nixluva wrote:Bosh is just being honest. You can't overlook a team with the talent NY has when they'll have more time together to work things out. The Knicks didn't have enough strength at PG late last year to really put up the kind of fight this team is capable of. Now they've addressed that weakness and added quality depth at Center. This team is a legit threat to any team in the league. All of the mismatched issues are gone. The coach and players are much more in sync style wise.

Woody is addressing the main issue left and that's how to mesh Melo, STAT and Tyson. There's no guarantee of just how successful this will be, but if they do in fact improve their interplay with each other and their teammates on the offensive end and you mate that with the strength they showed on the defensive end, this team is gonna be a top tier team this season.

sure you can.. every NBA team has talent, it is getting that talent to play winning ball.. NY's talent hasn't done so.. therefore you can overlook a team that can't put the pieces together, it happens all of the time.. The knicks are not loaded with talent man, we just aren't.... and please don't talk about olympic players... not one of our olypians are tops at their position... knick fans get too caught up in that stuff and not in actual results...

Funny how bosh is just being honest.. Yet Barkley is a hater....

FoeDiddy wrote:The person mentioning Magic Johnson and Jon Barry saying the Knicks would have been a first round nightmare last year needs to understand that assessment was made with a healthy roster. The Knicks lost Shump in game one, Baron soon after, Amare soon after. Gauging from game 4 which the knicks won, if healthy they would have given the Heat a decent challenge. Downplaying the roster with bad humor from old Knicks rosters is childish and shortsighted.

It has nothing to do about results in this case. It's about this perception we aren't given enough credit when if paid close attention to we receive far more credit than we deserve and usually disappoint. Yes we weren't healthy the whole series but we were given credit of being a threat prior to the injury storm.

As far injuries go it's only an excuse that can be used so much. When the team had Lin and no Melo or Amar'e they went 8-1. Let's say the record during this stretch was closer to .500 because the games resulted in us coming up just short in a few. Guess what, you could take away a lot of pride in the way the team competed right?... but instead the past 2 post-seasons when suffering injuries we haven't been competitive.

You know like when the Suns didn't have Amar'e for a whole post-season and went to the WCF

You know like when the Boston Celtics missed Garnett for a whole post-season and the Celtics came within 1 game of reaching the ECF

You know like when the Lakers didn't have Bynum for a whole post-season but went to the Finals

You know like when the Memphis Grizzlies missed Rudy Gay for a whole post-season and beat the Spurs in the playoffs

You know like when the Bulls missed Derrick Rose for half the season and finished with the best record in the NBA

You know like when the Rockets had T-Mac and Yao down practically simultaneously and set an NBA record for most wins in a row

You know like when the Hawks missed Al Horford for the whole season and grabbed a 5th seed

Don't pick and choose when the injury excuse fits and when it doesn't because if it's Melo vs Lin then injuries were being taken out of context but if it's about post-season failure then injuries meant everything.

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:The person mentioning Magic Johnson and Jon Barry saying the Knicks would have been a first round nightmare last year needs to understand that assessment was made with a healthy roster. The Knicks lost Shump in game one, Baron soon after, Amare soon after. Gauging from game 4 which the knicks won, if healthy they would have given the Heat a decent challenge. Downplaying the roster with bad humor from old Knicks rosters is childish and shortsighted.

It has nothing to do about results in this case. It's about this perception we aren't given enough credit when if paid close attention to we receive far more credit than we deserve and usually disappoint. Yes we weren't healthy the whole series but we were given credit of being a threat prior to the injury storm.

As far injuries go it's only an excuse that can be used so much. When the team had Lin and no Melo or Amar'e they went 8-1. Let's say the record during this stretch was closer to .500 because the games resulted in us coming up just short in a few. Guess what, you could take away a lot of pride in the way the team competed right?... but instead the past 2 post-seasons when suffering injuries we haven't been competitive.

