knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.

NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.

George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.

Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.

Dolan with Red Auerbach would still get an F.

Not true at all. A good GM will manage both the owner and resources appropriately. Just gave you examples to prove it....same owners with different management, yielded drastically different results.

Dolan doesn't work that way. He gives a new GM power for a year or so. Then he gets excited about big name players and starts making bad decisions that the GM and everyone else disagree with.

Your answer is conjecture or an assumption. You do not know this to be true, perhaps he has not found the correct management to fit the team's and his needs.

I generally place blame where it is due, not based on emotion. Dolan has mostly failed so far with the Knicks.....not because of coaching decisions or players, but because of the management teams of basketball people he has put in place to run the team for him.

To put every coaching change on Dolan is folly. His GMs have been mainly responsible for that.....with a few exceptions such as Isiah who Dolan put in as coach after numerous Isiah bad choices.

In regards to player decisions.......the biggest failure was not getting Lebron........

Lebron was not coming to the Knicks no matter how good or bad the presentation was. If the presentations mattered, then by all counts, Lebron would have went to Brooklyn. The Lebron road show was a joke....it was always Miami based on his kinship with Wade and Bosh. Most of the blame for not getting Lebron and the ensuing Amare overpay contract is on Walsh. Donnie cleared all that cap space, in some ways through making bad trades, for the purpose of getting Lebron. He did not read the tea leaves correctly.....and in his haste, over-paid for Amare to lure Lebron....and failed.

Getting Melo, was also fallout for not getting Lebron. Donnie may or may not have wanted Melo. But he stayed after acquiring Melo. In fact, Donnie stayed on payroll after Dolan put him out to pasture....and when the contract expired, then went to Indiana. What does that say?

MDA might not have gotten along with Melo, but he quit on the team mid-year. What does that say about him?

IMO.....people are ready to make Donnie out to be a saint, and MDA as some type of Matyr since they hate Dolan so much. While Walsh and MDA were much better than Isiah and most of his choices, They were still not the correct tandem to bring a winning structure to the Knicks.

So far, Grunald and Woodson seem to be a mgmt team that will make Dolan look like a better owner....time will tell.

+Trillion

You guys have spent a lot of time criticizing others without exposing your views. What grade did you give Dolan and why?

Dolan as an owner is a failure, F.

In regards to management, like Foosballnick eloquently broke down, it's up to the management team and day to day operations personnel, scouts, trainers, etc to make the product look good. Has Dolan meddled in the past, perhaps. I truly don't think any of the recent Grunwald moves have any of Dolan's fingerprints on it. When he is hands off, his product can be damn good; IE see the NY Rangers. With Glenn Grunwald and Mike Woodson in place, they appear to strike that balance with Dolan's company line but also make sound basketball decisions.

Dolan was all over the lin decision..and I don't think they make sound decisions..there emotional and personal

You don't think the CBA, luxury tax and repeater tax, and restrictions to team building once over the cap have anything to do with it?

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.

NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.

George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.

Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.

Dolan with Red Auerbach would still get an F.

Not true at all. A good GM will manage both the owner and resources appropriately. Just gave you examples to prove it....same owners with different management, yielded drastically different results.

Dolan doesn't work that way. He gives a new GM power for a year or so. Then he gets excited about big name players and starts making bad decisions that the GM and everyone else disagree with.

Your answer is conjecture or an assumption. You do not know this to be true, perhaps he has not found the correct management to fit the team's and his needs.

I generally place blame where it is due, not based on emotion. Dolan has mostly failed so far with the Knicks.....not because of coaching decisions or players, but because of the management teams of basketball people he has put in place to run the team for him.

To put every coaching change on Dolan is folly. His GMs have been mainly responsible for that.....with a few exceptions such as Isiah who Dolan put in as coach after numerous Isiah bad choices.

In regards to player decisions.......the biggest failure was not getting Lebron........

