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Jeremy Lin Never Went Back to the Rockets to Ask for More Money
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7/25/2012  2:46 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:You guys going to continue to make Lin thread and I will continue to say LOCK THIS STUPID SHIT UP. GROW SOME BALLS, GO HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN, do what you have to do bet get over it.

Relax and don't read these threads.

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7/25/2012  2:47 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:You guys going to continue to make Lin thread and I will continue to say LOCK THIS STUPID SHIT UP. GROW SOME BALLS, GO HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN, do what you have to do bet get over it.

Can we get some bold italics too? You seem to be the emotional one.

this coming from the great "negative" one. Yes, I am emotionally drained by these damn Lin threads. Sticky the ****. Any other time where there are related threads people call for them to be stickied. Its the same bull**** rehashed over and over. He renegotiated, he didn't, the Knicks never wanted him, they did. There is NO CONSENSUS TO BE REACHED. No one knows but Lin and Dolan.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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7/25/2012  2:59 PM
this article illuminates what everyone already knows... Its Dolan's crew, and if your not one of his stooges your number will come up soon. Then lies will be spread to ensure MSG looks like they did the right thing.
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7/25/2012  3:01 PM
I thought you were a Nets fan now.
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7/25/2012  3:03 PM
GustavBahler wrote:I thought you were a Nets fan now.

That was soooo yesterday

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7/25/2012  3:05 PM
Rookie wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I thought you were a Nets fan now.

That was soooo yesterday

So were the days when we spent most of our time discussing current Knicks players, not whiny overpaid beyotches who aren't on the roster anymore.

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7/25/2012  3:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/25/2012  3:08 PM
haha, this is nothing compared to the Melo trade....perhaps we could go back to the days where we had nothing to talk about except what D league scrub we should invite on a 10 day... or Marbury's buyout
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7/25/2012  3:11 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I thought you were a Nets fan now.

That was soooo yesterday

So were the days when we spent most of our time discussing current Knicks players, not whiny overpaid beyotches who aren't on the roster anymore.

Melo is still on the roster.
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7/25/2012  3:16 PM
Rookie wrote:haha, this is nothing compared to the Melo trade....perhaps we could go back to the days where we had nothing to talk about except what D league scrub we should invite on a 10 day... or Marbury's buyout

If there was one thread after another, day after day, about the same d-league scrub I would agree with you. I hope the Knicks grind Lin into lunchmeat.

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7/25/2012  3:18 PM
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I thought you were a Nets fan now.

That was soooo yesterday

So were the days when we spent most of our time discussing current Knicks players, not whiny overpaid beyotches who aren't on the roster anymore.

Melo is still on the roster.

Yes he is. Lin isn't

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7/25/2012  3:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/25/2012  3:20 PM
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BasketballJones wrote:I didn't see another thread with exactly this subject, so I don't think it should be locked. It might have been mentioned in passing in some other topic.

However, if there is another thread where this was discussed extensively, then it's helpful to post a link to the prior thread. That will help posters who want to discuss that topic go to the right place. Also, this will help the mods identify duplicate threads and lock them (their choice to do so or or not, of course.)

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=42663

NY Post article.

The main point for the article of this current thread is that Lin says himself that he did not go back and negotiate money, which is a main point of contention. I was hoping to be able to debate this point with some who differ from this opinion. The main point of the article in the link that you posted has to do with how the concept of Linsanity affected Jeremy Lin.

What happened here? This used to be a place of civil discourse. Because I wish to rigorously debate a noted point of difference I am shouted down and the moderators are asked to "lock this stupid **** up"? True knick fans are allowed to discuss all facets of this team, even points that are not of popular opinion and points that are not agreed upon by all. I must say that if I am expected to just shut up and agree with the popular majority on here, then some of you are in for a surprise.

Or perhaps some of you do not wish to discuss this point because you know that it damages an ideal. An ideal that the Knicks management and Dolan can do no wrong. Perhaps if Jeremy Lin was a backstabbing greedy low life, then it is perfectly reasonable that Dolan not match his offer. The only problem with that is now it seems as though Jeremy Lin was not even the one negotiating the contract. Perhaps he had his agent do the negotiations. Could it be that the agent was under orders to get the most money on the contract, because well, that is what Knick management told Jeremy. That is how the CBA is written isnt it? The player has to go out and get the best offer and then the current team matches?

