Melo had the keys to the car and instead of grabbing them and taking control he let go of the steering wheel and complained his car wasn't fast enough. Worst of all Melo DOGGED it. That is a fact and he himself stated that he did. That is unacceptable. Ths doesn't mean he can't win a title or lead a team, but he has to give max effort every day so that his teammates see that and get inspired like they did in April. Let's not try and pretend that Melo has a history of being that kind of leader. He did for about 2 months at the end of the seaon and in the playoffs but that isn't enough for a top player. He has to do it all year.

nixluva wrote:WTF??? I just wrote an entire post stating that it has nothing to do with Melo's stats or his seasonal hot streak like last April. This is about the little things that a leader does. They come to camp in top shape as guys like Jordan, Kobe and Lebron do every year. They lead by example and by holding their teammates accountable. Jordan, Kobe and Lebron are constantly seen chewing out their teammates for sloppy play or mistakes and tho no player is perfect they give that max effort 99% of the time. Leaders do the little things that show they understand TIme and Score and that they need to make sure that their teammates, whom they need in order to win, also get off and get going. Leaders know when to hold back and when to pour it on to help their team win.

Melo had the keys to the car and instead of grabbing them and taking control he let go of the steering wheel and complained his car wasn't fast enough. Worst of all Melo DOGGED it. That is a fact and he himself stated that he did. That is unacceptable. Ths doesn't mean he can't win a title or lead a team, but he has to give max effort every day so that his teammates see that and get inspired like they did in April. Let's not try and pretend that Melo has a history of being that kind of leader. He did for about 2 months at the end of the seaon and in the playoffs but that isn't enough for a top player. He has to do it all year.

What does what Jordan, Kobe and Lebron do have to do with Melo. People lead in different ways. Magic had 5 and led with joy and an enjoyment of the game. Kareem was a silent leader. Bird the same. In fact, before Kobe won without Shaq him screaming on his teammates was looked at as a negative. How about Duncan's or Hakeem's style of leadership? Jordan was known as a selfish scorer before he won his first title with Pippen and PJax. You need a team and right coach to win these things.

Kobe just learned to make his teammates better and is still deemed selfish at times. There isn't one formula to being a leader or to winning a championship. Add to that most of these players figure it out in their late 20s besides Magic.

Wade's championship with the Heat he took a majority of shots and didn't pass that much at all cause his team was limited offensively. How about Iverson takign the sixers to Finals. If he would have won, how was his leadership (mister no practice).

Also please show me the quote where he said he dogged it? I need to see this. Because it's repeated continuously like it's the Bible.

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:WTF??? I just wrote an entire post stating that it has nothing to do with Melo's stats or his seasonal hot streak like last April. This is about the little things that a leader does. They come to camp in top shape as guys like Jordan, Kobe and Lebron do every year. They lead by example and by holding their teammates accountable. Jordan, Kobe and Lebron are constantly seen chewing out their teammates for sloppy play or mistakes and tho no player is perfect they give that max effort 99% of the time. Leaders do the little things that show they understand TIme and Score and that they need to make sure that their teammates, whom they need in order to win, also get off and get going. Leaders know when to hold back and when to pour it on to help their team win.

Melo had the keys to the car and instead of grabbing them and taking control he let go of the steering wheel and complained his car wasn't fast enough. Worst of all Melo DOGGED it. That is a fact and he himself stated that he did. That is unacceptable. Ths doesn't mean he can't win a title or lead a team, but he has to give max effort every day so that his teammates see that and get inspired like they did in April. Let's not try and pretend that Melo has a history of being that kind of leader. He did for about 2 months at the end of the seaon and in the playoffs but that isn't enough for a top player. He has to do it all year.

What does what Jordan, Kobe and Lebron do have to do with Melo. People lead in different ways. Magic had 5 and led with joy and an enjoyment of the game. Kareem was a silent leader. Bird the same. In fact, before Kobe won without Shaq him screaming on his teammates was looked at as a negative. How about Duncan's or Hakeem's style of leadership? Jordan was known as a selfish scorer before he won his first title with Pippen and PJax. You need a team and right coach to win these things.

