How the Lakers are able to build young solid cores, protect their assets, have great scouting reports and drafts and end up with guys like Magic, Worthy, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Artest, Gasol and walk away with 10 championships and now are able to acquire Dwight Howard and Steve Nash is beyond me!

Compared to how the knicks end up with ancient Camby and Jason Kidd? Through the years the Knicks have dished out a total of “369 million” dollars to Marbury, Jerome James, Eddie Curry, Allan Houston, Shandon Anderson, Jared Jeffries, Steve Francis and Zach Randolph! A group of men who didn’t even give you.500 seasons. I have to ask this question. In looking at the Los Angeles Lakers success of acquiring players ‘DOES THE KNICKS OWNERSHIP KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MANAGING MONEY, PATIENTLY PUTTING A YOUNG CORE OF PLAYERS TOGETHER AND SETTING THEMSELVES UP FOR BIG NAME ACQUISITIONS WHILE MAINTAINING IT’S ASSETS? Yeah yeah yeah, it's great you got melo, but did you have to sell the whole house for him?

- Hugh Dismuke, NY Post reader

Jerry to me historically has been under rated as he came from obscure Royals but the guy was an all american player and habitual allstar prior to his NY tenure. His rebounding, passing and the insane range he had made him really a great forward but Holzman's genius made for a magical season as he played big minutes while Willis tried to deal with his bad knees.

No doubt Lakers vs. the knicks have achieved great things with landmark names. Don't forget George Mikan!

First name legends "Wilt", "Kareem", "Shaq" and perhaps "Dwight". Each the best in their time!

We get "John" Gionelli, "Bob", "Marvin", "Bill". "Patrick", "Marcus", "Eddy", "David", and finally "Tyson"!

Do we have a lot of enemies or is it something else?

smackeddog wrote:What I find annoying about Lakers management vs Knicks management (apart from Dolan), is that while teams seem to bend over backwards to accommodate the Lakers (the Kobe trade, the Gasol trade, the Dwight trade), they seem to always try to c*** block us. Even this offseason we got screwed twice- the rockets did the poison pill deal for Lin and even raised it later (very unusual for teams to do that), and Toronto overpaid Fields to block our attempts to get Nash AND so we couldn't match and re-sign Fields. Even back when Vince wanted a trade to the Knicks, the Raptors traded him to the Nets for a worse package. Also when we were aiming to trade for Rasheed, the Celtics stepped in to thwart it. Then here was Kahn when we were trying to get a PG in that draft.

Do we have a lot of enemies or is it something else?

League did recend the Chris Paul Trade last year.

Lakers in this case took Bynum and developed him for 6-7 years. In NY he would have had a nervouse break down or likley Isiah would have traded him at discount.

They did trade Marc Gasol who they took with a low draft pick. That was the center piece for Pau. Lakers had the cap room to take Pau.

IN both instances they had the abilty to make the trade. Remember Pau was a max player who was not really playing up to that contract. Knicks if they take a max contract need to have a starphuch type roster addition and have a virtual parade to celebrate the new born savior. Knicks would have taken Pau and we'd go nuts on him for his "Soft" label, euro attitude, and the deep seeded feelings that go toward some players who lack pigment in their skin.

Knicks are an impatient organization.

Lets not forget a really big factor. Knicks have had 5 General managers in time Kupchek has been on board. I know silly Nalod like to harp on organizational things from time to time and boring things are not the starphuchedness some of our favorite posters love to digest but one man who has a good relationship with his primary owner (Jerry Buss) and mutual respect for each other and each comfortable in their own skin can do remarkable things.

Via Wikipedia:

(Kupchak) Transition to NBA managementKupchak showed remarkable forethought in planning for his "life after" being an NBA player—pursuing a focused program to learn the trade of running NBA team operations. While still under his initial player contract, he worked with the "front office", developing strong working relationships with Laker management, beginning to "apprentice" with Jerry West, and starting studies that led to his MBA from the UCLA Anderson School of Management in 1987.

He retired from plaing in 1986 to become assistant general manager under Jerry West. Kupchak took over as general manager but was not considered to have the traditional power of a GM until 2000 when West left his post as vice president of basketball operations for the challenge of the Memphis Grizzlies. His first major transaction was the acquisition of former superstars Karl Malone and Gary Payton. After a number of controversial trade transactions over the years, including the trade of Shaquille O'Neal to the Miami Heat for Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, and Brian Grant, as well as the decision not to trade Andrew Bynum for Jason Kidd, Kupchak faced severe criticism from Lakers star Kobe Bryant, although he still had the support of Buss. However, after his February 2008 deal to obtain Pau Gasol from the Memphis Grizzlies for Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, and draft picks (one of which was the right to Marc Gasol), Bryant conceded, "He goes from an F to an A-plus."[1] In 2007, Kupchak traded Brian Cook and Maurice Evans for Trevor Ariza, and in 2009, he signed Ron Artest (now Metta World Peace) as a free agent. These decisions helped the Lakers win back to back NBA Championships in 2009 and 2010. In July 2012, Kupchak brought point guard Steve Nash into Laker uniform for a package of future draft picks and cash considerations.[2] In 2012, Mitch masterminded another trade that brought All-Star center Dwight Howard to the Laker organization in a package deal that included Andrew Bynum.[3]

Nobody is perfect and Mitch is not without his bad deals. But at the end of the day his tenure has been pretty good remaking the franchise 3 times around Kobe to remain in contention. Via draft, coaches, free agents and trades the guy gets it done.

His rings are earned.

Thats why the Lakers succeed where the Knicks don't.

mrKnickShot wrote:If we gave up what the lakers gave up for Steve Nash, many of the posters on this board who are praising the Lakers would have gone nuts.

Everyone would have freaked out if we gave up shump, and PHX did not even want him. They felt that the Lakers gave them much more, and they did.

Its not important what we think. We don't decide anything.

Nash is even more briliant with Dwight on board.

Dwight loves playing defense and rebounding. Bynum wanted to be "the man". The whole thing with Nash and Dwight makes Pau and even better player.

Nash to the knicks would be in a role that would have been similar to the type of style Lin would have played.

Maybe posters freak because we like Shump and are damaged about getting older players here for good youth.

Lakers win so when they do a starphuch its well received. They do Starphuch really really well and gets them rings!
Only Payton-Karl starphuch blew up on them.

WE suck at it.

They were not afraid even after years of losing to the Celtics in the finals. The Great Lakers of Wilt and west was deemed a failur as they lost in the finals frequently to the Celtics and the Knicks twice. They won in 1972! Then to Go big on trade for Kareem in 1975 and retool took a vision and confidence.

Dolan panics. The result was mid year hiring of Isiah and the idiotic Marbury trade.

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toodarkmark wrote:Since Kareem is being mentioned, I had read a few times that he wanted very badly to be traded to the Knicks, but they couldn't work it out.

Reminds me of Kobe Bryant's agent telling the media that Kobe would only play for two teams when he was about to be drafted, the Lakers or the Knicks.

The Lakers can finish, draft, trade and get the coaches needed to win championships. The Knicks have gotten close, but they simply can not.

Funny old story, the N*ts had his ABA rights and he wanted NY and the League wanted him! ABA was going to pool its money and pay him. With no real Arena to play in in 1969 and the league shakey they could not get a deal and He signed with Milwaukee.

Kareem suffered from bad migranes and depression issues very badly in his first few years. That he grew to be happy in LA and enjoyed the game over time is a great story. I'd say it worked out pretty good for him being an aging player in "Showtime!"

Would have been great to have him as a Knick!