If that is true, then can we also say that the agents maneuvering showed up Dolan and Dolan, in his need to heal his damaged ego, painted a negative picture of Jeremy Lin. A picture he knew only gullible Knick fans would eat up with a spoon? No that cant be right? It is much easier to believe that Jeremy Lin, the same Jeremy Lin who went out of his way to turn the spotlight away from himself and thank his teammates during Linsanity, is a greedy player who wanted more money. Much more money than the Knicks, the same team that gave Jerome "5ppg 3rpg" James a max contract, can ever pay. Yes, that sounds much more palatable doesnt it? Yes, keep eating off of that spoon.

While you do that, there are some of us Knick fans that will continue to point out Dolans mistakes and shout from the rooftops. Perhaps someway, somehow, some day it will result in JD's straight shot out of town and hopefully result in another cablevision executive taking control. Patrick, Thomas are you listening?

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7/25/2012  3:24 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I thought you were a Nets fan now.

That was soooo yesterday

So were the days when we spent most of our time discussing current Knicks players, not whiny overpaid beyotches who aren't on the roster anymore.

Melo is still on the roster.

Yes he is. Lin isn't

I think he's trying to insinuate Melo is a whiny overpaid beyotch!

How dare he insult Melobury like that! Melo cannot hold a fleshlight to the greatness that is Amare.

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7/25/2012  3:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/25/2012  6:16 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I thought you were a Nets fan now.

That was soooo yesterday

So were the days when we spent most of our time discussing current Knicks players, not whiny overpaid beyotches who aren't on the roster anymore.

Melo is still on the roster.

Yes he is. Lin isn't

I think he's trying to insinuate Melo is a whiny overpaid beyotch!

How dare he insult Melobury like that! Melo cannot hold a fleshlight to the greatness that is Amare.

I know, Melo is a Knick so its Knicks related. I can't blame some people for not liking Melo.

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7/25/2012  3:32 PM
subzero0 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:I didn't see another thread with exactly this subject, so I don't think it should be locked. It might have been mentioned in passing in some other topic.

However, if there is another thread where this was discussed extensively, then it's helpful to post a link to the prior thread. That will help posters who want to discuss that topic go to the right place. Also, this will help the mods identify duplicate threads and lock them (their choice to do so or or not, of course.)

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=42663

NY Post article.

The main point for the article of this current thread is that Lin says himself that he did not go back and negotiate money, which is a main point of contention. I was hoping to be able to debate this point with some who differ from this opinion. The main point of the article in the link that you posted has to do with how the concept of Linsanity affected Jeremy Lin.

What happened here? This used to be a place of civil discourse. Because I wish to rigorously debate a noted point of difference I am shouted down and the moderators are asked to "lock this stupid **** up"? True knick fans are allowed to discuss all facets of this team, even points that are not of popular opinion and points that are not agreed upon by all. I must say that if I am expected to just shut up and agree with the popular majority on here, then some of you are in for a surprise.

Or perhaps some of you do not wish to discuss this point because you know that it damages an ideal. An ideal that the Knicks management and Dolan can do no wrong. Perhaps if Jeremy Lin was a backstabbing greedy low life, then it is perfectly reasonable that Dolan not match his offer. The only problem with that is now it seems as though Jeremy Lin was not even the one negotiating the contract. Perhaps he had his agent do the negotiations. Could it be that the agent was under orders to get the most money on the contract, because well, that is what Knick management told Jeremy. That is how the CBA is written isnt it? The player has to go out and get the best offer and then the current team matches?

If that is true, then can we also say that the agents maneuvering showed up Dolan and Dolan, in his need to heal his damaged ego, painted a negative picture of Jeremy Lin. A picture he knew only gullible Knick fans would eat up with a spoon? No that cant be right? It is much easier to believe that Jeremy Lin, the same Jeremy Lin who went out of his way to turn the spotlight away from himself and thank his teammates during Linsanity, is a greedy player who wanted more money. Much more money than the Knicks, the same team that gave Jerome "5ppg 3rpg" James a max contract, can ever pay. Yes, that sounds much more palatable doesnt it? Yes, keep eating off of that spoon.

While you do that, there are some of us Knick fans that will continue to point out Dolans mistakes and shout from the rooftops. Perhaps someway, somehow, some day it will result in JD's straight shot out of town and hopefully result in another cablevision executive taking control. Patrick, Thomas are you listening?

Yesterday's thread and NY post article has the Lin quote:

"I didn't go back to them and ask for more money," Lin told the paper. "It wasn't like they gave me the choice to sign one of the two and I chose the one that would hurt the Knicks. I had one contract offer. That was it."