Lebron was not coming to the Knicks no matter how good or bad the presentation was. If the presentations mattered, then by all counts, Lebron would have went to Brooklyn. The Lebron road show was a joke....it was always Miami based on his kinship with Wade and Bosh. Most of the blame for not getting Lebron and the ensuing Amare overpay contract is on Walsh. Donnie cleared all that cap space, in some ways through making bad trades, for the purpose of getting Lebron. He did not read the tea leaves correctly.....and in his haste, over-paid for Amare to lure Lebron....and failed.

Getting Melo, was also fallout for not getting Lebron. Donnie may or may not have wanted Melo. But he stayed after acquiring Melo. In fact, Donnie stayed on payroll after Dolan put him out to pasture....and when the contract expired, then went to Indiana. What does that say?

MDA might not have gotten along with Melo, but he quit on the team mid-year. What does that say about him?

IMO.....people are ready to make Donnie out to be a saint, and MDA as some type of Matyr since they hate Dolan so much. While Walsh and MDA were much better than Isiah and most of his choices, They were still not the correct tandem to bring a winning structure to the Knicks.

So far, Grunald and Woodson seem to be a mgmt team that will make Dolan look like a better owner....time will tell.

+Trillion

You guys have spent a lot of time criticizing others without exposing your views. What grade did you give Dolan and why?

Dolan as an owner is a failure, F.

In regards to management, like Foosballnick eloquently broke down, it's up to the management team and day to day operations personnel, scouts, trainers, etc to make the product look good. Has Dolan meddled in the past, perhaps. I truly don't think any of the recent Grunwald moves have any of Dolan's fingerprints on it. When he is hands off, his product can be damn good; IE see the NY Rangers. With Glenn Grunwald and Mike Woodson in place, they appear to strike that balance with Dolan's company line but also make sound basketball decisions.

Dolan was all over the lin decision..and I don't think they make sound decisions..there emotional and personal

You don't think the CBA, luxury tax and repeater tax, and restrictions to team building once over the cap have anything to do with it?

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.

NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.

George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.

Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.

Dolan with Red Auerbach would still get an F.

Not true at all. A good GM will manage both the owner and resources appropriately. Just gave you examples to prove it....same owners with different management, yielded drastically different results.

Dolan doesn't work that way. He gives a new GM power for a year or so. Then he gets excited about big name players and starts making bad decisions that the GM and everyone else disagree with.

Your answer is conjecture or an assumption. You do not know this to be true, perhaps he has not found the correct management to fit the team's and his needs.

I generally place blame where it is due, not based on emotion. Dolan has mostly failed so far with the Knicks.....not because of coaching decisions or players, but because of the management teams of basketball people he has put in place to run the team for him.

To put every coaching change on Dolan is folly. His GMs have been mainly responsible for that.....with a few exceptions such as Isiah who Dolan put in as coach after numerous Isiah bad choices.

In regards to player decisions.......the biggest failure was not getting Lebron........

Lebron was not coming to the Knicks no matter how good or bad the presentation was. If the presentations mattered, then by all counts, Lebron would have went to Brooklyn. The Lebron road show was a joke....it was always Miami based on his kinship with Wade and Bosh. Most of the blame for not getting Lebron and the ensuing Amare overpay contract is on Walsh. Donnie cleared all that cap space, in some ways through making bad trades, for the purpose of getting Lebron. He did not read the tea leaves correctly.....and in his haste, over-paid for Amare to lure Lebron....and failed.

Getting Melo, was also fallout for not getting Lebron. Donnie may or may not have wanted Melo. But he stayed after acquiring Melo. In fact, Donnie stayed on payroll after Dolan put him out to pasture....and when the contract expired, then went to Indiana. What does that say?

MDA might not have gotten along with Melo, but he quit on the team mid-year. What does that say about him?

IMO.....people are ready to make Donnie out to be a saint, and MDA as some type of Matyr since they hate Dolan so much. While Walsh and MDA were much better than Isiah and most of his choices, They were still not the correct tandem to bring a winning structure to the Knicks.

So far, Grunald and Woodson seem to be a mgmt team that will make Dolan look like a better owner....time will tell.

