CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Ball movement isn't MDA's system, it's everyone's system...Every coach wants to move the ball including Woodson...LB preached it when he was here...The fact is, most our starters got hurt at the end of the season and in the playoffs, so relying on Melo became a necessity...So now the coach is painted as an isolationist...The key to the Knicks competing will be Felton and Amare getting back to their play of two years ago and integration Melo's skills...I'm sure that's the reason Felton is here and why Kidd is here...That with some tough defense....I can't wait...

Woody got his nickname of "Iso Joe" because his lack offensive variety or creativity! We haven't just made up this stuff. Also as we saw in the playoffs Woody didn't really show much creativity. IMO there's a reason he has his rep.

Felton benefitted from playing in MDA's system which is PG centric. Woody's offense was never PG centric but more like the old Piston offense where the PG stays up top and they run curls and cuts and look to feed the post. It's not a PnR heavy offense. This is Woody's chance to show his own growth as a coach. I'm sure spending time under MDA did open his eyes to other options but he has his own preferences that fit his philosophy and so I expect we'll see him return to the style he's most comfortable coaching.

Glen knows what Woody wants to do, which is why he brought in Felton, Kidd and Priggy.

I disagree. Pablo and Kidd were brought in to mentor Lin. Grunwald brought Woodson in because he knew what he had in mike, knew the d had to improve, and that after struggling for 3 years if mike wasn't working out he had his guy in place. Woodson wasn't asked to bring in an offensive assistant. Let's give him a training camp before assuming he needs players to help him because he is so inept offensively.

Lin was never in plans. And MSG is not some kind of youth farm. We do not need "mentors". Our playesr already know what to do.
And Woody also knows what to do. He should do whatever Jimmy likes to do. And he will be cool in this role, he knows the business.

I think Woodson has the job because he won at a high rate and was able to salvage the season. Lin was definitely in the plans. The only question is was his not being resigned business or personal. There is a lot of info in regards to the new cba that indicates it might have been the right business move.

I think Woodson has the job because he fired his agent at Dolan's request and Dolan could never have handled having a personality like Phil Jackson be the center of attention.

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Ball movement isn't MDA's system, it's everyone's system...Every coach wants to move the ball including Woodson...LB preached it when he was here...The fact is, most our starters got hurt at the end of the season and in the playoffs, so relying on Melo became a necessity...So now the coach is painted as an isolationist...The key to the Knicks competing will be Felton and Amare getting back to their play of two years ago and integration Melo's skills...I'm sure that's the reason Felton is here and why Kidd is here...That with some tough defense....I can't wait...

Woody got his nickname of "Iso Joe" because his lack offensive variety or creativity! We haven't just made up this stuff. Also as we saw in the playoffs Woody didn't really show much creativity. IMO there's a reason he has his rep.

Felton benefitted from playing in MDA's system which is PG centric. Woody's offense was never PG centric but more like the old Piston offense where the PG stays up top and they run curls and cuts and look to feed the post. It's not a PnR heavy offense. This is Woody's chance to show his own growth as a coach. I'm sure spending time under MDA did open his eyes to other options but he has his own preferences that fit his philosophy and so I expect we'll see him return to the style he's most comfortable coaching.

Glen knows what Woody wants to do, which is why he brought in Felton, Kidd and Priggy.

I disagree. Pablo and Kidd were brought in to mentor Lin. Grunwald brought Woodson in because he knew what he had in mike, knew the d had to improve, and that after struggling for 3 years if mike wasn't working out he had his guy in place. Woodson wasn't asked to bring in an offensive assistant. Let's give him a training camp before assuming he needs players to help him because he is so inept offensively.

Lin was never in plans. And MSG is not some kind of youth farm. We do not need "mentors". Our playesr already know what to do.
And Woody also knows what to do. He should do whatever Jimmy likes to do. And he will be cool in this role, he knows the business.

I think Woodson has the job because he won at a high rate and was able to salvage the season. Lin was definitely in the plans. The only question is was his not being resigned business or personal. There is a lot of info in regards to the new cba that indicates it might have been the right business move.

