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GustavBahler
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9/21/2012  2:30 PM
I'm hoping a team stocked with veterans and Woodson's willingness not to give JR a pass on poor play will help. Not expecting miracles however.
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9/21/2012  2:34 PM
3G4G wrote:You gotta love how things are perceived when changes are made. Woody "father figure"?


Well let's see what the temperament was when "father Woody figure" was replaced by Larry Drew

"Woody has been here six years and had basically been the only voice that many of these players had heard," the GM said at the time. "The shelf life for coaches and management in the NBA is short, particularly for coaches, maybe two or three years. In Woody's case, he has gone six. The compelling thought for me was maybe it's right for a change."

Sund believes a new coach might be able to take the Hawks to even higher levels, though he acknowledged it was a risk to dump someone coming off a playoff appearance.

"Sometimes in professional sports, change is good -- not only for the individual, but for the organization," he said. "Hey, it was a tough decision any way you go. If it doesn't turn out, it's the wrong decision. If it turns out, maybe it was the right decision, I don't know."

The hiring of Drew will surely be popular with the players, and the Hawks may be hoping that keeping a familiar face on the sideline will help them re-sign Johnson and smooth the transition for the rest of the roster.


and


The Hawks have decided to hire Larry Drew as their next head coach, people with knowledge of the decision said today.

Drew was Atlanta’s lead assistant for six years under Mike Woodson, who was let go last month. Drew and the team are working out the details of a contract this evening and the official announcement of his hiring is expected on Saturday.

Drew, 52, emerged from a group of finalists that also included Avery Johnson, Dwane Casey and Mark Jackson. Once Johnson agreed to coach the Nets early in the week, that left Atlanta’s ownership group and GM Rick Sund to choose from among the other three candidates.

This will be Drew’s first head-coaching job after he’s been an NBA assistant for the the last 14 seasons. He worked for the Lakers, Wizards, Pistons and Nets before joining Woodson’s staff for the 2004-05 season. Drew played 714 games over 10 NBA seasons from 1980-91.

“He’s very experienced, just being around the game,” Hawks guard Jamal Crawford said. “He’s very knowledgeable. I think he is prepared for a lot of different situations.”

When Sund decided not to retain Woodson, he said the team needed “another voice” after the team lost in the second round of the playoffs the last two years. The Hawks apparently decided Drew will have a leadership style distinct from Woodson while also having the advantage of established relationships with players and familiarity with the team’s issues.

“He knows the faults of our teams,” Crawford said. “It’s not like we are a bad team. Now we can continue to build; we don’t have to start over.”

Drew inherits a team that won 53 games next season and, among its core players, has all but Joe Johnson under contract for next season. But he will face some challenges as the Hawks look to break through after getting swept in the second round of the playoffs in consecutive years.

Drew is popular among players but now his role changes from sometimes-confidant to the person in charge of their playing time and involvement in the offense. He also will have to reprimand players for their mistakes while trying to maintain relationships and team chemistry.

“Everything is going to be a first for him,” Crawford said. “But I think it will be a little bit easier transition because he knows our team. He doesn’t have to come in and learn the different personalities, what makes people tick and how to motivate them.”

When the Hawks let Woodson go, among the concerns expressed by players and management was what they considered Woodson’s differing levels of accountability. They said Woodson didn’t rebuke certain players as often as he did others, leading to some resentment in the locker room.

The Hawks also want to move away from an isolation-heavy offensive approach that was influenced by guard Joe Johnson’s playing style. Johnson is eligible to become a free agent next month, and the Hawks still want to re-sign him.

A person with knowledge of Johnson’s plans said he’s still open to returning. But the person said the new coach would have to sell Johnson on relying more on his teammates in the offense and ensure him that locker-room chemistry would improve.


Doesn't this mimic what has taken place here?

sure does , woodson really gave fields little rope as JR was able to play dancing with the stars with the ball on the court and carmelo played, squeeze the charmin..... I already knew this as I followed the hawks somewhat here in Atlanta, Woodson did a good job helping to develop the team, but had his issues as the team needed to take that next step..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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9/21/2012  2:37 PM
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now we're resorting to tabloid headlines and conspiracy theories instead of known truths?

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Woodson win more games each year in Atlanta and Larry Drew did the reverse?

Mike Woodson:

2005 - 13
2006 - 26
2007 - 30
2008 - 37
2009 - 47
2010 - 53

Larry Drew:

2011 - 44
2012 - 40
2013 - Lottery??

Woodson simply didn't get along with ATL management, which happens, and Larry Drew took advantage of his buddy. Woody, so far, seems to have a great relationship with Knicks management. Until Zeke is officially on the payroll or on the Knicks staff homepage, then any mention of his involvement is just pure bullshyt.


Sure I'll correct you


As if you have any evidence of Drew actually backstabbing Woody, but instead going off conspiracy theories and tabloid fodder. Were you employed by the Atlanta Hawks and did you work with their coaching staff? I'd wager any amount evidence of Isiah's backstabbing in this organization to the very minute second of this post drawfs anything you can bring to the table in regards to Drew backstabbing in ATL.


First of all in 2012 the Hawks won 40gms in a shortened season without Al Horford or did you black out or faint from this?


That's a pace of 50gms on a regular 82gm season. So that's 44gms to 50gms(no Horford) improvement for Drewy this with a team that peaked right as he took over.


And lol at bringing up what Woody did in the regular season. We didn't put this team together for regular season honors per say. We have much bigger fish to fry correct?

Here's a daily standard reminder for you.....

Much like the Celtics motto..."WE DON'T HANG DIVISIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS WE HANG WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS ONLY"

But back to you chronicling Woody's regular season success. I'll 1 up you and provide more evidence as to why he's no longer there....


Shall we look at Post-Season success come on let's dance


2007-2008 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Celtics(Celtics win 4-3)

Game 1 score 81 to 104 Hawks lose by a 23pt margin

Game 2 score 77 to 96 Hawks lose by a 19pt margin

Game 5 score 85 to 110 Hawks lose by a 25pts margin

Game 7 score 65 to 99 Hawks lose by a 34pts margin


2008-2009 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Heat(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 78 to 107 Hawks lose by a 29pts margin

Game 6 score 72 to 98 Hawks lose by a 26pts margin


Hawks vs Cavs(Cavs win 4-0)

Game 1 score 72 to 99 Hawks lose by a 27pt margin

Game 2 score 85 to 105 Hawks lose by a 20pts margin


2009-2010 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Bucks(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 89 to 107 Hawks lose by a 18pt margin


Hawks vs Magic(Magic win 4-0)

Game 1 score 71 to 114 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

Game 3 score 75 to 105 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

So in pretty much 50% of the games they played in the playoffs the Woody led Hawks were getting obliterated. Ironically under Drew they were much more competitive in Post-Season registering a couple blowout losses across 3 series.