+Trillion

You guys have spent a lot of time criticizing others without exposing your views. What grade did you give Dolan and why?

Dolan as an owner is a failure, F.

In regards to management, like Foosballnick eloquently broke down, it's up to the management team and day to day operations personnel, scouts, trainers, etc to make the product look good. Has Dolan meddled in the past, perhaps. I truly don't think any of the recent Grunwald moves have any of Dolan's fingerprints on it. When he is hands off, his product can be damn good; IE see the NY Rangers. With Glenn Grunwald and Mike Woodson in place, they appear to strike that balance with Dolan's company line but also make sound basketball decisions.

Dolan was all over the lin decision..and I don't think they make sound decisions..there emotional and personal

You don't think the CBA, luxury tax and repeater tax, and restrictions to team building once over the cap have anything to do with it?

Nope, Dolan doesn't care about spending huge sums of money if it gets him something/someone he actually wants. It's kind of silly to make projections about our team's payroll 3 years from now anyway since Dolan does a complete roster turnover every 2 seasons.

We shall see. The current core of players are all under contract for the next 3-4 years, so we'll see where they end up soon enough.

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.

NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.

George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.

Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.

Dolan with Red Auerbach would still get an F.

Not true at all. A good GM will manage both the owner and resources appropriately. Just gave you examples to prove it....same owners with different management, yielded drastically different results.

Dolan doesn't work that way. He gives a new GM power for a year or so. Then he gets excited about big name players and starts making bad decisions that the GM and everyone else disagree with.

Your answer is conjecture or an assumption. You do not know this to be true, perhaps he has not found the correct management to fit the team's and his needs.

I generally place blame where it is due, not based on emotion. Dolan has mostly failed so far with the Knicks.....not because of coaching decisions or players, but because of the management teams of basketball people he has put in place to run the team for him.

To put every coaching change on Dolan is folly. His GMs have been mainly responsible for that.....with a few exceptions such as Isiah who Dolan put in as coach after numerous Isiah bad choices.

In regards to player decisions.......the biggest failure was not getting Lebron........

Lebron was not coming to the Knicks no matter how good or bad the presentation was. If the presentations mattered, then by all counts, Lebron would have went to Brooklyn. The Lebron road show was a joke....it was always Miami based on his kinship with Wade and Bosh. Most of the blame for not getting Lebron and the ensuing Amare overpay contract is on Walsh. Donnie cleared all that cap space, in some ways through making bad trades, for the purpose of getting Lebron. He did not read the tea leaves correctly.....and in his haste, over-paid for Amare to lure Lebron....and failed.

Getting Melo, was also fallout for not getting Lebron. Donnie may or may not have wanted Melo. But he stayed after acquiring Melo. In fact, Donnie stayed on payroll after Dolan put him out to pasture....and when the contract expired, then went to Indiana. What does that say?

MDA might not have gotten along with Melo, but he quit on the team mid-year. What does that say about him?

IMO.....people are ready to make Donnie out to be a saint, and MDA as some type of Matyr since they hate Dolan so much. While Walsh and MDA were much better than Isiah and most of his choices, They were still not the correct tandem to bring a winning structure to the Knicks.

So far, Grunald and Woodson seem to be a mgmt team that will make Dolan look like a better owner....time will tell.

+Trillion

You guys have spent a lot of time criticizing others without exposing your views. What grade did you give Dolan and why?

Dolan as an owner is a failure, F.

In regards to management, like Foosballnick eloquently broke down, it's up to the management team and day to day operations personnel, scouts, trainers, etc to make the product look good. Has Dolan meddled in the past, perhaps. I truly don't think any of the recent Grunwald moves have any of Dolan's fingerprints on it. When he is hands off, his product can be damn good; IE see the NY Rangers. With Glenn Grunwald and Mike Woodson in place, they appear to strike that balance with Dolan's company line but also make sound basketball decisions.

Dolan was all over the lin decision..and I don't think they make sound decisions..there emotional and personal

You don't think the CBA, luxury tax and repeater tax, and restrictions to team building once over the cap have anything to do with it?

