Jason Kidd was medicore last year. We gave him a 3 year deal (3MM)in the last year, Camby the same for (3MM) Novak was barely a rotation player until last year he got 4 years at (4MM) per. Chances are Camby and Kidd are going to be non factors in year 3 of their deals which is where Lin's additional 6MM and the smear campaign took place.

Can't trust the propoganda machine.

knicks1248 wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.

don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.

That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one

how do you know what someones worth 3 years from now..I'm still scratching my head on that one

Further I read the average price of a pg is like 7 million a year for a decent one. So, we would be getting the best pg we had in years at more than a 4 million dollar discount those first 2 years (Lin isn't average) and then essentially a balloon payment that last year.

We just couldn't trade him that first year. He would have been very tradeable that 2nd or 3rd year. As others have said it was personal. And we are likely to pay by not winning a championship. We really needed him as our 2nd or 3rd scorer in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, we are going to have a great team during the regular season, but come the playoffs I say we will miss him lots. He was just starting to come on, young guy.

Nupe - What what if's in the above post? We are depending heavily on some 38 and 39 year old guys this year, and don't forget 35 year old Pablo. We are going to have a couple of 40 year old guys on our team in 2 years - if their bodies last. This is insane. We are not likely to hear the end of things until we either win a championship or Lin crashes and burns. I really doubt the latter happens, rather he probably explodes further. The former, I think this team as it stands now is not likely to win it all. We blew it, pure and simple. We had the best pg we had had in years handed to us and we, rather Dolan, just let him walk. It is like a great baseball team having a chance at a World Series and then they let their 2nd or 3rd best pitcher walk for nothing. It just don't make sense if money isn't an issue, but winning is. We now are depending on Felton to try to keep up what he couldn't when he was here. Felton is not HALF the passer Lin is, nor can he score in as many ways.

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.

don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.

That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one

how do you know what someones worth 3 years from now..I'm still scratching my head on that one

Well put. Plus, as long as Lin is healthy, he'd have been a great bargain for the first two years of the deal. Year 3 he'd have a large expiring contract.

That's IF, his body can stand the rigors of a full NBA season.....

Anytime you start including personal feelings in a business decision, you lose..

It's like giving a f relative a job becuase there nice and in need but can't do the job to save there lives..

where over the cap in yr 3 regardless. You make back every dime your paying lin (including taxes) in yr one..

How do the Knicks make back every dime that they pay Lin plus the huge financial penalties they receive in year three if they keep him through year 3 in the first year of Lin's new contract? I am assuming you are implying that Lin makes the Knicks that money. Also, keeping Lin would be a personal feelings move in my opinion. Based on the new cba letting him go would be a business decision.

gunsnewing wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Reason is because it was personal, not business

+10000000000000000000

and you know this how...because it was in the papers? Unless you heard it from Dolan or, your a mind reader, you don't know what your talking about. Like I said before, lots of telepaths posting here.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.

don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.

That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one

how do you know what someones worth 3 years from now..I'm still scratching my head on that one

Well put. Plus, as long as Lin is healthy, he'd have been a great bargain for the first two years of the deal. Year 3 he'd have a large expiring contract.

That's IF, his body can stand the rigors of a full NBA season.....

Anytime you start including personal feelings in a business decision, you lose..

It's like giving a f relative a job becuase there nice and in need but can't do the job to save there lives..

where over the cap in yr 3 regardless. You make back every dime your paying lin (including taxes) in yr one..

How do the Knicks make back every dime that they pay Lin plus the huge financial penalties they receive in year three if they keep him through year 3 in the first year of Lin's new contract? I am assuming you are implying that Lin makes the Knicks that money. Also, keeping Lin would be a personal feelings move in my opinion. Based on the new cba letting him go would be a business decision.

There was an article a couple of months ago that estimated Lin brought MSG 10-20 million extra last season. Those numbers may be up for debate but it was pretty much agreed upon that he brought a lot of money in. I don't think the same can be said for Stat, who makes much much more. Also, Lin was the number 2 selling Jersey or the like. He is only going to get better.

Another point, we shouldn't look at the luxury tax as being all on Lin. It's on the team as a whole. The point many of us are making, however indirectly, is that he alone would more than likely end up covering it all (taking the next two years as well as last year into the equation.)

Keeping Lin a personal feeling move? He is the best pg we have had in I can't remember how long. Probably a future all star based on his popularity (that also helps the Knicks). Everything about watching that Kid play screamed "keep me" but Dolan let him walk, or rather wanted him to. The writing was on the wall leading up to and after the walking. Terrible and personal move.

earthmansurfer wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Reason is because it was personal, not business

+10000000000000000000

and you know this how...because it was in the papers? Unless you heard it from Dolan or, your a mind reader, you don't know what your talking about. Like I said before, lots of telepaths posting here.

The top financial analysts were mostly stating that Dolan should NOT sign him but he would probably not have the discipline to refrain.

I don't buy it. Lin more than paid for the next two years of his contract already, last year. The kid was a cash cow. This has personal written all over it. To put all the blame on the 3rd year of his contract is ridiculous, especially considering all the expirings we will have then.

conspiracy theorists will never be satisfied. Most just want a reason to bitch and moan. Dude is gone already, will be be talking about this 6months from now. The buthurt should have worn off by now

earthmansurfer wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Reason is because it was personal, not business

+10000000000000000000

and you know this how...because it was in the papers? Unless you heard it from Dolan or, your a mind reader, you don't know what your talking about. Like I said before, lots of telepaths posting here.

