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IrishKnickFan
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10/2/2012  1:09 PM
This year we are gonna learn a lot of things. After 12 years of misery i really want a very good season and at least to get to the ECF. This is a big year for Melo because he has had a great career but a very bad playoff record so this could be the year where he finally breas through. felton also looks to silence the critics. The same goes for Amare
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10/2/2012  1:12 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Wait until Melo and Amare are old in a few years and we have no up and coming young players and lottery picks. It will be another 12yrs of futility. I guess if we win a title in the next 3yrs it will be worth it. Problem is they are not getting past Lakers, Miami and OKC

If we win it will be worth it for me because i'm a jets and mets and rangers fan so im prayign for a title from one of my teams

I know but they are not beating Lakers, Miami and OKC. Not in the next 3yrs

gunsnewing, UK's neverending ray of optimistic sunshine...

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10/2/2012  1:12 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Wait until Melo and Amare are old in a few years and we have no up and coming young players and lottery picks. It will be another 12yrs of futility. I guess if we win a title in the next 3yrs it will be worth it. Problem is they are not getting past Lakers, Miami and OKC

If we win it will be worth it for me because i'm a jets and mets and rangers fan so im prayign for a title from one of my teams

I know but they are not beating Lakers, Miami and OKC. Not in the next 3yrs

To ba fair, how is this year any different than the last 40 years? We weren't beating the Celts/Lakers/Sixers in the 80's; we weren't beating the Bulls in the 90's nor were we winning in the 2000's with GM version of the smothers brothers in Layden and Isiah.....So nothing has changed.

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10/2/2012  1:14 PM
WE ARE WHAT OUR TEAM AGE SAYS WE ARE......OLD
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10/2/2012  1:17 PM
3G4G wrote:WE ARE WHAT OUR TEAM AGE SAYS WE ARE......OLD

Even though no one in our starting lineup is over 30?

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10/2/2012  1:20 PM
i think a lot of nba analysts will be eating a ****load of crow. I still think we have two of teh best defensive centers despite their age. We also have two great young perimeter defenders in shump/brewer. Kurt Thomas can still shoot as far as i know
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10/2/2012  1:27 PM
Exactly

ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:WE ARE WHAT OUR TEAM AGE SAYS WE ARE......OLD

Even though no one in our starting lineup is over 30?

Give me Jason Kidd over Toney Douglass, Rasheed Wallace over Josh Harrellson, Ronnie Brewer way over Bill Walker, Pablo Prigioni over Mike Bibby and Marcus Camby over Jerome Jordan any day of the week.

Age ain't nothin' but a number.

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10/2/2012  1:31 PM
misterearl wrote:Exactly

ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:WE ARE WHAT OUR TEAM AGE SAYS WE ARE......OLD

Even though no one in our starting lineup is over 30?

Give me Jason Kidd over Toney Douglass, Rasheed Wallace over Josh Harrellson, Ronnie Brewer way over Bill Walker, Pablo Prigioni over Mike Bibby and Marcus Camby over Jerome Jordan any day of the week.

Age ain't nothin' but a number.

Agreed.....

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10/2/2012  1:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/2/2012  1:48 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:WE ARE WHAT OUR TEAM AGE SAYS WE ARE......OLD

Even though no one in our starting lineup is over 30?

There are guys in our rotation that are old and for the record... A starting lineup average age of 28.5yrs old is well still relatively old. Especially when you consider the MILEAGE on our players.

When the season starts after the first 2 weeks here are their ages


Felton 28yrs
Smith 27yrs
Melo 28yrs
Amare 30yrs
Tyson 30yrs


Sorry that's not a young starting lineup.


Don't big up the signings of the other players then if they aren't going to factor into getting impactful/meaningful minutes on the floor


And if you want to point to the Celtics and Spurs and say what about their starters and rotation of aged players....Well they've been called old for quite some time now by us, have they not? Here's the difference....their cores have been together longer and they actually have to credentials of results to back up the too old talk.


I also get a kick out our fan projections. When Amar'e came here his first year and fans projected out our seed and win total....we were around 4-6th seed 43-47gms

Fast forward 2yrs after adding Melo/Chandler, a butt load of salary, bottoming out our future for the next 3-4yrs and all the other veteran help we're projected around 3-6th seed 43-50gms.....


You can't make this stuff up if you tried


Trolol!

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10/2/2012  1:34 PM
misterearl wrote:Exactly

ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:WE ARE WHAT OUR TEAM AGE SAYS WE ARE......OLD

Even though no one in our starting lineup is over 30?

Give me Jason Kidd over Toney Douglass, Rasheed Wallace over Josh Harrellson, Ronnie Brewer way over Bill Walker, Pablo Prigioni over Mike Bibby and Marcus Camby over Jerome Jordan any day of the week.