Wow you really got a boner for Larry Drew. You cleaning his pipes too? All I'm saying is Woodson never got a fair shake in ATL, and the backstabbing did in fact occur, unlike your Isaiah Thomas fan fiction:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/03/30/atlanta-hawks-mike-woodson-larry-drew-not-on-speaking-terms/

Woodson led ATL teams made it to the 2nd round twice, increased his regular season win total every year he coached there, even gave the eventual 2008 Champion Boston Celtics a run for their money in 7 games. The best thing we can say for Drew is that he'll probably make it to the end of this season, before ATL does a full rebuild.
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9/21/2012  3:15 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now we're resorting to tabloid headlines and conspiracy theories instead of known truths?

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Woodson win more games each year in Atlanta and Larry Drew did the reverse?

Mike Woodson:

2005 - 13
2006 - 26
2007 - 30
2008 - 37
2009 - 47
2010 - 53

Larry Drew:

2011 - 44
2012 - 40
2013 - Lottery??

Woodson simply didn't get along with ATL management, which happens, and Larry Drew took advantage of his buddy. Woody, so far, seems to have a great relationship with Knicks management. Until Zeke is officially on the payroll or on the Knicks staff homepage, then any mention of his involvement is just pure bullshyt.


Sure I'll correct you


As if you have any evidence of Drew actually backstabbing Woody, but instead going off conspiracy theories and tabloid fodder. Were you employed by the Atlanta Hawks and did you work with their coaching staff? I'd wager any amount evidence of Isiah's backstabbing in this organization to the very minute second of this post drawfs anything you can bring to the table in regards to Drew backstabbing in ATL.


First of all in 2012 the Hawks won 40gms in a shortened season without Al Horford or did you black out or faint from this?


That's a pace of 50gms on a regular 82gm season. So that's 44gms to 50gms(no Horford) improvement for Drewy this with a team that peaked right as he took over.


And lol at bringing up what Woody did in the regular season. We didn't put this team together for regular season honors per say. We have much bigger fish to fry correct?

Here's a daily standard reminder for you.....

Much like the Celtics motto..."WE DON'T HANG DIVISIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS WE HANG WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS ONLY"

But back to you chronicling Woody's regular season success. I'll 1 up you and provide more evidence as to why he's no longer there....


Shall we look at Post-Season success come on let's dance


2007-2008 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Celtics(Celtics win 4-3)

Game 1 score 81 to 104 Hawks lose by a 23pt margin

Game 2 score 77 to 96 Hawks lose by a 19pt margin

Game 5 score 85 to 110 Hawks lose by a 25pts margin

Game 7 score 65 to 99 Hawks lose by a 34pts margin


2008-2009 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Heat(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 78 to 107 Hawks lose by a 29pts margin

Game 6 score 72 to 98 Hawks lose by a 26pts margin


Hawks vs Cavs(Cavs win 4-0)

Game 1 score 72 to 99 Hawks lose by a 27pt margin

Game 2 score 85 to 105 Hawks lose by a 20pts margin


2009-2010 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Bucks(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 89 to 107 Hawks lose by a 18pt margin


Hawks vs Magic(Magic win 4-0)

Game 1 score 71 to 114 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

Game 3 score 75 to 105 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

So in pretty much 50% of the games they played in the playoffs the Woody led Hawks were getting obliterated. Ironically under Drew they were much more competitive in Post-Season registering a couple blowout losses across 3 series.

Wow you really got a boner for Larry Drew. You cleaning his pipes too? All I'm saying is Woodson never got a fair shake in ATL, and the backstabbing did in fact occur, unlike your Isaiah Thomas fan fiction:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/03/30/atlanta-hawks-mike-woodson-larry-drew-not-on-speaking-terms/

Woodson led ATL teams made it to the 2nd round twice, increased his regular season win total every year he coached there, even gave the eventual 2008 Champion Boston Celtics a run for their money in 7 games. The best thing we can say for Drew is that he'll probably make it to the end of this season, before ATL does a full rebuild.

No one has a hard on for Drewy and the link you posted is still pure speculation and conjecture.

You can infer what you want from the article the same as I can with Isiah talking about being the GM of this team again while Donnie Walsh was the current GM. If he's that devious then surely he's game to show it elsewhere. Here's what we know as a fact...... Isiah served/was employed as a "CONSULTANT" to the actual owner of the team, Dolan. One person can't be any closer or have more influence than this.

You didn't forget there were many basketball fans including many Knick fans who felt the Hawks were cheated against the Celtics last year right? You do remember the favorable call they got in ATL on an out of bounds play right? That series went 6gms.

The year prior(his first year as a head coach) Drewy took the Hawks to the second round. Guess who they beat in the first round? The Orlando Magic in 6gms you know the same team in this very thread I showed blew Woody's Haws to smithereens in 4gms. Then as the Hawks advanced they played the Bulls. Guess what that series went 6gms too. You know when the Bulls had the mighty MVP D-Rose that year?


Shall we compare records?

Drewy in 2 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 8-10 record(less blowouts)

Woody in 6 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 11-18 record(lots of blowouts)


I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons
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9/21/2012  3:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/21/2012  3:42 PM
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now we're resorting to tabloid headlines and conspiracy theories instead of known truths?

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Woodson win more games each year in Atlanta and Larry Drew did the reverse?

Mike Woodson:

2005 - 13
2006 - 26
2007 - 30
2008 - 37
2009 - 47
2010 - 53

Larry Drew:

2011 - 44
2012 - 40
2013 - Lottery??

Woodson simply didn't get along with ATL management, which happens, and Larry Drew took advantage of his buddy. Woody, so far, seems to have a great relationship with Knicks management. Until Zeke is officially on the payroll or on the Knicks staff homepage, then any mention of his involvement is just pure bullshyt.


Sure I'll correct you


As if you have any evidence of Drew actually backstabbing Woody, but instead going off conspiracy theories and tabloid fodder. Were you employed by the Atlanta Hawks and did you work with their coaching staff? I'd wager any amount evidence of Isiah's backstabbing in this organization to the very minute second of this post drawfs anything you can bring to the table in regards to Drew backstabbing in ATL.


First of all in 2012 the Hawks won 40gms in a shortened season without Al Horford or did you black out or faint from this?


That's a pace of 50gms on a regular 82gm season. So that's 44gms to 50gms(no Horford) improvement for Drewy this with a team that peaked right as he took over.


And lol at bringing up what Woody did in the regular season. We didn't put this team together for regular season honors per say. We have much bigger fish to fry correct?

