Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

) the deranged, inconsistent N*ts-loving Wrong Islander who secretly hates the very rock formations that MSG is standing on. Who believes every moron, ex-player, statistics web monkey and media hack that, despite their surface bile, have coherent, valid points about this suckhole franchise that has never done anything right since they let Tractor Traylor destroy the back of the gleaming ray of Eyetalian hope who was poised to provide us with basketball the way it should be. And everything that implies.

That was freaking great rant!

TO clarify my position:

I was a fan of the minor league NEW YORK NETS of the ABA. The 35 year residence in Jersey was a no brainer for me.

Dolan makes me sick to what assets he squandered to the potential of this franchise.

I was not a fan of the Denver Nuggets and Melo. Im coming around waiting for a "moment". Linsanity was a Moment. Amare's first half season with Felton and Gallo was a Moment! 6 games over .500 with a star and youth. Melo has had some nice games but the over all winning has not eclipsed what was here when MDA finally go this groove on with. Mozgov dropping 27 on (Hapless) detroit was a momnent. Relative obscure find comes of age and drops 27 in an NBA game is a Moment.

Im here, Im watching and I want the "Moment". At the same time I think the N*t to brooklyn thing is kind of cool and think who ever gives the city a championship first in the face of failure for the other is in trouble. Basically if the Knicks faulter and N*Ts win it all the landscape changes. Thats just logic. I don't N*ts are that good or the Knicks at all bad.

Give me my moment! Not a starphuch marketing campaign!

Just an opinion. I'll let everyone know when I change colors.

So wierd, you're all over the place Nalod. You're waiting for "moments", but comparing what Amare did in half a season with Yoots a "moment"? Weren't they 28-26 before Carmelo? You're comparing Timofey Mozgov dropping 27 against a terrible Detroit team a "moment"? I'll give you Linsanity, but everything else is kind of ridiculous. I guess Melo's 42 pt, 17 reb, 6 assist game against Boston in the playoffs wasn't a "moment". Melo's game winner vs Memphis last year, hardly a "moment". Melo on Xmas day opener against Boston, not a "moment" The whole month of April including the amazing 3 pters Melo hit in regulation and OT against Chicago are not big enough "moments". It's hard to take what you say seriously, when you're comparing a lucky Mozgov game against continued clutch performances by Melo.

First off they are my moments. Some tow the party line and drink the kool aid.

The team was 6 games above .500 and Chanlder was hurting and the young team was under the shroud of the MELODRAMA that was messing with its head. They went backwards that month.

The moment of Mozgov was a young unknown player given the starting job, then lost it, then got hurt then did a 27 pt game against an NBA team. Not an elite team, but still an NBA team. That was like a mini Rooski "Linsanity" for. Melos's 42 and 17 in a loss game was not a moment. It was a great game by a great player who suppose to have games like that. I don't blame Melo for that series or any of the knicks problems or short comings.

I thought PreMelo was a work in progress to add to with trades and draft picks later. Thats my take. We came off two bad years of cleaning house and we got Amare with a young core and it was 6 games over .500. Better than expected. The melo trades bring a higher ceiling and expectations that Im not sure he or the team can fulfil. And here we are with Felton again who I think would make a great off the bench player on a serious contending team. I LIke Felton a lot. With Lin I thought his ceiling would have been higher. Maybe not this year, but maybe inside of 3. Maybe he busts. Felton might be "safer" both financially and on the court but I just don't see him as a championship QB pg of this team. Maybe Dolan is more afraid of the N*ts and if the knicks falter then it really compromises the brand. He had to c*ckblock the Nets from getting Melo. I think we'd have been better with Deron and keeping assets (paid a lower price) to fill out the roster. But way too much has happend to retrace it all. Thats a long arguement that has been done. Its my take. Don't agree? Thats your or anyone elses take to have too. Someone asked me. Im not asking anyone to agree with me.

