Nalod wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea but dolan overpaid for Amare and then was forced to overpay for Melo who is better than Amare. No different than any other deals the past 11yrs. Knicks never get the clear upperhand in trades or signings. Dolans philosophy is to always overpay whether with moneybor young player and draft picks. Except when it came to jeremy lin and you had grunwald hiding in a closet in hopes that it would buybtime fir Dolans head to cool. Unfortunately his head doesnt cool he just looks for vengeance regardless of the consequences and what fans think. I wonder if I will live to see the day Dolan makes a trade where he doesnt get hosed. I have a lot more respect for teams like LA, San Antonio, Boston & Miami

I'm glad we did not overpay for Lin. Chris Paul wants to sign here.

we'll wait, give paul a 30 year old no minuscus guard a max deal. Pauls past all star achievments vs a young guards future.

Dolan is a p*ssy who can only extropolate the past into the future but fails to see the pattern.

Maybe Lin is not an allstar. But to not get anyvalue for him in return?

Nalod wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Dudes are going at it again about MDA, the trade and the boston series sweep.

I think the forums are dominated by about 5 "haters" and 5 "apologists" with a few ass*holes like me waffling about.

If Lin does well on a bad team I expect it to continue. Lin will likely make the allstar team if the popular Chinease vote stuffs the box.

Thus, "Lin is an allstar"!

If Steve Nash stays up all night and smokes weed and is pictued with stone eye slits he might start a trend called "Linning"! Like "Tebowing" or the controversial "Planking" but it will take tweeting by storm and cause an outrage.

Then if Rockets make the playoffs for some reason Marbles statue comes down and Lins goes up in his place. China will have to occupy Taiwan so they can lay right to Lin. Its complicated, Lins parents are nationally from Taiwan but ethnically Chinease.

Waiting in the wings is Gallo's breakout season. Just when we thought it was safe to bash him. Shy Wilson has been hidden so we can't go there either.

Other topics: Darko's rise to power and AR's obscurity.

In 12 months, we can do it all again when MDA takes a new job coaching the Nets.

It will be perfect cuz obviously the nets will have underperformed under the defensive minded Avery Johnson and the notion of MDA taking over will have MDA haters almost in a oblivious state of euphoria because MDA can't even spell the word "Defense"! Phil Weber will look great in Brooklyn and maybe he can study "goodfellas" and get him a '1968 Gran Prix with a clean trunk to tool around in.

All we got to do is win a championship and we can all be saved from the day of judgement.

This is how the hate spreads. People come on here and spread things like this hoping that we will forget how good our team is and will be if they can stay healthy this coming season. Haters will be disappointed. Amar'e, learn all the moves from Hakeem Olajuwon and be sure to learn the Dream Shake so we can shut some people up. Chandler, keep doing a great job and being one of the best Centers in the NBA. Camby, thanks for coming back with great defense. You will be the 10 rebs, shot blocker that fits perfectly backing up Chandler. Thanks for coming Back Felton and we know that you are going shut some people up. Brewer, thanks for coming here and bringing great defense for cheap. J.R. you did it as well. We know you made sacrifice to come back to NY and want to be here like the others. Melo, 37 points in 14 mins? You will bring it Melo. Copeland is a poor man's Melo. Shump! We're glad you stayed and get well soon. Prigioni, you may be older but you dish like a young player. Kidd and the rest, welcome. Oh wait..how can I forget Novacane. He's lethal. We will win it all!

ITs not hate my man. Its being sarcastic toward the the hate that will come in any event. We succeed there will be hate, lose there is hate.

Take a bite of sarcasim and understand what it tastes like.

Im making fun of the hate fool!

The only hate I bring down is on Dolan.

Ok but by continuing to bring up the old reasons why people hate the Knicks, it's just so old, boring, annoying, repetitive and will only manifests into more hate. Give it up and move on. It's getting so old.

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Its all about hype and getting fans in the seats when it comes to Dolan. I will credit walsh for finally tearing the team down and starting over. In an attempt to bring in Lebron. A difference maker. Otherwise Dolan would still be overpaying forbanderson, eisely, spoon, marbury, mo taylor, tim thomas. Curry. Crawford. Francis. Amare and Melo

Oh and Jerome James

Lets talk about how Layden almost wiped the slate clean with expiring and keeping draft picks (closest thing to a rebuild moment) and then mid year (who hires a new gm mid year unless its a starphuch) Isiah comes in with Dolans checkbook and proceeds to build around Marbury spending money and draft picks like they were stolen!