Here's a daily standard reminder for you.....

Much like the Celtics motto..."WE DON'T HANG DIVISIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS WE HANG WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS ONLY"

But back to you chronicling Woody's regular season success. I'll 1 up you and provide more evidence as to why he's no longer there....


Shall we look at Post-Season success come on let's dance


2007-2008 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Celtics(Celtics win 4-3)

Game 1 score 81 to 104 Hawks lose by a 23pt margin

Game 2 score 77 to 96 Hawks lose by a 19pt margin

Game 5 score 85 to 110 Hawks lose by a 25pts margin

Game 7 score 65 to 99 Hawks lose by a 34pts margin


2008-2009 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Heat(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 78 to 107 Hawks lose by a 29pts margin

Game 6 score 72 to 98 Hawks lose by a 26pts margin


Hawks vs Cavs(Cavs win 4-0)

Game 1 score 72 to 99 Hawks lose by a 27pt margin

Game 2 score 85 to 105 Hawks lose by a 20pts margin


2009-2010 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Bucks(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 89 to 107 Hawks lose by a 18pt margin


Hawks vs Magic(Magic win 4-0)

Game 1 score 71 to 114 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

Game 3 score 75 to 105 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

So in pretty much 50% of the games they played in the playoffs the Woody led Hawks were getting obliterated. Ironically under Drew they were much more competitive in Post-Season registering a couple blowout losses across 3 series.

Wow you really got a boner for Larry Drew. You cleaning his pipes too? All I'm saying is Woodson never got a fair shake in ATL, and the backstabbing did in fact occur, unlike your Isaiah Thomas fan fiction:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/03/30/atlanta-hawks-mike-woodson-larry-drew-not-on-speaking-terms/

Woodson led ATL teams made it to the 2nd round twice, increased his regular season win total every year he coached there, even gave the eventual 2008 Champion Boston Celtics a run for their money in 7 games. The best thing we can say for Drew is that he'll probably make it to the end of this season, before ATL does a full rebuild.

No one has a hard on for Drewy and the link you posted is still pure speculation and conjecture.

You can infer what you want from the article the same as I can with Isiah talking about being the GM of this team again while Donnie Walsh was the current GM. If he's that devious then surely he's game to show it elsewhere. Here's what we know as a fact...... Isiah served/was employed as a "CONSULTANT" to the actual owner of the team, Dolan. One person can't be any closer or have more influence than this.

You didn't forget there were many basketball fans including many Knick fans who felt the Hawks were cheated against the Celtics last year right? You do remember the favorable call they got in ATL on an out of bounds play right? That series went 6gms.

The year prior(his first year as a head coach) Drewy took the Hawks to the second round. Guess who they beat in the first round? The Orlando Magic in 6gms you know the same team in this very thread I showed blew Woody's Haws to smithereens in 4gms. Then as the Hawks advanced they played the Bulls. Guess what that series went 6gms too. You know when the Bulls had the mighty MVP D-Rose that year?


Shall we compare records?

Drewy in 2 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 8-10 record(less blowouts)

Woody in 6 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 11-18 record(lots of blowouts)


I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

What does that even mean? I still can't believe we're still talking about Drew vs Woodson. The amount of defense you put into Drew is laughable, like you're his best friend or something. Larry Drew is a decent coach, I'm not going to lie. Is he better than Woodson as a head coach, remains to be seen. Both have sub 500 records in the postseason, Woody clearly has the regular season edge. I'd still give the edge as a coach to Woodson overall, as he was a big part of the 2004 Detroit Pistons Championship, pretty much the defensive architect to that team, like Thibodeau was to the Celtics.

When did Isaiah Thomas serve as a consultant? I don't recall, please remind me. Last recorded Knicks ties was 2009, before he took the job at FIU. Since then, it's been Walsh then Grunfeld. Pro-tip, if you post headlines from the Post or Daily News, it doesn't really help your argument. It's slightly better than posting something from the National Enquirer.
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9/21/2012  4:02 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now we're resorting to tabloid headlines and conspiracy theories instead of known truths?

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Woodson win more games each year in Atlanta and Larry Drew did the reverse?

Mike Woodson:

2005 - 13
2006 - 26
2007 - 30
2008 - 37
2009 - 47
2010 - 53

Larry Drew:

2011 - 44
2012 - 40
2013 - Lottery??

Woodson simply didn't get along with ATL management, which happens, and Larry Drew took advantage of his buddy. Woody, so far, seems to have a great relationship with Knicks management. Until Zeke is officially on the payroll or on the Knicks staff homepage, then any mention of his involvement is just pure bullshyt.


Sure I'll correct you


As if you have any evidence of Drew actually backstabbing Woody, but instead going off conspiracy theories and tabloid fodder. Were you employed by the Atlanta Hawks and did you work with their coaching staff? I'd wager any amount evidence of Isiah's backstabbing in this organization to the very minute second of this post drawfs anything you can bring to the table in regards to Drew backstabbing in ATL.


First of all in 2012 the Hawks won 40gms in a shortened season without Al Horford or did you black out or faint from this?


That's a pace of 50gms on a regular 82gm season. So that's 44gms to 50gms(no Horford) improvement for Drewy this with a team that peaked right as he took over.


And lol at bringing up what Woody did in the regular season. We didn't put this team together for regular season honors per say. We have much bigger fish to fry correct?

Here's a daily standard reminder for you.....

Much like the Celtics motto..."WE DON'T HANG DIVISIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS WE HANG WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS ONLY"

But back to you chronicling Woody's regular season success. I'll 1 up you and provide more evidence as to why he's no longer there....


Shall we look at Post-Season success come on let's dance


2007-2008 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Celtics(Celtics win 4-3)

Game 1 score 81 to 104 Hawks lose by a 23pt margin

Game 2 score 77 to 96 Hawks lose by a 19pt margin

Game 5 score 85 to 110 Hawks lose by a 25pts margin

Game 7 score 65 to 99 Hawks lose by a 34pts margin


2008-2009 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Heat(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 78 to 107 Hawks lose by a 29pts margin

Game 6 score 72 to 98 Hawks lose by a 26pts margin


Hawks vs Cavs(Cavs win 4-0)

Game 1 score 72 to 99 Hawks lose by a 27pt margin

Game 2 score 85 to 105 Hawks lose by a 20pts margin


2009-2010 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Bucks(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 89 to 107 Hawks lose by a 18pt margin


Hawks vs Magic(Magic win 4-0)

Game 1 score 71 to 114 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

Game 3 score 75 to 105 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

So in pretty much 50% of the games they played in the playoffs the Woody led Hawks were getting obliterated. Ironically under Drew they were much more competitive in Post-Season registering a couple blowout losses across 3 series.