You know like when the Suns didn't have Amar'e for a whole post-season and went to the WCF

You know like when the Boston Celtics missed Garnett for a whole post-season and the Celtics came within 1 game of reaching the ECF

You know like when the Lakers didn't have Bynum for a whole post-season but went to the Finals

You know like when the Memphis Grizzlies missed Rudy Gay for a whole post-season and beat the Spurs in the playoffs

You know like when the Bulls missed Derrick Rose for half the season and finished with the best record in the NBA

You know like when the Rockets had T-Mac and Yao down practically simultaneously and set an NBA record for most wins in a row

You know like when the Hawks missed Al Horford for the whole season and grabbed a 5th seed

Don't pick and choose when the injury excuse fits and when it doesn't because if it's Melo vs Lin then injuries were being taken out of context but if it's about post-season failure then injuries meant everything.

So which of those teams had 4 starters sick or injured in the first round and still moved on to the next round??...You are also fond of pointing out Melo's short comings in the playoffs...He average 27.8 pts 8.2 boards, 2.2 assist, and 1.2 stls against the Heat last year in the first round...Against Boston, it was 26 pts, 10.3 reb, 4.8 assist, 0.8 blks, 1.3 stls....What else can one guy do???...Maybe clean out the locker rooms and polish the Garden floor too...Enlighten me...

Melo is absolved from blame to a degree when it comes to "team competitiveness" factoring injuries. But much like when Lin supporters point out his overall numbers Lin naysayers hen pecked his bad performances so guess what let me do the same here

In Melo's 9 playoff games as a Knick are you ready the numbers are what they say they are.... here we go

2011-2012 Playoffs

Game 1 3-15fg that's PURE TRASH

Game 3 7-23 that's PURE TRASH

2010-2011 Playoffs

Game 1 5-18fg that's PURE TRASH

Game 3 4-16fg that's PURE TRASH

Game 4 10-24fg that's PURE CHUCK

As you can see it's not sustainable with Melo like fans say Lin's play wasn't sustainable. Melo is a hella streaky performer maybe the best STREAKER in the NBA. He needs to become a more fluid player who has moments of greatness not 2-3gms of greatness mixed with mediocre to garbage performances allowing him seasons of free passes.

It's not always a good thing henpecking is it?

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:The person mentioning Magic Johnson and Jon Barry saying the Knicks would have been a first round nightmare last year needs to understand that assessment was made with a healthy roster. The Knicks lost Shump in game one, Baron soon after, Amare soon after. Gauging from game 4 which the knicks won, if healthy they would have given the Heat a decent challenge. Downplaying the roster with bad humor from old Knicks rosters is childish and shortsighted.

It has nothing to do about results in this case. It's about this perception we aren't given enough credit when if paid close attention to we receive far more credit than we deserve and usually disappoint. Yes we weren't healthy the whole series but we were given credit of being a threat prior to the injury storm.

As far injuries go it's only an excuse that can be used so much. When the team had Lin and no Melo or Amar'e they went 8-1. Let's say the record during this stretch was closer to .500 because the games resulted in us coming up just short in a few. Guess what, you could take away a lot of pride in the way the team competed right?... but instead the past 2 post-seasons when suffering injuries we haven't been competitive.

You know like when the Suns didn't have Amar'e for a whole post-season and went to the WCF

You know like when the Boston Celtics missed Garnett for a whole post-season and the Celtics came within 1 game of reaching the ECF

You know like when the Lakers didn't have Bynum for a whole post-season but went to the Finals

You know like when the Memphis Grizzlies missed Rudy Gay for a whole post-season and beat the Spurs in the playoffs

You know like when the Bulls missed Derrick Rose for half the season and finished with the best record in the NBA

You know like when the Rockets had T-Mac and Yao down practically simultaneously and set an NBA record for most wins in a row

You know like when the Hawks missed Al Horford for the whole season and grabbed a 5th seed

Don't pick and choose when the injury excuse fits and when it doesn't because if it's Melo vs Lin then injuries were being taken out of context but if it's about post-season failure then injuries meant everything.

Maybe the correct comparison is between the Linsanity run and Melo's amazing April to finish off the season and get the Knicks into the playoffs. Mr. Knickshot has pointed out on many occasions the record of the teams the Knicks beat during the Linsanity run. The playoffs are a totally different game. You could make the argument that things get amped up in April with teams trying to make the playoffs or get home court. I don't think posting the numbers Melo put up in the playoffs against the world champs is fair. Especially when you factor in imjuries. No Lin, violently ill Tyson, lost Shump and Davis, hobbled Jeffries, and a messed up Amare.