That should keep it going the rest of the summer!

Same conversation.

Every body loves to pile on Layden (but Nedyal)cuz thats the easyone!

After the Dice trade we could have rebuilt! The impatient petty little man could not communicate with his public.

Never hear the little dude speak. All he had to do was tell the fans we are "rebuilding and let the contracts expire, draft players and develope and then sign free agents to fill in". Layden was an introvert geek and the wrong man to have.

So he hires the starphuch fluff in Isiah and the rest is history.

Since then its once clusterphuch of insanity. Even when we have good teams we have the wrong coach! Or is it the right coach with the wrong team?

Please don't tell me you're comparing bad with worse again.

Layden set the table way before Isiah could put his stench on our once proud franchise.

Some of Layden's Highlights:

In June 1999, the Knicks made a spectacular run to the NBA Finals behind Marcus Camby, Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell. San Antonio put an end to the title hopes, but Knicks fans were excited about the future.

Since then ...

September 2000

* Patrick Ewing is traded to Seattle for Luc Longley, Vernon Maxwell and Glen Rice. Fans discover the Knicks were better with their aging but still vital presence in the middle.

August 2001

* Three-team deal sends Rice to the Rockets. Knicks get Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson, two players with hefty long-term contracts who have contributed little since.

Fall 2001

* Larry Johnson is forced to retire because of persistent back problems. Longley, who never contributed, follows suit.

December 2001

* Coach Jeff Van Gundy abruptly quits (above), even though the Knicks were winning at the time. Was it burnout, or did he see the future?

summer 2002

* Layden re-signs Houston to a six-year, $100 million contract, bloating the Knicks' salary cap and luxury tax woes.

June 26, 2002

* The beginning of the end for the Layden era. He pulls a draft night trade, acquiring Antonio McDyess for Camby, Mark Jackson and the draft rights to emerging Brazilian star Nene Hilario. He also gets Frank Williams. But McDyess is lost for the season in an exhibition game and Williams plays in just 21 games.

Spring 2003

* Coach Don Chaney's contract is extended through 2006, the second time management extended his contract since he replaced Van Gundy.

June 2003

* Fans chant ``Fire Layden'' at the NBA draft, but he appears to get two prospects, Georgetown's Michael Sweetney and Polish youngster Maciej Lampe. He later signs Dikembe Mutombo to a two-year free agent deal, effectively meaning both draft picks will sit.

That's mismanagement at it's highest level. Gold standard type stuff. You hate Dolan, you hate Isiah, we get it(for the millionth time). But if you're going to place blame, make it universal, don't excuse Layden's era. He set the tone for the downward spiral, and I doubt Dolan's hand could've been involved every single lousy move listed here.

Nalod wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea but dolan overpaid for Amare and then was forced to overpay for Melo who is better than Amare. No different than any other deals the past 11yrs. Knicks never get the clear upperhand in trades or signings. Dolans philosophy is to always overpay whether with moneybor young player and draft picks. Except when it came to jeremy lin and you had grunwald hiding in a closet in hopes that it would buybtime fir Dolans head to cool. Unfortunately his head doesnt cool he just looks for vengeance regardless of the consequences and what fans think. I wonder if I will live to see the day Dolan makes a trade where he doesnt get hosed. I have a lot more respect for teams like LA, San Antonio, Boston & Miami

I'm glad we did not overpay for Lin. Chris Paul wants to sign here.

we'll wait, give paul a 30 year old no minuscus guard a max deal. Pauls past all star achievments vs a young guards future.