Wow you really got a boner for Larry Drew. You cleaning his pipes too? All I'm saying is Woodson never got a fair shake in ATL, and the backstabbing did in fact occur, unlike your Isaiah Thomas fan fiction:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/03/30/atlanta-hawks-mike-woodson-larry-drew-not-on-speaking-terms/

Woodson led ATL teams made it to the 2nd round twice, increased his regular season win total every year he coached there, even gave the eventual 2008 Champion Boston Celtics a run for their money in 7 games. The best thing we can say for Drew is that he'll probably make it to the end of this season, before ATL does a full rebuild.

No one has a hard on for Drewy and the link you posted is still pure speculation and conjecture.

You can infer what you want from the article the same as I can with Isiah talking about being the GM of this team again while Donnie Walsh was the current GM. If he's that devious then surely he's game to show it elsewhere. Here's what we know as a fact...... Isiah served/was employed as a "CONSULTANT" to the actual owner of the team, Dolan. One person can't be any closer or have more influence than this.

You didn't forget there were many basketball fans including many Knick fans who felt the Hawks were cheated against the Celtics last year right? You do remember the favorable call they got in ATL on an out of bounds play right? That series went 6gms.

The year prior(his first year as a head coach) Drewy took the Hawks to the second round. Guess who they beat in the first round? The Orlando Magic in 6gms you know the same team in this very thread I showed blew Woody's Haws to smithereens in 4gms. Then as the Hawks advanced they played the Bulls. Guess what that series went 6gms too. You know when the Bulls had the mighty MVP D-Rose that year?


Shall we compare records?

Drewy in 2 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 8-10 record(less blowouts)

Woody in 6 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 11-18 record(lots of blowouts)


I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

What does that even mean? I still can't believe we're still talking about Drew vs Woodson. The amount of defense you put into Drew is laughable, like you're his best friend or something. Larry Drew is a decent coach, I'm not going to lie. Is he better than Woodson as a head coach, remains to be seen. Both have sub 500 records in the postseason, Woody clearly has the regular season edge. I'd still give the edge as a coach to Woodson overall, as he was a big part of the 2004 Detroit Pistons Championship, pretty much the defensive architect to that team, like Thibodeau was to the Celtics.

When did Isaiah Thomas serve as a consultant? I don't recall, please remind me. Last recorded Knicks ties was 2009, before he took the job at FIU. Since then, it's been Walsh then Grunfeld. Pro-tip, if you post headlines from the Post or Daily News, it doesn't really help your argument. It's slightly better than posting something from the National Enquirer.


No one is really defending Drewy. I don't like him or dislike him but in comparison to Woody he's stacking up fine.


In the meantime digest this article from 2010 a season you must have flatlined


http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5442858
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9/21/2012  4:25 PM
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now we're resorting to tabloid headlines and conspiracy theories instead of known truths?

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Woodson win more games each year in Atlanta and Larry Drew did the reverse?

Mike Woodson:

2005 - 13
2006 - 26
2007 - 30
2008 - 37
2009 - 47
2010 - 53

Larry Drew:

2011 - 44
2012 - 40
2013 - Lottery??

Woodson simply didn't get along with ATL management, which happens, and Larry Drew took advantage of his buddy. Woody, so far, seems to have a great relationship with Knicks management. Until Zeke is officially on the payroll or on the Knicks staff homepage, then any mention of his involvement is just pure bullshyt.


Sure I'll correct you


As if you have any evidence of Drew actually backstabbing Woody, but instead going off conspiracy theories and tabloid fodder. Were you employed by the Atlanta Hawks and did you work with their coaching staff? I'd wager any amount evidence of Isiah's backstabbing in this organization to the very minute second of this post drawfs anything you can bring to the table in regards to Drew backstabbing in ATL.


First of all in 2012 the Hawks won 40gms in a shortened season without Al Horford or did you black out or faint from this?


That's a pace of 50gms on a regular 82gm season. So that's 44gms to 50gms(no Horford) improvement for Drewy this with a team that peaked right as he took over.


And lol at bringing up what Woody did in the regular season. We didn't put this team together for regular season honors per say. We have much bigger fish to fry correct?

Here's a daily standard reminder for you.....

Much like the Celtics motto..."WE DON'T HANG DIVISIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS WE HANG WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS ONLY"

But back to you chronicling Woody's regular season success. I'll 1 up you and provide more evidence as to why he's no longer there....


Shall we look at Post-Season success come on let's dance


2007-2008 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Celtics(Celtics win 4-3)

Game 1 score 81 to 104 Hawks lose by a 23pt margin

Game 2 score 77 to 96 Hawks lose by a 19pt margin

Game 5 score 85 to 110 Hawks lose by a 25pts margin

Game 7 score 65 to 99 Hawks lose by a 34pts margin


2008-2009 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Heat(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 78 to 107 Hawks lose by a 29pts margin

Game 6 score 72 to 98 Hawks lose by a 26pts margin


Hawks vs Cavs(Cavs win 4-0)

Game 1 score 72 to 99 Hawks lose by a 27pt margin

Game 2 score 85 to 105 Hawks lose by a 20pts margin


2009-2010 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Bucks(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 89 to 107 Hawks lose by a 18pt margin


Hawks vs Magic(Magic win 4-0)

Game 1 score 71 to 114 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

Game 3 score 75 to 105 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

So in pretty much 50% of the games they played in the playoffs the Woody led Hawks were getting obliterated. Ironically under Drew they were much more competitive in Post-Season registering a couple blowout losses across 3 series.

Wow you really got a boner for Larry Drew. You cleaning his pipes too? All I'm saying is Woodson never got a fair shake in ATL, and the backstabbing did in fact occur, unlike your Isaiah Thomas fan fiction:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/03/30/atlanta-hawks-mike-woodson-larry-drew-not-on-speaking-terms/

Woodson led ATL teams made it to the 2nd round twice, increased his regular season win total every year he coached there, even gave the eventual 2008 Champion Boston Celtics a run for their money in 7 games. The best thing we can say for Drew is that he'll probably make it to the end of this season, before ATL does a full rebuild.

No one has a hard on for Drewy and the link you posted is still pure speculation and conjecture.

You can infer what you want from the article the same as I can with Isiah talking about being the GM of this team again while Donnie Walsh was the current GM. If he's that devious then surely he's game to show it elsewhere. Here's what we know as a fact...... Isiah served/was employed as a "CONSULTANT" to the actual owner of the team, Dolan. One person can't be any closer or have more influence than this.

