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Bonn1997
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9/16/2012  8:28 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
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MaTT4281 wrote:I don't go to Chuck for his objectivity, or his analysis of the game, but I have to admit, for 29/30 teams in the league, I'm pretty entertained by his comments.

Me too. He does have blinders on when it comes to the Knicks but he is entertaining and funny as hell. Beats another dry commentator.


Does he have blinders on? If so, what over the past decade did he not see that he should have?

Even in those rare moments when the Knicks have played well he finds a way to insult them.


Define "played well"

LOL. How about a game that he is covering where the Knicks are scoring more pts than the other team. Not where they are in the rankings, not who their owner is, not what are their prospects for the rest of the season, what they are doing during the game that he's covering.

As I said before, I enjoy watching Barkley whenever he is covering any other team but the Knicks because he usually doesn't give much in the way of commentary other than "who cares? The Knicks suck". Not exactly what I would call in depth analysis. Doesn't mean that I disagree with him that they haven't been a very good team and more often than not a bad one. When the subject of how far they will go in the season comes up I don't mind him ripping the Knicks to shreds.


So they've played well only in a myopic or narrow sense - not enough for any national commentator to care about.
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9/16/2012  9:34 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:I don't go to Chuck for his objectivity, or his analysis of the game, but I have to admit, for 29/30 teams in the league, I'm pretty entertained by his comments.

Me too. He does have blinders on when it comes to the Knicks but he is entertaining and funny as hell. Beats another dry commentator.


Does he have blinders on? If so, what over the past decade did he not see that he should have?

Even in those rare moments when the Knicks have played well he finds a way to insult them.


Define "played well"

LOL. How about a game that he is covering where the Knicks are scoring more pts than the other team. Not where they are in the rankings, not who their owner is, not what are their prospects for the rest of the season, what they are doing during the game that he's covering.

As I said before, I enjoy watching Barkley whenever he is covering any other team but the Knicks because he usually doesn't give much in the way of commentary other than "who cares? The Knicks suck". Not exactly what I would call in depth analysis. Doesn't mean that I disagree with him that they haven't been a very good team and more often than not a bad one. When the subject of how far they will go in the season comes up I don't mind him ripping the Knicks to shreds.


So they've played well only in a myopic or narrow sense - not enough for any national commentator to care about.

Speaking of not playing 'well enough for a national commentator to care about,' care to explain why he's slobbing the Nyets or even mentioning them for any reason? What the hell have they done to be 'cared about?'

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9/16/2012  10:59 AM
Uptown wrote:
tkf wrote:
Uptown wrote:
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:I don't go to Chuck for his objectivity, or his analysis of the game, but I have to admit, for 29/30 teams in the league, I'm pretty entertained by his comments.

Me too. He does have blinders on when it comes to the Knicks but he is entertaining and funny as hell. Beats another dry commentator.


Does he have blinders on? If so, what over the past decade did he not see that he should have?


exactly.. yea, charles may be bitter, but I do know he is good friends with ewing and he is bitter at how the knicks have treated ewing post retirement.. and I am with him on that.... For example, we give Hakeem a job, and I like Hakeem, have no problem with the dream, but Ewing has played a key role in the development of Dwight Howard and also worked with yao... there is a body of work there with ewing and he still can't get a sniff at a real gig with the franchise he carried for over a decade.

chuck has been right, the knicks have every year to quiet him, and so far they keep proving him right...

You make a good point about Ewing, and I agree, however Hakeem has a direct tie to our coach so I can understand Woodson reaching out to Olajuwon. Also, Hakeem was a more accomplished post-player than Ewing was and Hakeem's effect on other bigs (and smalls in the case of Lebron and Kobe) have been perhaps a little more effective not to mention more hyped up. Hakeem has been the flavor of the year or last 2 years aswell.

Despite Ewing still being on the outside looking in, we do have former Knicks still involved with the organization in various positions from Clyde, to Houston, to Starks, to Herb and now LJ....

but that doesn't necessarily mean much when it comes to teaching.. there are a lot of good coaches and teachers, who were never great at their position that make great teachers... hakeem worked with kobe on footwork, and that was more of a touch up for a very accomplished player.. the work ewing did with a very raw dwight stands out more to me.. his work with yao was also important in his development..

again, I have no problem with hakeem, but this organization hasn't done Ewing right... and I am not sure why...