Nope, Dolan doesn't care about spending huge sums of money if it gets him something/someone he actually wants. It's kind of silly to make projections about our team's payroll 3 years from now anyway since Dolan does a complete roster turnover every 2 seasons.

We shall see. The current core of players are all under contract for the next 3-4 years, so we'll see where they end up soon enough.

What would give you the indication that this team will even be the same nxt year..these short term contracts are easy to swap..I have no faith that we will be the same except for a hand full of players

The core of Amare, Melo, Chandler should still be here. Some minor changes here and there will happen.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.

NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.

George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.

Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.

Dolan with Red Auerbach would still get an F.

Not true at all. A good GM will manage both the owner and resources appropriately. Just gave you examples to prove it....same owners with different management, yielded drastically different results.

Dolan doesn't work that way. He gives a new GM power for a year or so. Then he gets excited about big name players and starts making bad decisions that the GM and everyone else disagree with.

Your answer is conjecture or an assumption. You do not know this to be true, perhaps he has not found the correct management to fit the team's and his needs.

I generally place blame where it is due, not based on emotion. Dolan has mostly failed so far with the Knicks.....not because of coaching decisions or players, but because of the management teams of basketball people he has put in place to run the team for him.

To put every coaching change on Dolan is folly. His GMs have been mainly responsible for that.....with a few exceptions such as Isiah who Dolan put in as coach after numerous Isiah bad choices.

In regards to player decisions.......the biggest failure was not getting Lebron........

Lebron was not coming to the Knicks no matter how good or bad the presentation was. If the presentations mattered, then by all counts, Lebron would have went to Brooklyn. The Lebron road show was a joke....it was always Miami based on his kinship with Wade and Bosh. Most of the blame for not getting Lebron and the ensuing Amare overpay contract is on Walsh. Donnie cleared all that cap space, in some ways through making bad trades, for the purpose of getting Lebron. He did not read the tea leaves correctly.....and in his haste, over-paid for Amare to lure Lebron....and failed.

Getting Melo, was also fallout for not getting Lebron. Donnie may or may not have wanted Melo. But he stayed after acquiring Melo. In fact, Donnie stayed on payroll after Dolan put him out to pasture....and when the contract expired, then went to Indiana. What does that say?

MDA might not have gotten along with Melo, but he quit on the team mid-year. What does that say about him?

IMO.....people are ready to make Donnie out to be a saint, and MDA as some type of Matyr since they hate Dolan so much. While Walsh and MDA were much better than Isiah and most of his choices, They were still not the correct tandem to bring a winning structure to the Knicks.

So far, Grunald and Woodson seem to be a mgmt team that will make Dolan look like a better owner....time will tell.

+Trillion

You guys have spent a lot of time criticizing others without exposing your views. What grade did you give Dolan and why?

Dolan as an owner is a failure, F.

In regards to management, like Foosballnick eloquently broke down, it's up to the management team and day to day operations personnel, scouts, trainers, etc to make the product look good. Has Dolan meddled in the past, perhaps. I truly don't think any of the recent Grunwald moves have any of Dolan's fingerprints on it. When he is hands off, his product can be damn good; IE see the NY Rangers. With Glenn Grunwald and Mike Woodson in place, they appear to strike that balance with Dolan's company line but also make sound basketball decisions.

Pretty much.

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.

NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.

George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.

Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.

So in the history of sports you've found 2 examples of where an owner looked bad for an 11 year stretch and then turned it around. I am not impressed.

Nice try. Took me about thirty seconds to come up with them. Here's another....."James Dolan" as owner of the Rangers....went from a D to a B grade in the past decade. Pretty easy to play the pessimist on a sports forum since athletes & teams generally fail more then succeed ....so you will always have so called data to draw upon to prove any negative point you want to make. Data always looks nice in a vacuum, perhaps you might consider to apply things like situational context, sample size, and outside factors.......instead of basically coming to a conclusion based only on Macro Level negative data.