Why do feel the need to start a brand new thread when you can argue your point in there? Very needless to say the least. Too many Lin threads arguing the same points over and over. How come we don't see a single Landry Fields post? It's simply unnecessary at this point. Polls of Lin, Lin this, Lin that. He's not a Knick anymore, if anything it's been over a week already, it should be Off-Topic now since he doesn't pertain to the Knicks. Like the Gallo and Yoots thing all over again, for a guy that's not even great. So annoying.

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7/25/2012  3:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/25/2012  3:43 PM
Pesident Clinton "I did not have sex with that woman"

The facts are so much less interesting, why would we discuss them?

Fact - Lin received an offer sheet for 4 years 28m on or around 7/4. 4th year as a team option
Fact - He did not sign it
Fact - He received a new offer sheet for 3 years 24m containing a poison pill designed to discourage Knicks from matching
Fact - He did sign it
Fact - Knicks did not match
Fact - Lin is a Houston Rocket

see how boring that is? There are folks who want to believe that Dolan is spinning it and others that want to believe that Lin's team is spinning it to preserve his marketability and image....Lin is probably being honest about not going back to Houston....he probably didn't like the first offer and wanted a guaranteed 4th year. Houston came back with more money in year 3 as an alternative to committing to a 4th year....simple, no conspiracy. Houston used the new CBA to their advantage to sign a player they wanted. Houston also thinks Asik is worth 24m...Chicago didn't agree. They have cap room and probably think that Asian dollars will pay for both players and they are probably right on that

Houston will have to pay these two players 30m in the 3rd year even if it is not applied to their cap that way. They will likely have made 100m off of Lin by then

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7/25/2012  5:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/25/2012  5:26 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:I didn't see another thread with exactly this subject, so I don't think it should be locked. It might have been mentioned in passing in some other topic.

However, if there is another thread where this was discussed extensively, then it's helpful to post a link to the prior thread. That will help posters who want to discuss that topic go to the right place. Also, this will help the mods identify duplicate threads and lock them (their choice to do so or or not, of course.)

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=42663

NY Post article.

Right. That's generally how it's done, except this subject wasn't discussed much there. (Not that there's much to discuss regarding this topic...) But in general, if you see a true duplicate, post a link like you did and point out that "this subject is already being discussed in this other thread". That's more pro-active than just complaining about duplicate threads. Incidentally, I agree that there are generally too many Lin threads, but there's not a whole lot else to talk about (except how evil Melo is) so why not? It stimulates discussion, gets people coming back and looking at those ads, putting money in Martn & Andrews pockets...

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7/25/2012  5:37 PM
The truth doesn't matter. If you count the number of posts in the last 3-4 weeks accusing Lin of being greedy and asking Houston to give him more money you will see he was tried and found guilty in the court of troll opinion lOng ago. The truth changes nothing.
TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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7/25/2012  8:13 PM
Hopefully this helps..... there is no need to belabor the following points.....they should be taken as a given. New threads do not need to be created to prove the following points that a high majority of readers to this board already know to be true.......

99% of the people who read this board think that Dolan was born with a silver spoon, is incompetant as an owner ..... but is willing to spend money on his teams...however he often spends foolishly.

99% of the people who read this board know that Dolan is overly cautious with the media and tries to contol all the messages that people who work for him convey to the media.....we also know that he has a spin machine. It is no different in the Jeremy Lin situation.

The Knicks did not match the Lin offer. That they chose this action shows that they did not want Lin to return.....you can fill in the reason, really doesn't matter.

Lin signed an offer sheet with the Rockets. That he chose this action shows that he was willing to leave the Knicks and playing for the Rockets was acceptable to him.

Jeremy Lin is now a Houston Rocket.

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7/25/2012  8:31 PM
Fact: Jeremy Lin is not a Knicks.
Fact: I don't know why I'm still on this board since I'm still in a lot of shock/pain from all of the awesome Jeremy Lin gear I bought over the past 4 months, including some extra stuff I bought just before we traded for Felton.

Lin took the chance that he might be a Rocket, albeit an unlikely one (based on what his coach was saying). Whatever the sequence of events and the actual truth, the Knicks are a bit of a boring, albeit pretty talented team that should be a top-4 seed in the East.

So it's not the first time a beloved player has moved on to a new team for nothing. A few easy examples: Nash, Steve (to the Suns). Another two: O'Neal, Shaquille (to the Lakers).

“That was two, two from the heart.” - John Starks
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7/25/2012  8:53 PM
loweyecue wrote:The truth doesn't matter. If you count the number of posts in the last 3-4 weeks accusing Lin of being greedy and asking Houston to give him more money you will see he was tried and found guilty in the court of troll opinion lOng ago. The truth changes nothing.

Does the truth matter by Melo? I am smelling a double standard - smells bad

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