts have now become one post that can all be merged into the same idea and same thought...Nothing new here..I don't have to read it and I didn't....It's pointless trying to reason with those whose point is to be unreasonable....

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I want to believe but...Melo seems clueless.

This may be true but I know he's confused the heck out of me this off-season. To expound on this further here's the ESPN with some data analysis

"Right now, we have guys in that position. We want to keep it like that," Anthony said Monday when asked about playing more power forward this year. "I'd rather play my natural position then go down there and play the 4, the 5 and things that I don't really want to do. So with the guys that we have now, I find that we're definitely that much more effective."

When asked if he meant that, as long as his teammates remain healthy, his preference is to play the wing, Anthony said, "Absolutely."

Last year, Anthony thrived while playing extended minutes at power forward during Amar'e Stoudemire's absence due to a back injury.

During that time, Anthony carried the scoring load for the Knicks, earning the NBA's player of the month award in April. He averaged 29.8 points per game on 49.4 percent shooting for the month.

Comparing his numbers as a power forward to those he put up at small forward last season, it seems Anthony played with a greater efficiency at power forward. Of course, there were other factors at play, but the numbers are intriguing.

In 13 games starting at power forward last season (during Stoudemire's absence), Anthony averaged 30 points per 36 minutes on 50.5 percent shooting, according to ESPN Stats & Information. The Knicks' offensive rating with Anthony at power forward was 108.9.

In 42 games at small forward, Anthony averaged 21.8 points per 36 minutes on 40.1 percent shooting and the Knicks' offensive rating (a measure of points scored per 100 possessions) was 100.4.

Although the end of the article qualified his comments barring no injuries..... let me get this straight

9-4 in April playing his best ball

10-4 without Broke Back Stat

But just 2 weeks ago he told us....

Anthony is widely recognized as one of the top offensive talents in the game. But critics often bemoan Anthony's tendency to operate in isolation.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, 34.3 percent of Anthony’s plays last year were in isolation, the highest rate of any player in the NBA. Second behind Anthony was teammate J.R. Smith (33.4 percent).

Anthony said Monday that he's willing to make adjustments if it helps the Knicks' win total. "[size=2]If I have to sacrifice on the offensive end, I’m willing to do it," Anthony said. "It’s easy for me to sit here to say it. But this year for me it’s going to be doing what I need to do to help this team win."

So, what prompted the new perspective? Anthony said it was his experience with the U.S. Olympic team in London. He teamed with Tyson Chandler, Kevin Durant, LeBron James and others to bring home the gold -- the second of Anthony's international career

So if even we remain healthy as a unit but we have clear advantages with him playing power forward and/or the team functions better with him playing a 4/5 position going small or whatever set we try and run, he doesn't see this as a sacrifice but more so putting him out?

Can a Melo lobbyist clear this misunderstanding up just so we don't heap too much more on him?

A "Melo lobbyist" LOL!

I might be considered a Melo lobbyist...It's pointless...3G entire posts have now become one post that can all be merged into the same idea and same thought...Nothing new here..I don't have to read it and I didn't....It's pointless trying to reason with those whose point is to be unreasonable....

I hear you. Lots of "rinse/repeat" posts from the Mad Hatters...

Pretty obvious he's not here as a fan of the team but is here as a baiter so that he can OWNZ people in arguments.....

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I want to believe but...Melo seems clueless.

This may be true but I know he's confused the heck out of me this off-season. To expound on this further here's the ESPN with some data analysis

"Right now, we have guys in that position. We want to keep it like that," Anthony said Monday when asked about playing more power forward this year. "I'd rather play my natural position then go down there and play the 4, the 5 and things that I don't really want to do. So with the guys that we have now, I find that we're definitely that much more effective."

When asked if he meant that, as long as his teammates remain healthy, his preference is to play the wing, Anthony said, "Absolutely."

Last year, Anthony thrived while playing extended minutes at power forward during Amar'e Stoudemire's absence due to a back injury.

During that time, Anthony carried the scoring load for the Knicks, earning the NBA's player of the month award in April. He averaged 29.8 points per game on 49.4 percent shooting for the month.

Comparing his numbers as a power forward to those he put up at small forward last season, it seems Anthony played with a greater efficiency at power forward. Of course, there were other factors at play, but the numbers are intriguing.

In 13 games starting at power forward last season (during Stoudemire's absence), Anthony averaged 30 points per 36 minutes on 50.5 percent shooting, according to ESPN Stats & Information. The Knicks' offensive rating with Anthony at power forward was 108.9.

In 42 games at small forward, Anthony averaged 21.8 points per 36 minutes on 40.1 percent shooting and the Knicks' offensive rating (a measure of points scored per 100 possessions) was 100.4.

Although the end of the article qualified his comments barring no injuries..... let me get this straight

9-4 in April playing his best ball

10-4 without Broke Back Stat

But just 2 weeks ago he told us....

Anthony is widely recognized as one of the top offensive talents in the game. But critics often bemoan Anthony's tendency to operate in isolation.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, 34.3 percent of Anthony’s plays last year were in isolation, the highest rate of any player in the NBA. Second behind Anthony was teammate J.R. Smith (33.4 percent).

Anthony said Monday that he's willing to make adjustments if it helps the Knicks' win total. "[size=2]If I have to sacrifice on the offensive end, I’m willing to do it," Anthony said. "It’s easy for me to sit here to say it. But this year for me it’s going to be doing what I need to do to help this team win."

So, what prompted the new perspective? Anthony said it was his experience with the U.S. Olympic team in London. He teamed with Tyson Chandler, Kevin Durant, LeBron James and others to bring home the gold -- the second of Anthony's international career

So if even we remain healthy as a unit but we have clear advantages with him playing power forward and/or the team functions better with him playing a 4/5 position going small or whatever set we try and run, he doesn't see this as a sacrifice but more so putting him out?

Can a Melo lobbyist clear this misunderstanding up just so we don't heap too much more on him?

A "Melo lobbyist" LOL!

I might be considered a Melo lobbyist...It's pointless...3G entire posts have now become one post that can all be merged into the same idea and same thought...Nothing new here..I don't have to read it and I didn't....It's pointless trying to reason with those whose point is to be unreasonable....

There is nothing wrong with being a melo lobbyist. I also support melo and am very impressed with the way he has come back in shape and mentally ready to lead