You didn't forget there were many basketball fans including many Knick fans who felt the Hawks were cheated against the Celtics last year right? You do remember the favorable call they got in ATL on an out of bounds play right? That series went 6gms.

The year prior(his first year as a head coach) Drewy took the Hawks to the second round. Guess who they beat in the first round? The Orlando Magic in 6gms you know the same team in this very thread I showed blew Woody's Haws to smithereens in 4gms. Then as the Hawks advanced they played the Bulls. Guess what that series went 6gms too. You know when the Bulls had the mighty MVP D-Rose that year?


Shall we compare records?

Drewy in 2 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 8-10 record(less blowouts)

Woody in 6 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 11-18 record(lots of blowouts)


I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

What does that even mean? I still can't believe we're still talking about Drew vs Woodson. The amount of defense you put into Drew is laughable, like you're his best friend or something. Larry Drew is a decent coach, I'm not going to lie. Is he better than Woodson as a head coach, remains to be seen. Both have sub 500 records in the postseason, Woody clearly has the regular season edge. I'd still give the edge as a coach to Woodson overall, as he was a big part of the 2004 Detroit Pistons Championship, pretty much the defensive architect to that team, like Thibodeau was to the Celtics.

When did Isaiah Thomas serve as a consultant? I don't recall, please remind me. Last recorded Knicks ties was 2009, before he took the job at FIU. Since then, it's been Walsh then Grunfeld. Pro-tip, if you post headlines from the Post or Daily News, it doesn't really help your argument. It's slightly better than posting something from the National Enquirer.


No one is really defending Drewy. I don't like him or dislike him but in comparison to Woody he's stacking up fine.


In the meantime digest this article from 2010 a season you must have flatlined


http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5442858

Ehh, Drewy isn't racking up any coach of the year votes anytime soon.

That link doesn't really mean anything as far as Knicks personnel moves go. So he wiped Dolan's ass when he took a shat, so what? He did not serve as GM or President, both NCAA and the NBA forbade it, so your shadow theories just flew out the window.
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9/21/2012  4:33 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now we're resorting to tabloid headlines and conspiracy theories instead of known truths?

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Woodson win more games each year in Atlanta and Larry Drew did the reverse?

Mike Woodson:

2005 - 13
2006 - 26
2007 - 30
2008 - 37
2009 - 47
2010 - 53

Larry Drew:

2011 - 44
2012 - 40
2013 - Lottery??

Woodson simply didn't get along with ATL management, which happens, and Larry Drew took advantage of his buddy. Woody, so far, seems to have a great relationship with Knicks management. Until Zeke is officially on the payroll or on the Knicks staff homepage, then any mention of his involvement is just pure bullshyt.


Sure I'll correct you


As if you have any evidence of Drew actually backstabbing Woody, but instead going off conspiracy theories and tabloid fodder. Were you employed by the Atlanta Hawks and did you work with their coaching staff? I'd wager any amount evidence of Isiah's backstabbing in this organization to the very minute second of this post drawfs anything you can bring to the table in regards to Drew backstabbing in ATL.


First of all in 2012 the Hawks won 40gms in a shortened season without Al Horford or did you black out or faint from this?


That's a pace of 50gms on a regular 82gm season. So that's 44gms to 50gms(no Horford) improvement for Drewy this with a team that peaked right as he took over.


And lol at bringing up what Woody did in the regular season. We didn't put this team together for regular season honors per say. We have much bigger fish to fry correct?

Here's a daily standard reminder for you.....

Much like the Celtics motto..."WE DON'T HANG DIVISIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS WE HANG WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS ONLY"

But back to you chronicling Woody's regular season success. I'll 1 up you and provide more evidence as to why he's no longer there....


Shall we look at Post-Season success come on let's dance


2007-2008 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Celtics(Celtics win 4-3)

Game 1 score 81 to 104 Hawks lose by a 23pt margin

Game 2 score 77 to 96 Hawks lose by a 19pt margin

Game 5 score 85 to 110 Hawks lose by a 25pts margin

Game 7 score 65 to 99 Hawks lose by a 34pts margin


2008-2009 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Heat(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 78 to 107 Hawks lose by a 29pts margin

Game 6 score 72 to 98 Hawks lose by a 26pts margin


Hawks vs Cavs(Cavs win 4-0)

Game 1 score 72 to 99 Hawks lose by a 27pt margin

Game 2 score 85 to 105 Hawks lose by a 20pts margin


2009-2010 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Bucks(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 89 to 107 Hawks lose by a 18pt margin


Hawks vs Magic(Magic win 4-0)

Game 1 score 71 to 114 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

Game 3 score 75 to 105 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

So in pretty much 50% of the games they played in the playoffs the Woody led Hawks were getting obliterated. Ironically under Drew they were much more competitive in Post-Season registering a couple blowout losses across 3 series.

Wow you really got a boner for Larry Drew. You cleaning his pipes too? All I'm saying is Woodson never got a fair shake in ATL, and the backstabbing did in fact occur, unlike your Isaiah Thomas fan fiction:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/03/30/atlanta-hawks-mike-woodson-larry-drew-not-on-speaking-terms/

Woodson led ATL teams made it to the 2nd round twice, increased his regular season win total every year he coached there, even gave the eventual 2008 Champion Boston Celtics a run for their money in 7 games. The best thing we can say for Drew is that he'll probably make it to the end of this season, before ATL does a full rebuild.

No one has a hard on for Drewy and the link you posted is still pure speculation and conjecture.

You can infer what you want from the article the same as I can with Isiah talking about being the GM of this team again while Donnie Walsh was the current GM. If he's that devious then surely he's game to show it elsewhere. Here's what we know as a fact...... Isiah served/was employed as a "CONSULTANT" to the actual owner of the team, Dolan. One person can't be any closer or have more influence than this.

You didn't forget there were many basketball fans including many Knick fans who felt the Hawks were cheated against the Celtics last year right? You do remember the favorable call they got in ATL on an out of bounds play right? That series went 6gms.

The year prior(his first year as a head coach) Drewy took the Hawks to the second round. Guess who they beat in the first round? The Orlando Magic in 6gms you know the same team in this very thread I showed blew Woody's Haws to smithereens in 4gms. Then as the Hawks advanced they played the Bulls. Guess what that series went 6gms too. You know when the Bulls had the mighty MVP D-Rose that year?


Shall we compare records?

Drewy in 2 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 8-10 record(less blowouts)

Woody in 6 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 11-18 record(lots of blowouts)


I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

What does that even mean? I still can't believe we're still talking about Drew vs Woodson. The amount of defense you put into Drew is laughable, like you're his best friend or something. Larry Drew is a decent coach, I'm not going to lie. Is he better than Woodson as a head coach, remains to be seen. Both have sub 500 records in the postseason, Woody clearly has the regular season edge. I'd still give the edge as a coach to Woodson overall, as he was a big part of the 2004 Detroit Pistons Championship, pretty much the defensive architect to that team, like Thibodeau was to the Celtics.