Dolan is a p*ssy who can only extropolate the past into the future but fails to see the pattern.

the nyets took on an almost 32year old joe johnson and his $98 mil. contract, gave 31 yr old wallace a $40 mil contract, $65 mil. to a center in Brook Lopez who's fractured his foot twice and what do you have to say about that? That Russian said openly that he's will to go over the cap so what do you have to day about that. He's even said that the nyets will do anything to turn knicks fans into nyets fans. I actually loved the MSG commercial when some guy said you can try to walk and talk like us but you ain't us.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Its all about hype and getting fans in the seats when it comes to Dolan. I will credit walsh for finally tearing the team down and starting over. In an attempt to bring in Lebron. A difference maker. Otherwise Dolan would still be overpaying forbanderson, eisely, spoon, marbury, mo taylor, tim thomas. Curry. Crawford. Francis. Amare and Melo

Oh and Jerome James

Lets talk about how Layden almost wiped the slate clean with expiring and keeping draft picks (closest thing to a rebuild moment) and then mid year (who hires a new gm mid year unless its a starphuch) Isiah comes in with Dolans checkbook and proceeds to build around Marbury spending money and draft picks like they were stolen!

That should keep it going the rest of the summer!

Same conversation.

Every body loves to pile on Layden (but Nedyal)cuz thats the easyone!

After the Dice trade we could have rebuilt! The impatient petty little man could not communicate with his public.

Never hear the little dude speak. All he had to do was tell the fans we are "rebuilding and let the contracts expire, draft players and develope and then sign free agents to fill in". Layden was an introvert geek and the wrong man to have.

So he hires the starphuch fluff in Isiah and the rest is history.

Since then its once clusterphuch of insanity. Even when we have good teams we have the wrong coach! Or is it the right coach with the wrong team?

Please don't tell me you're comparing bad with worse again.

Layden set the table way before Isiah could put his stench on our once proud franchise.

Some of Layden's Highlights:

In June 1999, the Knicks made a spectacular run to the NBA Finals behind Marcus Camby, Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell. San Antonio put an end to the title hopes, but Knicks fans were excited about the future.

Since then ...

September 2000

* Patrick Ewing is traded to Seattle for Luc Longley, Vernon Maxwell and Glen Rice. Fans discover the Knicks were better with their aging but still vital presence in the middle.

August 2001

* Three-team deal sends Rice to the Rockets. Knicks get Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson, two players with hefty long-term contracts who have contributed little since.

Fall 2001

* Larry Johnson is forced to retire because of persistent back problems. Longley, who never contributed, follows suit.

December 2001

* Coach Jeff Van Gundy abruptly quits (above), even though the Knicks were winning at the time. Was it burnout, or did he see the future?

summer 2002

* Layden re-signs Houston to a six-year, $100 million contract, bloating the Knicks' salary cap and luxury tax woes.

June 26, 2002

* The beginning of the end for the Layden era. He pulls a draft night trade, acquiring Antonio McDyess for Camby, Mark Jackson and the draft rights to emerging Brazilian star Nene Hilario. He also gets Frank Williams. But McDyess is lost for the season in an exhibition game and Williams plays in just 21 games.

Spring 2003

* Coach Don Chaney's contract is extended through 2006, the second time management extended his contract since he replaced Van Gundy.

June 2003

* Fans chant ``Fire Layden'' at the NBA draft, but he appears to get two prospects, Georgetown's Michael Sweetney and Polish youngster Maciej Lampe. He later signs Dikembe Mutombo to a two-year free agent deal, effectively meaning both draft picks will sit.

That's mismanagement at it's highest level. Gold standard type stuff. You hate Dolan, you hate Isiah, we get it(for the millionth time). But if you're going to place blame, make it universal, don't excuse Layden's era. He set the tone for the downward spiral, and I doubt Dolan's hand could've been involved every single lousy move listed here.

+100000000

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Its all about hype and getting fans in the seats when it comes to Dolan. I will credit walsh for finally tearing the team down and starting over. In an attempt to bring in Lebron. A difference maker. Otherwise Dolan would still be overpaying forbanderson, eisely, spoon, marbury, mo taylor, tim thomas. Curry. Crawford. Francis. Amare and Melo

Oh and Jerome James

Lets talk about how Layden almost wiped the slate clean with expiring and keeping draft picks (closest thing to a rebuild moment) and then mid year (who hires a new gm mid year unless its a starphuch) Isiah comes in with Dolans checkbook and proceeds to build around Marbury spending money and draft picks like they were stolen!

That should keep it going the rest of the summer!

Same conversation.

Every body loves to pile on Layden (but Nedyal)cuz thats the easyone!

After the Dice trade we could have rebuilt! The impatient petty little man could not communicate with his public.