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.

NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.

George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.

Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.

So in the history of sports you've found 2 examples of where an owner looked bad for an 11 year stretch and then turned it around. I am not impressed.

Nice try. Took me about thirty seconds to come up with them. Here's another....."James Dolan" as owner of the Rangers....went from a D to a B grade in the past decade. Pretty easy to play the pessimist on a sports forum since athletes & teams generally fail more then succeed ....so you will always have so called data to draw upon to prove any negative point you want to make. Data always looks nice in a vacuum, perhaps you might consider to apply things like situational context, sample size, and outside factors.......instead of basically coming to a conclusion based only on Macro Level negative data.

Rangers did better when the Starphuching ended. Its kind of the new NHL way anyway. Dolan does well when he has good people making decisions. When he meddles, the teams suffers longer term.

Bonn1997 wrote:Rangers had a 7 year bad stretch. So that's not the same as our 11 years. I could generously say that is almost your 3rd example in the history of sports though.

It's often common for a forum poster to resort to snide comments or sarcasm when beaten in a debated topic.

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.

NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.

George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.

Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.

So in the history of sports you've found 2 examples of where an owner looked bad for an 11 year stretch and then turned it around. I am not impressed.

Nice try. Took me about thirty seconds to come up with them. Here's another....."James Dolan" as owner of the Rangers....went from a D to a B grade in the past decade. Pretty easy to play the pessimist on a sports forum since athletes & teams generally fail more then succeed ....so you will always have so called data to draw upon to prove any negative point you want to make. Data always looks nice in a vacuum, perhaps you might consider to apply things like situational context, sample size, and outside factors.......instead of basically coming to a conclusion based only on Macro Level negative data.

I very much enjoy your esoteric and eloquent posts Foosballnick, but in the end I don't see Lil' Jimmy Dolan at Ranger's pre-season games giving pounds to the players. He ruined that team over the past 12 years, and finally was hands off enough to end the "must pay big talent" thing and let the GM handle the matters. Oh, and let's not forget when he guaranteed a Stanley Cup appearance in January and angered all the Rangers fans and the coach. The Rangers have succeeded in spite of Dolan and because he does not care enough about Hockey.

But he cares about basketball and the Knicks. But more so, about what it does for him and his image. His insecure, spoiled, and almost childlike deference to his Id reminds me of so many other children of very successful people placed into powerful positions by their Fathers. He needs to be seen as the leader of this group, the head cheese. It fulfills that emptiness that Daddy, women, alcohol, and music never could. He needs to be at pre-seasons games, yucking it up with Amar'e and Melo. Kiss my ring boys, I AM the one paying you.

Standing in the tunnel "Tell me more Isiah, tell me how taking on Anferenee Hardaway's 15 mil a year contract and giving up a 04 and 10 draft pick was a steal for us. Ignore the chants Isiah, they're not real people like you and me. Successful people."

Donnie Walsh gave this team flexibility and a chance to get the best player in the world, and he was shown the door. All Lebron had to do was watch Dolan stutter his way through a prepared speech about playing for the Knicks and knew he was going anywhere but here. Now we have two poorly mismatched superstars, a starting backcourt of Ronnie Brewer and Raymond Felton, and the oldest bench in the NBA ever. The Knick fan in me will root for them. The pragmatist in me will sit there and only wonder why the Knicks had to be stricken with such a joke of a human being, and even after David Stern FORCED him to change his own management, he is still left pulling the strings.

In the end we have a spoiled child of a man in control of our team, and in control of the GM's, and in control of what happens. Team decisions are on his whim because in the end it is not the Knicks we are rooting for, but an extension of James Dolan. That is how he perceives it and as long as that is the case, he gets an F in my book.

Same owner.

knickscity wrote:Wonder why the Rangers hasn't looked like the Knicks?

Same owner.

New York Rangers won in 1994. Ever since Jimmy Dolan took over after 1999, the Rangers looked EXACTLY like the Knicks. Better question would be Wonder why the Rangers hasn't looked like the Devils?