Good point about the coaches and its very true. Also, would love to see the Knicks find a place for thier all time scorer and arguably the best player in franchise history. However, answer me this. For all the work that Ewing did with Dwight, why did he still feel necessary to seek Hakeem out when he see's Ewing everyday in practice?

DAMN GOOD QUESTION..LOL.. maybe he wanted to work on some specific things like footwork... maybe ewing is better at developing the raw talent and then guys like Hakeem are better at working on specific things like footwork and spin moves.. I mean a lot of guards go to john lucas camp, yet you don't see teams running to hire him as a coach...

again, I have no problem with Hakeem, just with the way the knicks have treated Ewing since retirement..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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9/16/2012  11:07 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
tkf wrote:
Uptown wrote:
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:I don't go to Chuck for his objectivity, or his analysis of the game, but I have to admit, for 29/30 teams in the league, I'm pretty entertained by his comments.

Me too. He does have blinders on when it comes to the Knicks but he is entertaining and funny as hell. Beats another dry commentator.


Does he have blinders on? If so, what over the past decade did he not see that he should have?


exactly.. yea, charles may be bitter, but I do know he is good friends with ewing and he is bitter at how the knicks have treated ewing post retirement.. and I am with him on that.... For example, we give Hakeem a job, and I like Hakeem, have no problem with the dream, but Ewing has played a key role in the development of Dwight Howard and also worked with yao... there is a body of work there with ewing and he still can't get a sniff at a real gig with the franchise he carried for over a decade.

chuck has been right, the knicks have every year to quiet him, and so far they keep proving him right...

You make a good point about Ewing, and I agree, however Hakeem has a direct tie to our coach so I can understand Woodson reaching out to Olajuwon. Also, Hakeem was a more accomplished post-player than Ewing was and Hakeem's effect on other bigs (and smalls in the case of Lebron and Kobe) have been perhaps a little more effective not to mention more hyped up. Hakeem has been the flavor of the year or last 2 years aswell.

Despite Ewing still being on the outside looking in, we do have former Knicks still involved with the organization in various positions from Clyde, to Houston, to Starks, to Herb and now LJ....

but that doesn't necessarily mean much when it comes to teaching.. there are a lot of good coaches and teachers, who were never great at their position that make great teachers... hakeem worked with kobe on footwork, and that was more of a touch up for a very accomplished player.. the work ewing did with a very raw dwight stands out more to me.. his work with yao was also important in his development..

again, I have no problem with hakeem, but this organization hasn't done Ewing right... and I am not sure why...

Ewing forced a trade that hurt the Knicks for years and Dolan isn't forgetting that. He could have waited until the end of the season where a deal could have been worked out which would have been good for himself and the Knicks and he knew that. He didn't care what happened to the Knicks going forward, he just wanted out. Nice goodbye present for the fans. Ewing lasted a season in Seattle.

I thought Dolan should have welcomed him back earlier and held the grudge for too long but Ewing can't say that he is blameless in this. Just read what Hakeem was saying about what the Knicks should do. He is clearly a much better communicator than Ewing and that's a big part of coaching. Its why players are flying from all over the country, if not the world, to learn from him and not Ewing.

well that is true, but ewing was hurt, he wanted the knicks to show him some love.. somehow we always manage to fail in the damage control area...

but not to derail the topic, this is how some of us may feel about melo. He could have waited until he was a Free agent and had a really good young team to work with, instead when walsh began to stall on the deal melo and his agent went right to dolan.... again, melo wanted money first and foremost, IMO he could care less how much the knicks had to give up....

so whild dolan may be upset at ewing, maybe he should look at his current golden child, and how he used the nets to play the knicks into giving up the farm....