Never hear the little dude speak. All he had to do was tell the fans we are "rebuilding and let the contracts expire, draft players and develope and then sign free agents to fill in". Layden was an introvert geek and the wrong man to have.

So he hires the starphuch fluff in Isiah and the rest is history.

Since then its once clusterphuch of insanity. Even when we have good teams we have the wrong coach! Or is it the right coach with the wrong team?

Please don't tell me you're comparing bad with worse again.

Layden set the table way before Isiah could put his stench on our once proud franchise.

Some of Layden's Highlights:

In June 1999, the Knicks made a spectacular run to the NBA Finals behind Marcus Camby, Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell. San Antonio put an end to the title hopes, but Knicks fans were excited about the future.

Since then ...

September 2000

* Patrick Ewing is traded to Seattle for Luc Longley, Vernon Maxwell and Glen Rice. Fans discover the Knicks were better with their aging but still vital presence in the middle.

August 2001

* Three-team deal sends Rice to the Rockets. Knicks get Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson, two players with hefty long-term contracts who have contributed little since.

Fall 2001

* Larry Johnson is forced to retire because of persistent back problems. Longley, who never contributed, follows suit.

December 2001

* Coach Jeff Van Gundy abruptly quits (above), even though the Knicks were winning at the time. Was it burnout, or did he see the future?

summer 2002

* Layden re-signs Houston to a six-year, $100 million contract, bloating the Knicks' salary cap and luxury tax woes.

June 26, 2002

* The beginning of the end for the Layden era. He pulls a draft night trade, acquiring Antonio McDyess for Camby, Mark Jackson and the draft rights to emerging Brazilian star Nene Hilario. He also gets Frank Williams. But McDyess is lost for the season in an exhibition game and Williams plays in just 21 games.

Spring 2003

* Coach Don Chaney's contract is extended through 2006, the second time management extended his contract since he replaced Van Gundy.

June 2003

* Fans chant ``Fire Layden'' at the NBA draft, but he appears to get two prospects, Georgetown's Michael Sweetney and Polish youngster Maciej Lampe. He later signs Dikembe Mutombo to a two-year free agent deal, effectively meaning both draft picks will sit.

That's mismanagement at it's highest level. Gold standard type stuff. You hate Dolan, you hate Isiah, we get it(for the millionth time). But if you're going to place blame, make it universal, don't excuse Layden's era. He set the tone for the downward spiral, and I doubt Dolan's hand could've been involved every single lousy move listed here.

Damn, you took my bait hook line and sinker..............

infinitilov100 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea but dolan overpaid for Amare and then was forced to overpay for Melo who is better than Amare. No different than any other deals the past 11yrs. Knicks never get the clear upperhand in trades or signings. Dolans philosophy is to always overpay whether with moneybor young player and draft picks. Except when it came to jeremy lin and you had grunwald hiding in a closet in hopes that it would buybtime fir Dolans head to cool. Unfortunately his head doesnt cool he just looks for vengeance regardless of the consequences and what fans think. I wonder if I will live to see the day Dolan makes a trade where he doesnt get hosed. I have a lot more respect for teams like LA, San Antonio, Boston & Miami

I'm glad we did not overpay for Lin. Chris Paul wants to sign here.

we'll wait, give paul a 30 year old no minuscus guard a max deal. Pauls past all star achievments vs a young guards future.

Dolan is a p*ssy who can only extropolate the past into the future but fails to see the pattern.

the nyets took on an almost 32year old joe johnson and his $98 mil. contract, gave 31 yr old wallace a $40 mil contract, $65 mil. to a center in Brook Lopez who's fractured his foot twice and what do you have to say about that? That Russian said openly that he's will to go over the cap so what do you have to day about that. He's even said that the nyets will do anything to turn knicks fans into nyets fans. I actually loved the MSG commercial when some guy said you can try to walk and talk like us but you ain't us.

I say we watch the games. Nobody said anything about the nets? YOu keep bring it up and adding Age to Joe Johnson. He just turned 31. We gave 30 year Tyson more money. We gave 100mil to Amare without insurance (has been injured). The russian said he'd go over the cap. At least he speaks.

What do I have to say about that? Just did.

Besides, who keeps bringing up the Nets? Thats your defense? Is your benchmark of success we are better than the Nets? Why you so worried about the nets??