I think Woodson has the job because he fired his agent at Dolan's request and Dolan could never have handled having a personality like Phil Jackson be the center of attention.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Ball movement isn't MDA's system, it's everyone's system...Every coach wants to move the ball including Woodson...LB preached it when he was here...The fact is, most our starters got hurt at the end of the season and in the playoffs, so relying on Melo became a necessity...So now the coach is painted as an isolationist...The key to the Knicks competing will be Felton and Amare getting back to their play of two years ago and integration Melo's skills...I'm sure that's the reason Felton is here and why Kidd is here...That with some tough defense....I can't wait...

Woody got his nickname of "Iso Joe" because his lack offensive variety or creativity! We haven't just made up this stuff. Also as we saw in the playoffs Woody didn't really show much creativity. IMO there's a reason he has his rep.

Felton benefitted from playing in MDA's system which is PG centric. Woody's offense was never PG centric but more like the old Piston offense where the PG stays up top and they run curls and cuts and look to feed the post. It's not a PnR heavy offense. This is Woody's chance to show his own growth as a coach. I'm sure spending time under MDA did open his eyes to other options but he has his own preferences that fit his philosophy and so I expect we'll see him return to the style he's most comfortable coaching.

Glen knows what Woody wants to do, which is why he brought in Felton, Kidd and Priggy.

I disagree. Pablo and Kidd were brought in to mentor Lin. Grunwald brought Woodson in because he knew what he had in mike, knew the d had to improve, and that after struggling for 3 years if mike wasn't working out he had his guy in place. Woodson wasn't asked to bring in an offensive assistant. Let's give him a training camp before assuming he needs players to help him because he is so inept offensively.

You can't be serious about Prigioni being brought in to mentor Lin. I thought the Kidd signing was mostly about getting a vet backup and the mentor part was really just a side benefit. Let's not make it sound like Kidd is a trained PG coach or something. No matter how much mentoring Kidd did, if Lin was here it would still be on Lin to actually get it done on the court. Besides Lin had PLENTY of older PG's around him last year. MDA, Woody, Baron and Bibby. Not to mention Atkinson in his ear. If all it took was someone talking to you TD would be an All Star. Kidd's real value will be in the half court when the game gets slow.

Look the real truth is that Glen is best buds with Woody and they go WAY BACK!!! Also best buds with Isiah who's still in Dolan's ear. They all came up with the idea of Woody as an assistant to MDA. They figured Woody was gonna end up getting the job anyway. How do you start a season with a coach who lives off having a capable PG and leave him with TD to start the season? That was a bad job by Glen. Woody had the hookup with his buddy Glen from the get go. It's not like teams were beating down Woody's door when he got let go. Woody just got the Isiah, Glen n Dolan hook up!!!

As for the D improving that really wasn't all about Woody. The real improvement came from Glen getting Tyson and MDA picking Shump when Donnie left it up to him. MDA wanting Jared back so they could have more D off the bench. Woody wasn't allowed to change the D, that was MDA's defense and he said as much before the season started that they'd be using MDA's system. People seem to think Woody is some defensive guru, but he's not. He may emphasize D a bit more as a coach, but the concepts are almost exactly the same as the ones MDA used. The greatest improvement came with adding real defensive talent. Without Tyson there is no improved D.

Woodson hasn't done anything revolutionary. He has put the ball back in the hands of his best scorers and therefore is getting a much better effort defensively. He is also talking accountability and it sounds good but as Hawks fan during his tenure here its not something I remember seeing on a daily basis.

It sounds good in theory but I remember Woodson complaining about Josh Smith jump shots much more than I do him doing something about Josh taking them. I also remember him developing a switching defensive philosophy to help cover up what amounted to a revolving door defensively at the point guard position.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2012/3/30/2913429/mike-woodson-makes-first-return-to-atlanta-as-head-coach-of-the-knicks

As for offense, Woody is just not a respected guy when it comes to offense and that's well earned. If Melo doesn't go Nuclear in April who knows what happens. Woody got lucky that that happened. If Melo continues to shoot as poorly as he did all year prior to that, he's not the beloved new coach of the Knicks. We'll see if Woody can get these guys flowing on offense. I think he's got some good pieces but they didn't give him enough perimeter shooting. Still if they play more grind it out halfcourt style and use TO's to create a lot more easy buckets this team has a chance to really win big.