Kobe just learned to make his teammates better and is still deemed selfish at times. There isn't one formula to being a leader or to winning a championship. Add to that most of these players figure it out in their late 20s besides Magic.

Wade's championship with the Heat he took a majority of shots and didn't pass that much at all cause his team was limited offensively. How about Iverson takign the sixers to Finals. If he would have won, how was his leadership (mister no practice).

Also please show me the quote where he said he dogged it? I need to see this. Because it's repeated continuously like it's the Bible.

How many posts do I have to make before you actually read what I posted?

1. Come to camp in Elite Shape and ready to go. Setting an example for others.
2. Give MAX EFFORT all the time, so that he leads by example and gives his voice more weight in the locker room.
3. As the lead player take advantage of the fact that you have the most touches and make sure to help your teammates get off and get going.
4. Keep learning the game and getting a better feel for when to take over and when to let your teammates get going. It's something all great players have to learn, but you have to want to know how to win and judge Time and Score and feel when your teammates don't have it going.

Nothing i've posted is something impossible for Melo to do. You don't need any special ability in order to give a damn. This is all we have been saying since day one.

ChuckBuck wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:And can we stop with this Melo quit on D'Antoni nonsense.

he said he didnt give max effort. Go look it up.

The reason Melo gets so much criticism is because he brought it on himself. He cost a kings ransom to be here. He's paid like a king, but aside from a nice what... 6 week stretch under Woody (who immediatly after the season called him out of shape) he hasnt done much else but make a lot of noise.

Im SOOOOOO glad that

Its not Melo's fault Lin left
Its not Melo's fault MDA didnt work here
Melo is just as good as Wade or Kobe, just needs a better supporting cast

bla bla bla

For ten years I have listened to the excuses as to why we arent as bad as our record says. 1 playoff win a decade plus is the bottom line.

Melo will get his due when he earns it.

Show me the quote where he said he didn't give max effort. He never said such things.

Don't you know? Melo's the cause for:

-Dinosaurs extinction
-Holocaust
-Global Warming
-Hurricane Katrina
-Dane Cook and Justin Bieber
-Skinny Jeans
-Dial 666-6666 commercial
-Menudo breaking up
-Anderson Cooper coming out of the closet
-Nut Cancer
-Jesus Crucifixion

Wow.. you really put a lot of thought into that. Good job

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:After the third game with Woodson as coach, he said

I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/melo-basically-admits-hes-trying-harder-for-woodson/

So that equates to him saying he was dogging it? Do you guys ever think that maybe the coach demanded it from him and it's more of a coaches philosophy. Same as D'antoni not believing in heavy practices or shoot arounds before the game? Maybe he was talking about a team culture change. We honestly dont' know what he meant by that. The point is to take that quote and equate it to him saying he was Dogging it is ridiculous and erroneous.

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:After the third game with Woodson as coach, he said

I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/melo-basically-admits-hes-trying-harder-for-woodson/

So that equates to him saying he was dogging it? Do you guys ever think that maybe the coach demanded it from him and it's more of a coaches philosophy. Same as D'antoni not believing in heavy practices or shoot arounds before the game? Maybe he was talking about a team culture change. We honestly don't' know what he meant by that. The point is to take that quote and equate it to him saying he was Dogging it is ridiculous and erroneous.

He needs to coach to demand that he have energy? Does he also need the coach to remind him to brush his teeth every day?

Equate it to a trainer pushing you over what YOU believe is your threshold of effort. What is a coaches job if not to make you better. We are acting like Melo was the only one on team who once Woodson took over played harder on defense. It was a complete team culture change.

Playoffs last year and beginning of season Melo played extremely hard on defense but if the coaches philosophy or strategy on defense stinks in can be frustrating when you don't' see tangible results ie. losing. It's human nature.

Lebron vs. Dallas 2 years ago to start series but once he saw his effort wasn't gonna change the outcome of their team losing in the championship his effort level decreased and he looked terrible. This isn't rocket science.