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:The person mentioning Magic Johnson and Jon Barry saying the Knicks would have been a first round nightmare last year needs to understand that assessment was made with a healthy roster. The Knicks lost Shump in game one, Baron soon after, Amare soon after. Gauging from game 4 which the knicks won, if healthy they would have given the Heat a decent challenge. Downplaying the roster with bad humor from old Knicks rosters is childish and shortsighted.

It has nothing to do about results in this case. It's about this perception we aren't given enough credit when if paid close attention to we receive far more credit than we deserve and usually disappoint. Yes we weren't healthy the whole series but we were given credit of being a threat prior to the injury storm.

As far injuries go it's only an excuse that can be used so much. When the team had Lin and no Melo or Amar'e they went 8-1. Let's say the record during this stretch was closer to .500 because the games resulted in us coming up just short in a few. Guess what, you could take away a lot of pride in the way the team competed right?... but instead the past 2 post-seasons when suffering injuries we haven't been competitive.

You know like when the Suns didn't have Amar'e for a whole post-season and went to the WCF

You know like when the Boston Celtics missed Garnett for a whole post-season and the Celtics came within 1 game of reaching the ECF

You know like when the Lakers didn't have Bynum for a whole post-season but went to the Finals

You know like when the Memphis Grizzlies missed Rudy Gay for a whole post-season and beat the Spurs in the playoffs

You know like when the Bulls missed Derrick Rose for half the season and finished with the best record in the NBA

You know like when the Rockets had T-Mac and Yao down practically simultaneously and set an NBA record for most wins in a row

You know like when the Hawks missed Al Horford for the whole season and grabbed a 5th seed

Don't pick and choose when the injury excuse fits and when it doesn't because if it's Melo vs Lin then injuries were being taken out of context but if it's about post-season failure then injuries meant everything.

So which of those teams had 4 starters sick or injured in the first round and still moved on to the next round??...You are also fond of pointing out Melo's short comings in the playoffs...He average 27.8 pts 8.2 boards, 2.2 assist, and 1.2 stls against the Heat last year in the first round...Against Boston, it was 26 pts, 10.3 reb, 4.8 assist, 0.8 blks, 1.3 stls....What else can one guy do???...Maybe clean out the locker rooms and polish the Garden floor too...Enlighten me...

Melo is absolved from blame to a degree when it comes to "team competitiveness" factoring injuries. But much like when Lin supporters point out his overall numbers Lin naysayers hen pecked his bad performances so guess what let me do the same here

In Melo's 9 playoff games as a Knick are you ready the numbers are what they say they are.... here we go

2011-2012 Playoffs

Game 1 3-15fg that's PURE TRASH

Game 3 7-23 that's PURE TRASH

2010-2011 Playoffs

Game 1 5-18fg that's PURE TRASH

Game 3 4-16fg that's PURE TRASH

Game 4 10-24fg that's PURE CHUCK

As you can see it's not sustainable with Melo like fans say Lin's play wasn't sustainable. Melo is a hella streaky performer maybe the best STREAKER in the NBA. He needs to become a more fluid player who has moments of greatness not 2-3gms of greatness mixed with mediocre to garbage performances allowing him seasons of free passes.

It's not always a good thing henpecking is it?

I'm not sure how this argument properly rebuts an argument questioning your assessment of a team's ability to persevere through out the playoffs with one starter going down versus 4 starters going down...Also, I'm not sure how Lin once again managed to wiggle his way into this particular discussion and not addressing the question at hand, but I did put up Melo's entire stats for the last two years as a Knick...It also is curious that Lin supporters always talk about the 9 games during Linsanity...He did play a personal best of 35 games last season...Really, that dude is in my rare view mirror..I wish him the best in his preferred destination...I can't wait to see what this season will be with Woody bringing back real Knick basketball...Defense first, defense last, defense all the time...