sidsanders wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I have seen horrendous calls by the regulars all too often. These refs would get better over time and of course will make some bad mistakes along the way.

What if the refs wanted 100,000 a week? Where is the cutoff?

I hate the real refs. They are old and bad.

+1
And they want pensions when no part timer in this country get pensions. Now one can say the players dont deserve all the money they get but they are irreplaceable. Like u said these refs would get better overtime. They have appreciation for their jobs. With experience and repetit anyone can ref a game. If some refs want back in the league then cut ties with the union. I guarantee you the younger refs want back in. Its the older ones who want pensions. And its probably the older ones who are responsible for all the missed calls

they have had a pension plan in place for a while (1974). i think the replacements are showing why you cant just plug guys in and get equivalent results. the scab players in 87 showed the same.

Yea but give these replacement officials time and they will get better. Players are irreplaceable. I want to see the regular officials on the field like everyone else but I can't really fault the league if they play this out for the rest of the year

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I have seen horrendous calls by the regulars all too often. These refs would get better over time and of course will make some bad mistakes along the way.

What if the refs wanted 100,000 a week? Where is the cutoff?

I hate the real refs. They are old and bad.

+1
And they want pensions when no part timer in this country get pensions. Now one can say the players dont deserve all the money they get but they are irreplaceable. Like u said these refs would get better overtime. They have appreciation for their jobs. With experience and repetit anyone can ref a game. If some refs want back in the league then cut ties with the union. I guarantee you the younger refs want back in. Its the older ones who want pensions. And its probably the older ones who are responsible for all the missed calls

they have had a pension plan in place for a while (1974). i think the replacements are showing why you cant just plug guys in and get equivalent results. the scab players in 87 showed the same.

Yea but give these replacement officials time and they will get better. Players are irreplaceable. I want to see the regular officials on the field like everyone else but I can't really fault the league if they play this out for the rest of the year

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No there not going to get better, we have refs that have been fired from division 3 (the same idiot who made the call last night..we have refs that were officiating pee wee league, refs that wouldn't even be called in for an interview..These aren't 20yr old refs that are learning on the fly..

nykshaknbake wrote:+1. It has to be remembered that these refs didn't earn their role. They were drafted in as a stopgap.

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I have seen horrendous calls by the regulars all too often. These refs would get better over time and of course will make some bad mistakes along the way.

What if the refs wanted 100,000 a week? Where is the cutoff?

I hate the real refs. They are old and bad.

+1
And they want pensions when no part timer in this country get pensions. Now one can say the players dont deserve all the money they get but they are irreplaceable. Like u said these refs would get better overtime. They have appreciation for their jobs. With experience and repetit anyone can ref a game. If some refs want back in the league then cut ties with the union. I guarantee you the younger refs want back in. Its the older ones who want pensions. And its probably the older ones who are responsible for all the missed calls

they have had a pension plan in place for a while (1974). i think the replacements are showing why you cant just plug guys in and get equivalent results. the scab players in 87 showed the same.

Yea but give these replacement officials time and they will get better. Players are irreplaceable. I want to see the regular officials on the field like everyone else but I can't really fault the league if they play this out for the rest of the year

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No there not going to get better, we have refs that have been fired from division 3 (the same idiot who made the call last night..we have refs that were officiating pee wee league, refs that wouldn't even be called in for an interview..These aren't 20yr old refs that are learning on the fly..

ya, note what the requirements are to get your foot in the door
10+ years as a college ref, 5+ in a major conf.

i do not think any of the replacements have this and it shows. i can fault the league... they cant make claims about punishment for making the league look bad and target only players/coaches if they continue down this path. they are willfully taking on a risk that has backfired badly already over a power play (dont even think this is about the $). i find it a joke to be told "nothing to see here, move along" by the nfl in relation to the refs (and with the reg crews too). nfl will not continue to make gains forever if it pisses on things (and people) simply cuz it thinks it can.

those retired player lawsuits are looming... if the (retired or not) players start making a case that the poor job the replacements are doing puts them at injury risk, perhaps the nfl will see fit to help resolve this.

Vmart wrote:These refs are getting a bad rap. They are good officials that need time to adjust to the game. The replacement refs are ideal if they were tagged along with a veteran crew and brought along slowly. unfortunately they are in the mix with other replacement and that is a disaster waiting to happen.

Vmart wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Vmart wrote:These refs are getting a bad rap. They are good officials that need time to adjust to the game. The replacement refs are ideal if they were tagged along with a veteran crew and brought along slowly. unfortunately they are in the mix with other replacement and that is a disaster waiting to happen.

I'm not sure how you can say they are good officials. It certainly hasn't looked good on the field. They don't have impressive credentials or experience that would back that up. Alot of them are just high school officials. I suppose it's not impossible that some of them might develop into good refs but there's no indication of that now.

They aren't bad. They just need to be with a veteran crew and brought along slowly. The problem stems from having an all replacement crew. But yes the speed of the game is vastly different from what they were use to and the spit light was a lot greater than some High School game.