Nalod wrote:

arkrud wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

arkrud wrote:This team reminds me Rangers teams with Bure, Jagr, and bunch of vets.
They get it done once with Messie and The Grate One but then they suck badly for 15 years.
Knicks can make some noise but in 2 years this team will suck badly.

If the Knicks make it (win a chip), I would be happy for the next decade regardless of our situation (good or bad), unfortunately while our core is good, I seriously doubt that it’s any better than the TOP 4 teams in the NBA today.

Chip is great but I prefer to see solid product on the court for long time.
The team I can be proud of. Organization which cares about the fans and the game.
The last time I saw this kind of Knicks team in 1998... long time and counting...

I'll take a starphuch moment and hoist a banner with Mercenary players but its not the same as a LONG run of a team coming together and maturing into an NBA contender. That does not always yield a championship but when it does it galvanizes the fans who were on the bandwagon early into life long fans. This is the legacy team of the 1968 and they needed two years to fulfil the destiny. Three seaons of some hard luck and battles against some great teams they were able to hoist another championship banner.
In in 1974 they lost in the conf finals which marked the end of a great 7 year run.

The team was mix of trades and draft picks. Free agency has changed the complextion of modern sports forever but it does take away from continueity. While we can argue the Melo deal forever until his tenure as knick is complete it is usually common those who were not in favor of it to be having a good time following our young team who had a free agent infusion of Amare and Felton to a young core and it was a pretty good team. We can also all agree that was not a contending team but more picks, trades, cap space could have evolved it over time and kept them at a high sustainable level. This is how the better teams do it.

I suppose we have a short window as Dolan retooled this team to meet the N*t invasion this year. I guess we all fear without a lot of youth or picks our window can be short and the post Amare/Tyson/Melo contracts has good cap space to spend on but not so many organic assets coming thru the system.

We'll deal with that in the future...........

that is what I wanted nalod, as a fan, seeing that kind of process, that kind of building, watching the young guys develop, watching guys like amare prove that he can lead is what made it fun to be a fan again.... that process was ripped to pieces at the whim of a foolish owner.. that is something that I really can't come to terms with yet, if ever.... simply because moves like this seem to happen for this organization... always..

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think what the Knicks believe is that having committed only thru 3 years, this team will again be able to rebuild at the end of this run and that kind of freedom is a smart move. Who knows what young stars will be free at that point or the year after and the Knicks will be a player once again in the free agent market. You don't have to like the idea of buying talent, but this is NY and they need players who have box office appeal. The draft is such an iffy prospect that you can't rely on that to find your superstars. You want to draft well, but also sign well too.

We will have at a minimum of Melo and Shumpert to build thru in 3 years, which i will be excited about. Hopefully Shumpert can continue to develop into an all-nba defender and all-star.

A 13 YEAR VET who can't defend and loves to shoot is not something I look forward to.. after his deal is up, if this team isn't playing elite level ball, I say ship him out while he may still have decent value..

I thought you liked players who love to shoot and don't play defense - A--RE?

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think what the Knicks believe is that having committed only thru 3 years, this team will again be able to rebuild at the end of this run and that kind of freedom is a smart move. Who knows what young stars will be free at that point or the year after and the Knicks will be a player once again in the free agent market. You don't have to like the idea of buying talent, but this is NY and they need players who have box office appeal. The draft is such an iffy prospect that you can't rely on that to find your superstars. You want to draft well, but also sign well too.

We will have at a minimum of Melo and Shumpert to build thru in 3 years, which i will be excited about. Hopefully Shumpert can continue to develop into an all-nba defender and all-star.

A 13 YEAR VET who can't defend and loves to shoot is not something I look forward to.. after his deal is up, if this team isn't playing elite level ball, I say ship him out while he may still have decent value..

I think Melo's career will settle in similar to Paul Pierce. He has become an average defender and will develop into above average. He's one of the best scorers in the league, one of the most clutch players, and the best player along with Ewing we have had since the 70s. I will stick with him and find the right pieces to add just like Boston did.

KnicksFE wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think what the Knicks believe is that having committed only thru 3 years, this team will again be able to rebuild at the end of this run and that kind of freedom is a smart move. Who knows what young stars will be free at that point or the year after and the Knicks will be a player once again in the free agent market. You don't have to like the idea of buying talent, but this is NY and they need players who have box office appeal. The draft is such an iffy prospect that you can't rely on that to find your superstars. You want to draft well, but also sign well too.

We will have at a minimum of Melo and Shumpert to build thru in 3 years, which i will be excited about. Hopefully Shumpert can continue to develop into an all-nba defender and all-star.

A 13 YEAR VET who can't defend and loves to shoot is not something I look forward to.. after his deal is up, if this team isn't playing elite level ball, I say ship him out while he may still have decent value..

I think Melo's career will settle in similar to Paul Pierce. He has become an average defender and will develop into above average. He's one of the best scorers in the league, one of the most clutch players, and the best player along with Ewing we have had since the 70s. I will stick with him and find the right pieces to add just like Boston did.

Boston was able to get Garnet and Ray Allen because they had young players, a lottery pick (5th) and a bunch of first round picks available to get those hall of famers. Plus they already had a core of Pierce, a young Perkins and a young Rondo in placed.
As far as the Knicks, three years from now they will have Carmelo, hopefully Shumpert and some salary cap, definitely not enough to build a contender like Boston.
The Knicks goal in the next couple of years should be to find diamond in the rough players (Jeremy Lin) and improve the little assets they currently have so they can execute future trades.

Everything Dolan is touching turns to sht... diamonds or gold... everything.