OjilEye wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NUPE wrote:

OjilEye wrote:Stoudemire has always been all talk. Talk talk talk.
We know he views himself as a superstar.
But he has never breached that threshold.

I'm in a let's-wait-and-see mentality regarding this new and defensively-improved STAT.

This is such a silly post. Amar'e totally beasted his first year in NY. He had a down year, "only" 18 and 8 last year. Almost every year prior to coming to NY Amar'e was absolutely AMAZING. This is not even disputable. So, I don't get or understand or agree with the assertion that Amar'e is all talk.

Also, people forget, but the second half of the season before he came here, he was playing out of his mind- writers were saying he was one of the best players in the league. Shame one sub par season seems to negate a whole career with some people.

I'm not saying STAT is a scrub. But he ain't no superstar. In his peak form, he is a one-way player, a powerful offensive threat who can finish off the PnR and shoot jumpers out from 20-feet. But he has NEver had a solid season defensively and his so-called "ball-handling improvements" from last year were laughable so don't give me that talk about negating his whole career. His highlight reel flourished under D'Antoni and Nash but this guy isn't getting any younger.

I think he knows that and that's why he's developing a few new moves..

Honestly, I'm giving Amare a pass for last season, there was just to many reasons (not excuses, there's a difference) for the let down...

OjilEye wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NUPE wrote:

OjilEye wrote:Stoudemire has always been all talk. Talk talk talk.
We know he views himself as a superstar.
But he has never breached that threshold.

I'm in a let's-wait-and-see mentality regarding this new and defensively-improved STAT.

This is such a silly post. Amar'e totally beasted his first year in NY. He had a down year, "only" 18 and 8 last year. Almost every year prior to coming to NY Amar'e was absolutely AMAZING. This is not even disputable. So, I don't get or understand or agree with the assertion that Amar'e is all talk.

Also, people forget, but the second half of the season before he came here, he was playing out of his mind- writers were saying he was one of the best players in the league. Shame one sub par season seems to negate a whole career with some people.

I'm not saying STAT is a scrub. But he ain't no superstar. In his peak form, he is a one-way player, a powerful offensive threat who can finish off the PnR and shoot jumpers out from 20-feet. But he has NEver had a solid season defensively and his so-called "ball-handling improvements" from last year were laughable so don't give me that talk about negating his whole career. His highlight reel flourished under D'Antoni and Nash but this guy isn't getting any younger.

Those 26pts and 9 rebounds years he wasn't a superstar??...There are many guys who only brought it on one end who are considered superstars...There was a few years in there where Amare was definitely considered a superstar...His game has fell off due to injury..but the first half 2010/11 season, he was a monster, defense for no defense, and I like defense...

nixluva wrote:The work Amar'e has put in with Hakeem is gonna make him unguardable. It was one thing when he only had a face up game and PnR, but now with some refined post moves and spin moves he's just gonna be a nightmare. He's gonna have so many options to go to whereas recently teams have had a book on him and took away some of what he liked to do. Now they really won't know what he's gonna do. That usually translates into All Star level play for guys with his kind of talent. Just watching him move in those videos you can see that he's learning from Hakeem and he's gonna get better from what we see in these videos.

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2012/08/22/20120822_hakeem_amare_workout.nba

I agree. A healthy amare is hard to handle for any defense. Add in a post up game and if healthy the guy should beast.

FoeDiddy wrote:That's crazy that after even a crappy year...Amare all-time is 29th in FG%..add to that he's not one of those big men who only dunks. He shoots a good amount of jumpers. How did Cedric Maxwell

http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_all_time_leaders/AllTimeLeadersFGPQuery.html?topic=4&stat=4

The real truth is that he's right at the top of the list when you factor in usage rate. A lot of guys are on the list but aren't the same level of Use in their teams offense as STAT. STAT has been one of the centerpieces of the offenses he's be involved in. STAT is a legit #2 option and with the Knicks in his 1st year he was the #1 option before the trade. When you consider how much teams tried to key in on him over the years and he still had such an efficient game, it's very impressive.

We absolutely NEED Amar'e to be great this year. I've felt for a while now, basically ever since the Melo trade and especially after adding Tyson, that we haven't gone to Amar'e enough. We've got to feed the beast. Melo option #1 and STAT option #1A.

gr33d wrote:Can someone post the footage of him working on defense and boxing out? Right...

We have Chandler to prevent players from scoring when they blow by Amare.

Never understood it when players don't box out....drives me insane but hopefully Amare can do it this year at least some of the time. Besides even with Amare's lack of D this team can still be a top defesive team but it would be nice for Amare to get some D going besides weak side blocks.

DurzoBlint wrote:

NUPE wrote:

OjilEye wrote:Stoudemire has always been all talk. Talk talk talk.
We know he views himself as a superstar.
But he has never breached that threshold.

I'm in a let's-wait-and-see mentality regarding this new and defensively-improved STAT.

This is such a silly post. Amar'e totally beasted his first year in NY. He had a down year, "only" 18 and 8 last year. Almost every year prior to coming to NY Amar'e was absolutely AMAZING. This is not even disputable. So, I don't get or understand or agree with the assertion that Amar'e is all talk.

Agreed. I can't remember Amare stating something and not backing it up in the past. So, until he does become "all talk" I will feel confident in him doing what he says he will.

I don't whats worse, the short memory of some so called fans or the appreciation of our players.

Last year he did say he feels "phenomenal"...I love the guy but...

I give him credit that he bounced back from a devistating personal loss.

I give him credit for losing the weight and coming back at the end of the season very strong.

I give him credit for playing after his stupid cut and having some good games.

The guy is not all talk. Im not saying his is the greatest ever but he does have a history of backing it up.