The top financial analysts were mostly stating that Dolan should NOT sign him but he would probably not have the discipline to refrain.

I don't buy it. Lin more than paid for the next two years of his contract already, last year. The kid was a cash cow. This has personal written all over it. To put all the blame on the 3rd year of his contract is ridiculous, especially considering all the expirings we will have then.

Please tell me how much money Lin earned for MSG last year and how much he would earn the next three years. I would like specifics. People were crying about how the MSG stock price dove after Lin was not resigned but conveniently ignore the fact that the MSG price was recently at an all time high of some sort WITHOUT Lin. I like Lin and would have loved to keep him but at the end of the day I am not mad because the Knicks decided not to overpay Lin.

The fact that you have people claiming Lin is a better player than Melo and Amar'e is absurd. Melo was player of the month in April or May and was easily far better than Lin during the apex of Linsanity but NO ONE wants to talk about that. Amar'e, based on his career and first year in NY, is better than Lin NOW. FACT! Yet you have people crying Trade Amar'e and OVERPAY Lin. REALLY?!?!?!

The Knicks played like 15 of their last games, to end the recent season, without Lin and won the vast majority of them (primarily against good playoff bound teams). NO ONE ever talks about that.

Lin played little D and was turnover prone. NO ONE wants to talk about that.

Lin also took a large volume of shots and dominated the ball under Dantoni BUT NO ONE wants to call Lin a black-hole. How convenient.

Like I said, I do like Lin and think he could be a good player. However, you people act like the Knicks let CP3, Deron or Nash walk for FREE and it's ridiculous. I have even seen people here complain about the Knick's not matching Landry Fields. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

earthmansurfer wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.

don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.

That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one

how do you know what someones worth 3 years from now..I'm still scratching my head on that one

Well put. Plus, as long as Lin is healthy, he'd have been a great bargain for the first two years of the deal. Year 3 he'd have a large expiring contract.

That's IF, his body can stand the rigors of a full NBA season.....

Anytime you start including personal feelings in a business decision, you lose..

It's like giving a f relative a job becuase there nice and in need but can't do the job to save there lives..

where over the cap in yr 3 regardless. You make back every dime your paying lin (including taxes) in yr one..

How do the Knicks make back every dime that they pay Lin plus the huge financial penalties they receive in year three if they keep him through year 3 in the first year of Lin's new contract? I am assuming you are implying that Lin makes the Knicks that money. Also, keeping Lin would be a personal feelings move in my opinion. Based on the new cba letting him go would be a business decision.

There was an article a couple of months ago that estimated Lin brought MSG 10-20 million extra last season. Those numbers may be up for debate but it was pretty much agreed upon that he brought a lot of money in. I don't think the same can be said for Stat, who makes much much more. Also, Lin was the number 2 selling Jersey or the like. He is only going to get better.

Another point, we shouldn't look at the luxury tax as being all on Lin. It's on the team as a whole. The point many of us are making, however indirectly, is that he alone would more than likely end up covering it all (taking the next two years as well as last year into the equation.)

Keeping Lin a personal feeling move? He is the best pg we have had in I can't remember how long. Probably a future all star based on his popularity (that also helps the Knicks). Everything about watching that Kid play screamed "keep me" but Dolan let him walk, or rather wanted him to. The writing was on the wall leading up to and after the walking. Terrible and personal move.

The Knicks are allowed to surpass the soft cap, but it'll cost them. Considering 2014 will be the Knicks' third straight year over the cap, they'll come in for the highest tax rate allowed in the new CBA. Take a look at the "repeat offender" taxes:
The first $5M of Lin's deal, as long as it's all over the cap, would cost the Knicks at a 2.5-to-1 ratio. So that's $5M for Lin, $12.5M in luxury tax, $17.5M all told.
The next $5M would be taxed at 2.75-to-1. So, $18.75M in total.
The final $4.8M, at a 3.5-to-1 tax, would cost $21.6M by itself.

All told, that's $57.85 million for one year of Jeremy Lin—$43 million of that in pure luxury tax payments. (This is exactly how the salary cap and luxury tax are supposed to work. Want to lock up three players to max deals? Don't expect any flexibility in signing the rest of a team.)

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Reason is because it was personal, not business

+10000000000000000000

and you know this how...because it was in the papers? Unless you heard it from Dolan or, your a mind reader, you don't know what your talking about. Like I said before, lots of telepaths posting here.

because people are judge on there past not there future (in most cases) they said they would match and they had every intentions on doing that until it became personal...

My agent tells me that the knicks are big on me and I believe they'll match anything. my agent calls the rockets and tells them, hey if your serious about retaining my client, you may have to up the $ cause your wasting your ink with that contract thats going to be match in the blink of an eye, I figure if you add a few more $ you will atleast have them 2nd guessing themselves..

The rockets lose nothing cause they can waive him in the 3rd year, trade him, or if he plays upto the potential, they have a franchise player..

it was a business move on the rockets part, and a personal decision on the knicks part..

why would the knicks commit to 3 pgs before committing to lin ?

Because they weren't going cost close to 50 mil dollars for a guy who broke down after 25 games...

I don't know about that..The guy goes from not playing at all to playing close to 40 mins 5 times a wk..with almost no rest in between time, no adjustment period..

MDA PGs during his knick tenure where breaking down after 3/4 months regardless..

fields was the only player to play 66 games on the knicks roster last season..