We got a great break with Amnesty and Dolan ability to pay BIllups and get Tyson which really has helped this team!!!!

without Tyson last year we don't make the playoffs do we? Without Amnesty we play Billups and most likely no Linsanity. We would have had cap space this summer for a free agent. Maybe we looking at Dwight, Amare, Deron as our Three. I doubt it but it could have been last seasons starphuch for last year at least. Soon we go into CP3 mode?

So back to point: Melo and Amare have to get it good for this to work. Oak said good stuff.

Amnesty was the key for last years team. WE caught a break. Sometimes thats all you need.

I'm not disputing anything Oakley said in the article. Just disputing alot of your views of what constitutes "moments" (obviously subjective to you). Like you said, better to be lucky than good sometimes. We caught a break with the Amnesty, Tyson, Linsanity, Birds rights, etc. I don't think Deron is better than Melo at all, he obviously doesn't make anyone on his own team better. He's a very good player, maybe top 2 or 3 PG, but he needs talent around him to win, evidenced by last season's bomb. Melo needs talent to win also, but as far as I know, his teams have always made the playoffs no matter what. The roster, as currently constructed, is made to benefit both Amare and Melo, so it really is make or break this season. Sometimes I agree with your views, most of the times, not. Why must you always bring in Dolan and the Nyets into every thread in some form? I know you're name in Nalod or Dolan spelled backwards, but what is the point of always hammering away your disdain for him? We get it you're nostalgic for the Nets, Long Island, ABA, yadda yadda. What does that have to do with Oakley commenting on this year's version of the Knicks?

Nalod wrote:First off I was responding to a great rant that bought it up.

So I was clarifying it.

Go back, check it out.

I enjoyed that team and said it was a work in progress that would have had further trades etc. If you read instead of jump to conclusions you'll see I am expressing my view and not trying to convince others. Im not arguing the trade.

Threads take turns in other ways so if you don't like the way this thread turned ignore it.

I said my opinions are subjective. If you don't agree either prove me wrong. You think Melo is a better player. Thats fine. He is. Deron came at a smaller cost to the N*ts so its relative. I can't even tell you why N*ts sucked last year other than BroPez was hurt for all but 5 games and Humphries was an idiotl. In fact only once did I ever mention players and that was contract related. I bring up the business side of it and its relative to the knicks.

Opinions are subjective. If my facts are wrong please jump in.

The rant was great! Yours just says "nalod annoys me". change the channel and I go away.

Thought I was jumping in on the factual side pointing out that we couldn't retain Chandler, would have to pay Gallo 10 mil and Felton's salary which wouldn't equate Melo...

He has bunch of Knicks East conf. title appearances and 1 NBA Knick final appearance
Oak has right to chat he and his teams was winners, they missed a bit on winning title
his teams won

That is how you judge
current Knicks got a ways to go to catch Ew/Oak/LJ teams and even more to go to ever catch the 70s
Knicks Frazier/Reed /Debusschere team

Oak speaks truth which hurts

IrishKnickFan wrote:I do think that Oak does make some faiir points. I think our defense is pretty much set for the most part. however we need to identify what we are offensively with melo and Amare. However I do feel that Oak is also very bitter because he had a falling out with the Knicks and cant get a job with them now

agree
good pt. Oak is bitter

but the post checketts, D_olan regime era has a clear clear Dis-respect for any of those winning Ewing
teams and teammates, Dolan era acts as if these guys dont exist most not offered jobs. H20 Allan was in
and never left getting some $$$mil payback to pay back working for Knicks

And only recently Knicks did something finally decent for a change is give Larry J. a holla and bring
him back into fold into Da' Garden.

H20, LJ and Johnny Starks isnt enough credit nor enuff employment for many Knicks whom done well during
those early 90s and y2K years of success.

I guess Ewing didn't make Starks better when he shot 2 for 14 in the 94 finals..

A good assesment would have been him saying something like, these guys need time together so they can get familiar with each other..You look at the players around them, if there shooting a high pct, but only getting a very few touches, then you can go there..But don't tell me those two stars don't make anyone better when there supporting cast is shooting 40% and avg 3 TO's