When did Isaiah Thomas serve as a consultant? I don't recall, please remind me. Last recorded Knicks ties was 2009, before he took the job at FIU. Since then, it's been Walsh then Grunfeld. Pro-tip, if you post headlines from the Post or Daily News, it doesn't really help your argument. It's slightly better than posting something from the National Enquirer.


No one is really defending Drewy. I don't like him or dislike him but in comparison to Woody he's stacking up fine.


In the meantime digest this article from 2010 a season you must have flatlined


http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5442858

Ehh, Drewy isn't racking up any coach of the year votes anytime soon.

That link doesn't really mean anything as far as Knicks personnel moves go. So he wiped Dolan's ass when he took a shat, so what? He did not serve as GM or President, both NCAA and the NBA forbade it, so your shadow theories just flew out the window.


It's not a theory

Dolan loves Isiah so much.... he tried to circumvent the league by allowing him to GM over the GM while holding a college position and Stern said no. Dolan says okay I'll make Isiah a glorified consultant then. Then this year after the 3rd in command quits his job in Scott O'Neil(you know because execs with jobs of this nature/high profile stature do this on a regular basis(rolling eyes)) he has dinner with him offering him an unidentified position with the team. The only reason he isn't currently employed in this unidentified role is because he hasn't accepted. The same guy who hosted the party at his house for the Amar'e signing and the same guy who said the Knicks should do whatever it took to trade for Carmelo and the team ended up doing just that.
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9/21/2012  4:46 PM
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now we're resorting to tabloid headlines and conspiracy theories instead of known truths?

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Woodson win more games each year in Atlanta and Larry Drew did the reverse?

Mike Woodson:

2005 - 13
2006 - 26
2007 - 30
2008 - 37
2009 - 47
2010 - 53

Larry Drew:

2011 - 44
2012 - 40
2013 - Lottery??

Woodson simply didn't get along with ATL management, which happens, and Larry Drew took advantage of his buddy. Woody, so far, seems to have a great relationship with Knicks management. Until Zeke is officially on the payroll or on the Knicks staff homepage, then any mention of his involvement is just pure bullshyt.


Sure I'll correct you


As if you have any evidence of Drew actually backstabbing Woody, but instead going off conspiracy theories and tabloid fodder. Were you employed by the Atlanta Hawks and did you work with their coaching staff? I'd wager any amount evidence of Isiah's backstabbing in this organization to the very minute second of this post drawfs anything you can bring to the table in regards to Drew backstabbing in ATL.


First of all in 2012 the Hawks won 40gms in a shortened season without Al Horford or did you black out or faint from this?


That's a pace of 50gms on a regular 82gm season. So that's 44gms to 50gms(no Horford) improvement for Drewy this with a team that peaked right as he took over.


And lol at bringing up what Woody did in the regular season. We didn't put this team together for regular season honors per say. We have much bigger fish to fry correct?

Here's a daily standard reminder for you.....

Much like the Celtics motto..."WE DON'T HANG DIVISIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS WE HANG WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS ONLY"

But back to you chronicling Woody's regular season success. I'll 1 up you and provide more evidence as to why he's no longer there....


Shall we look at Post-Season success come on let's dance


2007-2008 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Celtics(Celtics win 4-3)

Game 1 score 81 to 104 Hawks lose by a 23pt margin

Game 2 score 77 to 96 Hawks lose by a 19pt margin

Game 5 score 85 to 110 Hawks lose by a 25pts margin

Game 7 score 65 to 99 Hawks lose by a 34pts margin


2008-2009 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Heat(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 78 to 107 Hawks lose by a 29pts margin

Game 6 score 72 to 98 Hawks lose by a 26pts margin


Hawks vs Cavs(Cavs win 4-0)

Game 1 score 72 to 99 Hawks lose by a 27pt margin

Game 2 score 85 to 105 Hawks lose by a 20pts margin


2009-2010 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Bucks(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 89 to 107 Hawks lose by a 18pt margin


Hawks vs Magic(Magic win 4-0)

Game 1 score 71 to 114 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

Game 3 score 75 to 105 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

So in pretty much 50% of the games they played in the playoffs the Woody led Hawks were getting obliterated. Ironically under Drew they were much more competitive in Post-Season registering a couple blowout losses across 3 series.

Wow you really got a boner for Larry Drew. You cleaning his pipes too? All I'm saying is Woodson never got a fair shake in ATL, and the backstabbing did in fact occur, unlike your Isaiah Thomas fan fiction:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/03/30/atlanta-hawks-mike-woodson-larry-drew-not-on-speaking-terms/

Woodson led ATL teams made it to the 2nd round twice, increased his regular season win total every year he coached there, even gave the eventual 2008 Champion Boston Celtics a run for their money in 7 games. The best thing we can say for Drew is that he'll probably make it to the end of this season, before ATL does a full rebuild.

No one has a hard on for Drewy and the link you posted is still pure speculation and conjecture.

You can infer what you want from the article the same as I can with Isiah talking about being the GM of this team again while Donnie Walsh was the current GM. If he's that devious then surely he's game to show it elsewhere. Here's what we know as a fact...... Isiah served/was employed as a "CONSULTANT" to the actual owner of the team, Dolan. One person can't be any closer or have more influence than this.

You didn't forget there were many basketball fans including many Knick fans who felt the Hawks were cheated against the Celtics last year right? You do remember the favorable call they got in ATL on an out of bounds play right? That series went 6gms.

The year prior(his first year as a head coach) Drewy took the Hawks to the second round. Guess who they beat in the first round? The Orlando Magic in 6gms you know the same team in this very thread I showed blew Woody's Haws to smithereens in 4gms. Then as the Hawks advanced they played the Bulls. Guess what that series went 6gms too. You know when the Bulls had the mighty MVP D-Rose that year?


Shall we compare records?

Drewy in 2 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 8-10 record(less blowouts)

Woody in 6 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 11-18 record(lots of blowouts)


I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

What does that even mean? I still can't believe we're still talking about Drew vs Woodson. The amount of defense you put into Drew is laughable, like you're his best friend or something. Larry Drew is a decent coach, I'm not going to lie. Is he better than Woodson as a head coach, remains to be seen. Both have sub 500 records in the postseason, Woody clearly has the regular season edge. I'd still give the edge as a coach to Woodson overall, as he was a big part of the 2004 Detroit Pistons Championship, pretty much the defensive architect to that team, like Thibodeau was to the Celtics.