All Woodson did was win and save the season. To suggest that a third string point is being brought in because the coach doesn't know offense is ridiculous. Right back at you with' You can't be seriouss. I think Grunwald is a class act. I think he inherited a roster that was partially built to be gimmicky and play D'Antoni ball. I think he is more traditional and when he had the chance amnestied Chauncey and got Tyson. I agree that Grunwald wasn't building a coach specific roster. I don't know if Woodson was the first choice for the defensive assistant job. My understanding at the time was that it was Lawerence Frank first and that Woodson was a second choice. Whatever. Grunwald knows what he is doing. He had an able replacement in house in case Mike couldn't make it work and my guess was he thought that this was at least a possibility. Salvaging the season, not losing back to back games or going on long losing streaks was very refreshing. The cerebral offense that lost a ton of games, almost saw the knicks out of the playoffs again with a lottery pick going to Houston is not one that I am personally fond of. Keep trying to spin it but the Knicks lost a ton of games under your guy and when he left they started winning. As a fan more than anything that is what I want. I spent three years hearing about ifs and buts. Now I hear about accountability, guys working on their games and expectations from the coach. Previously it was all about guys are professionals and the coach respects and treats them that way. That amounted to a whole lot of losing and not a lot of development. Sorry but you can't spin what already happened.

Mray20 wrote:I love Novak but he got shut down by the Heat in the playoffs because he was one dimensional and they just wouldn't leave him open, that being said Woody needs to run some plays for him running of screens to get open like Ray Allen and Novak has to put the ball on the floor just a little for some mid range shots . Can't wait for this up coming season the Knicks have a complete roster for the first time since I can remember.

It seem like he has a tough time shooting while moving...He is more of a stand still shooter...We gave him a 4 year deal, I find that interesting..

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:With the Lin thing in the past, i am very excited about Felton. I didn't watch him at all last season, so i just picture him as a Knick. I think he can get his game back in that direction.

When Felton was in shape he had good speed and could get to the basket. If he's truly committed to his conditioning there's no reason he can't be really good this season. The 17/9 he put up was real!!! He doesn't even have to get those numbers now, just be efficient and make solid passes. If his D improves along with being in shape we'll be in great position to win big.

Just think, he's got Melo and Tyson now along with Amar'e. That's a major upgrade from what he had last time!

As long as woody doesn't make the game predictable with too many post plays and ISO's..

I think Kidd is more important then Felton, he's the one that will be playing more with Novak and JR..

he had no choice with depleted roster we had.

I love Phil Jax but what he wanted cannot be obtained in the MSG structure. Look it up, there were more than one opinion on this from people whose job it is to report on such things..

It has been reported that DOlan got pissy and felt "betrayed" by Lin. Look it up, its all out there.

As far as Telepathic posters, you should consider the how many of the "Lovers" take it upon themselves to get worked up on how great things can be because of who is in shape and who is working out with whom.

Don't think other teams are going to benefit from a full camp? Players being in shape? Rookies additions? Acquisitions? Players working out with each other. There is an assumption other teams stay stagnant from last season but Knicks will get better? Some teams get better, some worse.

On paper we should be a 50+ winning team but our divison got tougher. Philly got better as did Washington. I keep reading everywhere the Nets are a good team but homers keep saying "nets suck". In any evaluation they are better and most likely a .500 team or better. Wizards now have Nene and Okafor they can start up front with Reezy. Not better than us on paper but if John Wall grows up they on paper are not door mats any more. Only Toronto looks not improved but maybe DJ can chime in and tell me otherwise.

IM glad our guys are working out but so are dozens of guys in the league.

And for Dolan's head? Its not just one beat writer who puts this stuff out. These guys are not always right but they are close to MSG and usually have been pretty accurate when it comes to matters regarding Dolan.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:If you read as much as many of us have over the years you do get some media "opinions" that Dolan makes these kind of moves. He fired CHecketts who made MSG into the modern entertainment monolith for reasons not having to do with money or performance. Look it up for yourself.

I love Phil Jax but what he wanted cannot be obtained in the MSG structure. Look it up, there were more than one opinion on this from people whose job it is to report on such things..