again, not to derail, but it seems like dolan chooses who he wants to hold grudges with.. Ewing carried this franchise for a decade, gave everything he had, there were games where I watched this guy limp in pain up and down the court, he gave his all.. I remember what it was like before ewing and bernard king, it was some dark days for knicks fans, Ewing saved this franchise, he made us relevant for over a decade.. and not only that, this isn't a charity case, ewing can really help our bigs, and so can oakley..

with that, I say to hell with dolan, this guy is the biggest problem with this franchise and honestly IMO it will be a miracle if we ever win a ring as long as he is involved.. I don't care if we had the olympic team roster, he would find a way to mess that up...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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9/16/2012  11:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/16/2012  11:56 AM
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:I don't go to Chuck for his objectivity, or his analysis of the game, but I have to admit, for 29/30 teams in the league, I'm pretty entertained by his comments.

Me too. He does have blinders on when it comes to the Knicks but he is entertaining and funny as hell. Beats another dry commentator.


Does he have blinders on? If so, what over the past decade did he not see that he should have?

Even in those rare moments when the Knicks have played well he finds a way to insult them.


Define "played well"

LOL. How about a game that he is covering where the Knicks are scoring more pts than the other team. Not where they are in the rankings, not who their owner is, not what are their prospects for the rest of the season, what they are doing during the game that he's covering.

As I said before, I enjoy watching Barkley whenever he is covering any other team but the Knicks because he usually doesn't give much in the way of commentary other than "who cares? The Knicks suck". Not exactly what I would call in depth analysis. Doesn't mean that I disagree with him that they haven't been a very good team and more often than not a bad one. When the subject of how far they will go in the season comes up I don't mind him ripping the Knicks to shreds.


So they've played well only in a myopic or narrow sense - not enough for any national commentator to care about.

Speaking of not playing 'well enough for a national commentator to care about,' care to explain why he's slobbing the Nyets or even mentioning them for any reason? What the hell have they done to be 'cared about?'


Your comment is referring to past basketball. Has he actually praised their recent past? I am not aware of that.

We could have a legitimate debate about whether he and others are overestimating the Nets' future. I think anyone predicting a very good season for them is, but that is different from the focus of your question.

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9/16/2012  4:06 PM
When the Knicks acquired Stoudemire that year, Barkley went on record as saying the Knicks would miss the playoffs and the Nets would MAKE the playoffs. And that's before they got D Williams. That says it all. He has said (during offseasons) a number of times within the past 3 years that the Nets will be better. It's just wishful thinking on his part. This is just the latest.
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9/16/2012  7:23 PM
TheloniusMonk wrote:When the Knicks acquired Stoudemire that year, Barkley went on record as saying the Knicks would miss the playoffs and the Nets would MAKE the playoffs. And that's before they got D Williams. That says it all. He has said (during offseasons) a number of times within the past 3 years that the Nets will be better. It's just wishful thinking on his part. This is just the latest.

quotes?
did we make the playoffs that year? we achieved so little that it's easy to forget it.
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9/16/2012  7:36 PM
except this time he might be right about the Nets. Knicks areen't as good without Lin.
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9/17/2012  8:39 AM
Don't get too upset. Barkley is the perfect foil for some on this site who like selective, insipid criticism. Steroidal anti-homers need love too, even if it is from a TV tool who couldn't think his way out of wet paper bag.

And never, never compare Knicks hatred to the absence of Net criticism! It's just not the same! Hey, I think the Nets could go all the way this year! How bout that Gerald Wallace?? HE'S not fat, and I bet HE would have won a chip by now if HE had been with Genius Karl out West!

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9/17/2012  2:39 PM
I don't blame Chuck. I'm a Knicks fan and I don't like them right now either. Our owner wants to hire IT back for Christ sake!
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9/18/2012  10:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/18/2012  10:17 AM
ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't blame Chuck. I'm a Knicks fan and I don't like them right now either. Our owner wants to hire IT back for Christ sake!

Well, the owner doesn't like us. He does like our wallets though.

And Chuck is there for entertainment.

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9/18/2012  10:40 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Barkley has been anti knick since they treated Pat wrong. He is open about it.

A BS excuse that would only work on the younger generation. Barkley has been a hater with nothing good to say since the Knicks swept them and brought out the brooms. Barkley has been ani-new york ever since.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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