When did Isaiah Thomas serve as a consultant? I don't recall, please remind me. Last recorded Knicks ties was 2009, before he took the job at FIU. Since then, it's been Walsh then Grunfeld. Pro-tip, if you post headlines from the Post or Daily News, it doesn't really help your argument. It's slightly better than posting something from the National Enquirer.


No one is really defending Drewy. I don't like him or dislike him but in comparison to Woody he's stacking up fine.


In the meantime digest this article from 2010 a season you must have flatlined


http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5442858

Ehh, Drewy isn't racking up any coach of the year votes anytime soon.

That link doesn't really mean anything as far as Knicks personnel moves go. So he wiped Dolan's ass when he took a shat, so what? He did not serve as GM or President, both NCAA and the NBA forbade it, so your shadow theories just flew out the window.


It's not a theory

Dolan loves Isiah so much.... he tried to circumvent the league by allowing him to GM over the GM while holding a college position and Stern said no. Dolan says okay I'll make Isiah a glorified consultant then. Then this year after the 3rd in command quits his job in Scott O'Neil(you know because execs with jobs of this nature/high profile stature do this on a regular basis(rolling eyes)) he has dinner with him offering him an unidentified position with the team. The only reason he isn't currently employed in this unidentified role is because he hasn't accepted. The same guy who hosted the party at his house for the Amar'e signing and the same guy who said the Knicks should do whatever it took to trade for Carmelo and the team ended up doing just that.


Is this in writing somewhere as truth or fact? It's one thing to guess or speculate, but to formulate all these little news bits, get togethers, and sightings and try to pass it as truth, is still in fact "Theory". That's all this is. He said she said, rumors, dinner parties...it doesn't mean a thing. So Dolan has a thing for Isaiah Thomas twat, so what? Is it an unnatural obsession? Yes. Is Isaiah pulling the puppet strings from afar. HELL NO. Until this is proven otherwise, then all your babbling is just theorycraft, or should I say theorycrap.
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9/21/2012  11:35 PM
3G4G wrote:Good article in terms of it's depth but I find nothing wrong with George Karl from this article. I've never heard of any reports in Denver about players trying to get as far away as they could from Karl or their utter dislike playing for him, besides Ray Allen(who proved he's very Divaesque himself).

Ty Lawson is trying to re-up

Nene re-upped

Afflalo re-upped

Camby re-upped

Andersen re-upped

J.R. re-upped

A.I. wanted to re-up

Miller signed there as a free agent and welcomed being traded back there

K-Mart signed there as a free agent

Gallo signed a new contract

Chandler signed a new contract

Javele signed a new contract

Anthony Randolph signed as a free agent

If he's such a prick why have all these players tried to come there or remain a part of their organization?


Karl was pretty spot on about J.R. during his time there.

Who are we trying to KID here? Before J.R. was a Knick this is what 90% of the fan base thought of him...referring to him as someone with horrific shot selection, low IQ thug.

Remember the Gigitty Ganster Sign gif?



And then went to town on him when he did this....



That in of itself is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen during a basketball game. Not only was he playing 1 on 5, he didn't care that Melo(his teammate) was laid out on the court supposedly hurt. Yeah great maturation shown here as this only happened 2yrs ago. J.R. wanted to remain a Nugget. He resigned with them once when he didn't have to and could have went to Chicago. It wasn't until he got the msg last off-season he wasn't in their plans he went elsewhere. This guy also wasn't handling himself professionally when he was in China last year.


Look have players like J.R. matured to some degree, maybe so but it's so small in comparison to how bad they've been throughout their careers. Then his dad has the nerve throughout the whole article without hiding anything stating his son should have been CODDLED. Please give me a break. You think Doc/Pop/Phil Jackson/Thibs/JVG and the likes CODDLE insanely immature players?


His immaturity led to some fatal consequences(this is what probably helped him grow). Shouldn't take the cost of someone's life to get to that point


I wonder what his dad thinks of a Man publicly talking about another Man's contract in the press. I wonder if that's akin to a coach saying to the press a player will shoot a team in and out of a game? This is exactly what J.R. did to us in the Heat series. I wonder if his dad agrees about the clout these players hold with their agents/possees and whatnot as it pertains to J.R. signing with us and his brother...(J.R.'s other son) who showed very little in SL represented by CAA?


Let's hope Earl shows up this year as a real Duke and not the continual enigmatic Fluke he's been.

Quite a post. C.A.A. conspiracy, Lin contract, a revision of the alleged Melo flop, J.R.'s Posse, and a bunch of flawed players and guys trying to not relocate and get theirs being used as support for Karl. There are a lot of articles and incidents depicting J.R. as an immature, self-centered guy. However, there has been a lot more coverage of the good aspects of J. R. recently. I don't get the hate. The guy can play and resigned with the Knicks at a discount. Instead of being praised for loyalty he is trashed and protrayed as a guy that couldn't do better than the contract he got for the Knicks. I could be wrong but I think most expected JR to be gone after last season because of the knicks cap situation.

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9/22/2012  12:17 AM
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now we're resorting to tabloid headlines and conspiracy theories instead of known truths?

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Woodson win more games each year in Atlanta and Larry Drew did the reverse?

Mike Woodson:

2005 - 13
2006 - 26
2007 - 30
2008 - 37
2009 - 47
2010 - 53

Larry Drew:

2011 - 44
2012 - 40
2013 - Lottery??

Woodson simply didn't get along with ATL management, which happens, and Larry Drew took advantage of his buddy. Woody, so far, seems to have a great relationship with Knicks management. Until Zeke is officially on the payroll or on the Knicks staff homepage, then any mention of his involvement is just pure bullshyt.


Sure I'll correct you


As if you have any evidence of Drew actually backstabbing Woody, but instead going off conspiracy theories and tabloid fodder. Were you employed by the Atlanta Hawks and did you work with their coaching staff? I'd wager any amount evidence of Isiah's backstabbing in this organization to the very minute second of this post drawfs anything you can bring to the table in regards to Drew backstabbing in ATL.


First of all in 2012 the Hawks won 40gms in a shortened season without Al Horford or did you black out or faint from this?


That's a pace of 50gms on a regular 82gm season. So that's 44gms to 50gms(no Horford) improvement for Drewy this with a team that peaked right as he took over.


And lol at bringing up what Woody did in the regular season. We didn't put this team together for regular season honors per say. We have much bigger fish to fry correct?

Here's a daily standard reminder for you.....

Much like the Celtics motto..."WE DON'T HANG DIVISIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS WE HANG WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS ONLY"

But back to you chronicling Woody's regular season success. I'll 1 up you and provide more evidence as to why he's no longer there....