It has been reported that DOlan got pissy and felt "betrayed" by Lin. Look it up, its all out there.

As far as Telepathic posters, you should consider the how many of the "Lovers" take it upon themselves to get worked up on how great things can be because of who is in shape and who is working out with whom.

Don't think other teams are going to benefit from a full camp? Players being in shape? Rookies additions? Acquisitions? Players working out with each other. There is an assumption other teams stay stagnant from last season but Knicks will get better? Some teams get better, some worse.

On paper we should be a 50+ winning team but our divison got tougher. Philly got better as did Washington. I keep reading everywhere the Nets are a good team but homers keep saying "nets suck". In any evaluation they are better and most likely a .500 team or better. Wizards now have Nene and Okafor they can start up front with Reezy. Not better than us on paper but if John Wall grows up they on paper are not door mats any more. Only Toronto looks not improved but maybe DJ can chime in and tell me otherwise.

IM glad our guys are working out but so are dozens of guys in the league.

And for Dolan's head? Its not just one beat writer who puts this stuff out. These guys are not always right but they are close to MSG and usually have been pretty accurate when it comes to matters regarding Dolan.

Durzo is right though. How would these writers and reporters know? It's not like Dolan tells the media what he's thinking or what his opinions are. Everything with him involving the media is prepared statements. Stop chiming in with your anti Dolan bias man.

Just look at the results. They speak for themselves.

How is it made up he tried to bring back Isiah? Knocked Donnie down and got him Melo? No press conference to praise and announce Grunny's promotion?

Team never released a statement about Lin.

Grunny is never pictued with new players. Always the Little man with the Chicklet cap teeth taking the stage.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:If you read as much as many of us have over the years you do get some media "opinions" that Dolan makes these kind of moves. He fired CHecketts who made MSG into the modern entertainment monolith for reasons not having to do with money or performance. Look it up for yourself.

I love Phil Jax but what he wanted cannot be obtained in the MSG structure. Look it up, there were more than one opinion on this from people whose job it is to report on such things..

It has been reported that DOlan got pissy and felt "betrayed" by Lin. Look it up, its all out there.

As far as Telepathic posters, you should consider the how many of the "Lovers" take it upon themselves to get worked up on how great things can be because of who is in shape and who is working out with whom.

Don't think other teams are going to benefit from a full camp? Players being in shape? Rookies additions? Acquisitions? Players working out with each other. There is an assumption other teams stay stagnant from last season but Knicks will get better? Some teams get better, some worse.

On paper we should be a 50+ winning team but our divison got tougher. Philly got better as did Washington. I keep reading everywhere the Nets are a good team but homers keep saying "nets suck". In any evaluation they are better and most likely a .500 team or better. Wizards now have Nene and Okafor they can start up front with Reezy. Not better than us on paper but if John Wall grows up they on paper are not door mats any more. Only Toronto looks not improved but maybe DJ can chime in and tell me otherwise.

IM glad our guys are working out but so are dozens of guys in the league.

And for Dolan's head? Its not just one beat writer who puts this stuff out. These guys are not always right but they are close to MSG and usually have been pretty accurate when it comes to matters regarding Dolan.

Durzo is right though. How would these writers and reporters know? It's not like Dolan tells the media what he's thinking or what his opinions are. Everything with him involving the media is prepared statements. Stop chiming in with your anti Dolan bias man.

Just look at the results. They speak for themselves.

How is it made up he tried to bring back Isiah? Knocked Donnie down and got him Melo? No press conference to praise and announce Grunny's promotion?

Team never released a statement about Lin.

Grunny is never pictued with new players. Always the Little man with the Chicklet cap teeth taking the stage.

I have no problem with that Unless he was being brought back in as a Coach or GM which, he was not. I wouldn't be opposed to him being a scout or consulting on draft choices. The guy was terrible in his tenure and had no eye for established talent but, IT could pick a gem in the draft.

The bit about Walsh is FALSE. He wanted Walsh for like 2/3 more years but, Donnie would only commit to one more year. This was out of Walsh's own mouth. As a result, they decided to part way. Dolan was looking for continuity and Donnie wouldn't commit. Where is the issue with that?