Age ain't nothin' but a number.

Let's see Sheed hit the threes first. The rest is a given, and nicely stated.

Answerman on target, once again.

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10/2/2012  1:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/2/2012  2:19 PM
misterearl wrote:Exactly

ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:WE ARE WHAT OUR TEAM AGE SAYS WE ARE......OLD

Even though no one in our starting lineup is over 30?

Give me Jason Kidd over Toney Douglass, Rasheed Wallace over Josh Harrellson, Ronnie Brewer way over Bill Walker, Pablo Prigioni over Mike Bibby and Marcus Camby over Jerome Jordan any day of the week.

Age ain't nothin' but a number.

dude this is not a fairy tale, or some aaliyah song.... cute but no cigar... this is not a relationship.. this is pro sports where bodies have to perform... As barkely said, this is a young mans game..... I mean why isn't Hakeem still playing instead of teaching amare how to untangle his feet in the post?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/2/2012  2:03 PM
We are actually older. When you talk about Chandler and Amare, you're talking about two guys that have had multiple injuries and have been at it since highschool which ages them 3 years more than normal.

We are counting on two guys with injuries Brewer and Shumpert to man the defense in the backcourt and are hoping that our front line of Camby, Thomas, Wallace stays healthy. Through inKidd and Pablo and we have serious concerns.

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10/2/2012  2:14 PM
MS wrote:We are actually older. When you talk about Chandler and Amare, you're talking about two guys that have had multiple injuries and have been at it since highschool which ages them 3 years more than normal.

We are counting on two guys with injuries Brewer and Shumpert to man the defense in the backcourt and are hoping that our front line of Camby, Thomas, Wallace stays healthy. Through inKidd and Pablo and we have serious concerns.

Just because they have more mileage in the NBA doesn't mean they are older. It's not like players who weren't in the NBA at 19 and 20 years old weren't playing basketball. These players are in their primes just like any other 29 year old NBA player. I think as far as past championship teams, our rotation is on the young end. No one in our starting lineup will be over 30. The players who are over 30 will be playing 20 mins or less per game. Each time Amare Stoudemire has lost a lot of a year due to injury, he has come back just as strong. Why can't he do it again? He's still only 29. Many great players came back perfectly fine from injuries at age 29.

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10/2/2012  2:18 PM
MS wrote:We are actually older. When you talk about Chandler and Amare, you're talking about two guys that have had multiple injuries and have been at it since highschool which ages them 3 years more than normal.

We are counting on two guys with injuries Brewer and Shumpert to man the defense in the backcourt and are hoping that our front line of Camby, Thomas, Wallace stays healthy. Through inKidd and Pablo and we have serious concerns.

Brewer will be fine by the first game, shump should be back in december. As for the veterans they will be playing limited minutes which will let them be more effective and fresh
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10/2/2012  2:20 PM
Knixkik wrote:
MS wrote:We are actually older. When you talk about Chandler and Amare, you're talking about two guys that have had multiple injuries and have been at it since highschool which ages them 3 years more than normal.

We are counting on two guys with injuries Brewer and Shumpert to man the defense in the backcourt and are hoping that our front line of Camby, Thomas, Wallace stays healthy. Through inKidd and Pablo and we have serious concerns.

Just because they have more mileage in the NBA doesn't mean they are older. It's not like players who weren't in the NBA at 19 and 20 years old weren't playing basketball. These players are in their primes just like any other 29 year old NBA player. I think as far as past championship teams, our rotation is on the young end. No one in our starting lineup will be over 30. The players who are over 30 will be playing 20 mins or less per game. Each time Amare Stoudemire has lost a lot of a year due to injury, he has come back just as strong. Why can't he do it again? He's still only 29. Many great players came back perfectly fine from injuries at age 29.

that is not accurate, the NBA is a real grind... playing ball in college is not as taxing on the body playing a full NBA schedule...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/2/2012  2:37 PM
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:WE ARE WHAT OUR TEAM AGE SAYS WE ARE......OLD

Even though no one in our starting lineup is over 30?

There are guys in our rotation that are old and for the record... A starting lineup average age of 28.5yrs old is well still relatively old. Especially when you consider the MILEAGE on our players.

When the season starts after the first 2 weeks here are their ages


Felton 28yrs
Smith 27yrs
Melo 28yrs
Amare 30yrs
Tyson 30yrs


Sorry that's not a young starting lineup.


Don't big up the signings of the other players then if they aren't going to factor into getting impactful/meaningful minutes on the floor


And if you want to point to the Celtics and Spurs and say what about their starters and rotation of aged players....Well they've been called old for quite some time now by us, have they not? Here's the difference....their cores have been together longer and they actually have to credentials of results to back up the too old talk.