Shall we look at Post-Season success come on let's dance


2007-2008 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Celtics(Celtics win 4-3)

Game 1 score 81 to 104 Hawks lose by a 23pt margin

Game 2 score 77 to 96 Hawks lose by a 19pt margin

Game 5 score 85 to 110 Hawks lose by a 25pts margin

Game 7 score 65 to 99 Hawks lose by a 34pts margin


2008-2009 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Heat(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 78 to 107 Hawks lose by a 29pts margin

Game 6 score 72 to 98 Hawks lose by a 26pts margin


Hawks vs Cavs(Cavs win 4-0)

Game 1 score 72 to 99 Hawks lose by a 27pt margin

Game 2 score 85 to 105 Hawks lose by a 20pts margin


2009-2010 season Playoffs

Hawks vs Bucks(Hawks win 4-3)

Game 3 score 89 to 107 Hawks lose by a 18pt margin


Hawks vs Magic(Magic win 4-0)

Game 1 score 71 to 114 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

Game 3 score 75 to 105 Hawks lose by a I can't even do the math here

So in pretty much 50% of the games they played in the playoffs the Woody led Hawks were getting obliterated. Ironically under Drew they were much more competitive in Post-Season registering a couple blowout losses across 3 series.

Wow you really got a boner for Larry Drew. You cleaning his pipes too? All I'm saying is Woodson never got a fair shake in ATL, and the backstabbing did in fact occur, unlike your Isaiah Thomas fan fiction:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/03/30/atlanta-hawks-mike-woodson-larry-drew-not-on-speaking-terms/

Woodson led ATL teams made it to the 2nd round twice, increased his regular season win total every year he coached there, even gave the eventual 2008 Champion Boston Celtics a run for their money in 7 games. The best thing we can say for Drew is that he'll probably make it to the end of this season, before ATL does a full rebuild.

No one has a hard on for Drewy and the link you posted is still pure speculation and conjecture.

You can infer what you want from the article the same as I can with Isiah talking about being the GM of this team again while Donnie Walsh was the current GM. If he's that devious then surely he's game to show it elsewhere. Here's what we know as a fact...... Isiah served/was employed as a "CONSULTANT" to the actual owner of the team, Dolan. One person can't be any closer or have more influence than this.

You didn't forget there were many basketball fans including many Knick fans who felt the Hawks were cheated against the Celtics last year right? You do remember the favorable call they got in ATL on an out of bounds play right? That series went 6gms.

The year prior(his first year as a head coach) Drewy took the Hawks to the second round. Guess who they beat in the first round? The Orlando Magic in 6gms you know the same team in this very thread I showed blew Woody's Haws to smithereens in 4gms. Then as the Hawks advanced they played the Bulls. Guess what that series went 6gms too. You know when the Bulls had the mighty MVP D-Rose that year?


Shall we compare records?

Drewy in 2 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 8-10 record(less blowouts)

Woody in 6 seasons as Head Coach of Hawks has a 11-18 record(lots of blowouts)


I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

I swear you must Coma full basketball seasons

What does that even mean? I still can't believe we're still talking about Drew vs Woodson. The amount of defense you put into Drew is laughable, like you're his best friend or something. Larry Drew is a decent coach, I'm not going to lie. Is he better than Woodson as a head coach, remains to be seen. Both have sub 500 records in the postseason, Woody clearly has the regular season edge. I'd still give the edge as a coach to Woodson overall, as he was a big part of the 2004 Detroit Pistons Championship, pretty much the defensive architect to that team, like Thibodeau was to the Celtics.

When did Isaiah Thomas serve as a consultant? I don't recall, please remind me. Last recorded Knicks ties was 2009, before he took the job at FIU. Since then, it's been Walsh then Grunfeld. Pro-tip, if you post headlines from the Post or Daily News, it doesn't really help your argument. It's slightly better than posting something from the National Enquirer.


No one is really defending Drewy. I don't like him or dislike him but in comparison to Woody he's stacking up fine.


In the meantime digest this article from 2010 a season you must have flatlined


http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5442858

That whole thing sucked. Of course Isiah was the guy getting press and talking but the fact that what he was talking about wasn't another total lie was very frustrating. That being said, nothing came of it. Isiah was already failing at FIU and in retrospect, how could anyone without a very flawed ego think they could work as an ncaa coach and for an nba team. Walsh did all the work to put the knicks into position to be players on the free agent market. Isiah wanted to step over him and take the credit for the signings that didn't happen anyway. The guy has serious issues and has attempted suicide. Its too bad that he is friends with the owner of the Knicks. Fortunately, the gm in place isn't one that Dolan was told to hire or a father figure to the owner.
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misterearl wrote:Error In Judgement

Nalod - Woodson's job is not to mentor these men but get them to play basketball together.

Nalod - You are missing a HUGE critical point. In the same manner another Red Holzman disciple, Phil Jackson, understands a coach cannot maximize the collective output of individuals without prodding them to work on their weaknesses, Mike Woodson understands you cannot begin to think championship by focusing only on basketball.

Do you really think Hakeem and Amare only talked about basketball during meals in Houston?

Your point that Stoudemire and Carmelo have fattened their bank accounts means absolutely nothing in terms of professional achievement. No one cares how much money you made, unless they are hung up on envy. The only thing that matters is "Did you win a ring?" They both know that and desperately want to win. But development as a basketball player does not happen apart from personal development. Why else did Phil Jackson hand out handpicked books for his guys to read?

Hubie Brown is one of the greatest basketball tacticians on the planet, However, you do not get the modern (black or otherwise) athlete to run through a wall for you by calling them "egg sucking dogs." Yes, that is a direct quote.

The four players I noted have come a long way. Other than Tyson Chandler, they still have a long way to earn the respect of a champion. Basketball theory is less important than getting inside their heads to find out what makes them a better person and teammate. It's only a feel good story if they win. Lose and it is a sadder story than the divorce of Bob McAdoo and Spencer Haywood.

Which brings us back to Mike Woodson. Woodson is a mentor, role model (especially as an African American coach), surrogate father, distributor of minutes and task master all rolled into one.

Woodson understands that. That is how it works. Going 18-6 was not a misprint.

It was just a start.

YOu have a romantic notion about players. Don't lose it.

There comes a point when max players need to have a ring to cement their legacy.

My point is as a "Father figure" I think your stretching it. Your also I think taking presumptions about relationships.

I dig Woodson and hope this is great story unfolding.

He has very fine qualities for sure. ISiah talked about bringing in very similar things to the lock room.

Im rooting for him!


I still get a kick out of "Father Figure" ha ha ha

Meanwhile let's enjoy this once Big Tune
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