I also get a kick out our fan projections. When Amar'e came here his first year and fans projected out our seed and win total....we were around 4-6th seed 43-47gms

Fast forward 2yrs after adding Melo/Chandler, a butt load of salary, bottoming out our future for the next 3-4yrs and all the other veteran help we're projected around 3-6th seed 43-50gms.....


You can't make this stuff up if you tried


Trolol!

What is this Trolol? You sound like a 13 year old girl posting when you do that.

I'm sorry, but how come no one ever mentions the Boston Celtics(29.8) or San Antonio's starting lineup(30.5) or the Lakers average ages(32.4)? Last I heard Howard and Nash are new to "that core" so there goes your continuity argument.

I guess you never got the memo that veteran teams are always the ones that compete or win the crown. Here's a site you can study up on:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/

By the way, the average age of the Championship Miami Heat starting lineup is 29.


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10/2/2012  4:38 PM
tkf wrote:
misterearl wrote:Exactly

ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:WE ARE WHAT OUR TEAM AGE SAYS WE ARE......OLD

Even though no one in our starting lineup is over 30?

Give me Jason Kidd over Toney Douglass, Rasheed Wallace over Josh Harrellson, Ronnie Brewer way over Bill Walker, Pablo Prigioni over Mike Bibby and Marcus Camby over Jerome Jordan any day of the week.

Age ain't nothin' but a number.

dude this is not a fairy tale, or some aaliyah song.... cute but no cigar... this is not a relationship.. this is pro sports where bodies have to perform... As barkely said, this is a young mans game..... I mean why isn't Hakeem still playing instead of teaching amare how to untangle his feet in the post?

"Ooooohhhh It's The L. I. Y. A. H".... Kickin Up The MSG Stage

This Starting Lineup Is Going To....."Rock The Boat"

The Best Pure Scorer Is...."One In A Million"....He Scores On and On and On

This Team Is Going To be...."Hot Like Fiyah"

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10/2/2012  4:53 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:WE ARE WHAT OUR TEAM AGE SAYS WE ARE......OLD

Even though no one in our starting lineup is over 30?

There are guys in our rotation that are old and for the record... A starting lineup average age of 28.5yrs old is well still relatively old. Especially when you consider the MILEAGE on our players.

When the season starts after the first 2 weeks here are their ages


Felton 28yrs
Smith 27yrs
Melo 28yrs
Amare 30yrs
Tyson 30yrs


Sorry that's not a young starting lineup.


Don't big up the signings of the other players then if they aren't going to factor into getting impactful/meaningful minutes on the floor


And if you want to point to the Celtics and Spurs and say what about their starters and rotation of aged players....Well they've been called old for quite some time now by us, have they not? Here's the difference....their cores have been together longer and they actually have to credentials of results to back up the too old talk.


I also get a kick out our fan projections. When Amar'e came here his first year and fans projected out our seed and win total....we were around 4-6th seed 43-47gms

Fast forward 2yrs after adding Melo/Chandler, a butt load of salary, bottoming out our future for the next 3-4yrs and all the other veteran help we're projected around 3-6th seed 43-50gms.....


You can't make this stuff up if you tried


Trolol!

What is this Trolol? You sound like a 13 year old girl posting when you do that.

I'm sorry, but how come no one ever mentions the Boston Celtics(29.8) or San Antonio's starting lineup(30.5) or the Lakers average ages(32.4)? Last I heard Howard and Nash are new to "that core" so there goes your continuity argument.

I guess you never got the memo that veteran teams are always the ones that compete or win the crown. Here's a site you can study up on:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/

By the way, the average age of the Championship Miami Heat starting lineup is 29.



Age and hall of fame talent are two different things.

Age is just a number in some cases.
Hall of Fame talent that the Lakers and Heat have compared to what the Knicks have is another story

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10/2/2012  5:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/2/2012  5:03 PM
Who's to say Dwight Howard is the same after his back surgery?

Who's to say Steve Nash finally plays his age?

Who's to say Dwayne Wade loses a step?

Who's to say this is finally Boston's swan song and Garnet and Pierce retire after this season?

All these questions can be applied to any of the competing teams with questions of age or health, it's why the games are played, and Champions aren't crowned before the season(see Miami Heat 2011).

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10/2/2012  5:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/2/2012  5:16 PM
other than Dallas and Detroit have there been any finals upsets in the past 30+years?

Dallas had Dirk. Where is the Knicks Dirk? Detroit was truly the only team to win without hall of fame talent.

lakers
heat
celtics
spurs
bulls
rockets
pistons
sixers
knicks(1970 & 1973)

that pretty much covers 30yrs. Who knows how far that list can keep going if you wanted to extended for 40-50yrs?

Not as old as people say

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