When Riley took over for Heat and Alonzo Mourning says I've never play'd this hard or practiced this hard in my basketball life does that equate to him saying he was dogging it for the previous regimes? You guys are funny smh

nixluva wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:After the third game with Woodson as coach, he said

I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/melo-basically-admits-hes-trying-harder-for-woodson/

So that equates to him saying he was dogging it? Do you guys ever think that maybe the coach demanded it from him and it's more of a coaches philosophy. Same as D'antoni not believing in heavy practices or shoot arounds before the game? Maybe he was talking about a team culture change. We honestly dont' know what he meant by that. The point is to take that quote and equate it to him saying he was Dogging it is ridiculous and erroneous.

Here's the thing. Melo played harder the very day that MDA resigned and it had NOTHING to do with any special coaching Woody did. This was Melo realizing that he had to step up or he'd be blamed for MDA leaving if the team didn't start winning. Melo is not stupid. He knows how that would play out. He had flat out STUNK for most of the year. Go and look at his stats up until that point. From then on he stepped up his effort level. He didn't start shooting better immediately but his effort was demonstrably better, then at the end of March he started getting hot and it carried over thru the rest of the season.

It wasn't just Melo's quote but his actual visually noticeable effort increased the day MDA resigned. That is highly suspect and when you add his statement it just puts the final nail in the coffin.

Could it be he got healthier and in better shape as season went along. Melo actually had a great start to season til he hurt his hand and groin. You dont' remember this? You dont' recall his injuries that led to his poor play?

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:After the third game with Woodson as coach, he said

I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/melo-basically-admits-hes-trying-harder-for-woodson/

So that equates to him saying he was dogging it? Do you guys ever think that maybe the coach demanded it from him and it's more of a coaches philosophy. Same as D'antoni not believing in heavy practices or shoot arounds before the game? Maybe he was talking about a team culture change. We honestly dont' know what he meant by that. The point is to take that quote and equate it to him saying he was Dogging it is ridiculous and erroneous.

Here's the thing. Melo played harder the very day that MDA resigned and it had NOTHING to do with any special coaching Woody did. This was Melo realizing that he had to step up or he'd be blamed for MDA leaving if the team didn't start winning. Melo is not stupid. He knows how that would play out. He had flat out STUNK for most of the year. Go and look at his stats up until that point. From then on he stepped up his effort level. He didn't start shooting better immediately but his effort was demonstrably better, then at the end of March he started getting hot and it carried over thru the rest of the season.

It wasn't just Melo's quote but his actual visually noticeable effort increased the day MDA resigned. That is highly suspect and when you add his statement it just puts the final nail in the coffin.

Could it be he got healthier and in better shape as season went along. Melo actually had a great start to season til he hurt his hand and groin. You dont' remember this? You dont' recall his injuries that led to his poor play?

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Great job Foe. I was about to respond to Fish and Nix's post until I scrolled down and saw that you pretty much said everything I was going to say and then some. That quote was taken completely out of context. There is no way your going to tell me that Melo was dogging it first half of the year when he was playing out of position (point forward) for the sake of the team. He also put up the following numbers to start the year:

37 & 8
27, 7 & 5
23, 7 & 5
35, 11 & 4
32, 6, & 5
37, 7 & 4
22, 4 & 6
27, 5 & 3

Then he was injured in the Memphis game and his shooting % went in the crapper for a while. He dealt with a wrist, thumb, and groin injury but for some reason nobody wants to bring that up....

Uptown wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:After the third game with Woodson as coach, he said

I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/melo-basically-admits-hes-trying-harder-for-woodson/

So that equates to him saying he was dogging it? Do you guys ever think that maybe the coach demanded it from him and it's more of a coaches philosophy. Same as D'antoni not believing in heavy practices or shoot arounds before the game? Maybe he was talking about a team culture change. We honestly dont' know what he meant by that. The point is to take that quote and equate it to him saying he was Dogging it is ridiculous and erroneous.

Here's the thing. Melo played harder the very day that MDA resigned and it had NOTHING to do with any special coaching Woody did. This was Melo realizing that he had to step up or he'd be blamed for MDA leaving if the team didn't start winning. Melo is not stupid. He knows how that would play out. He had flat out STUNK for most of the year. Go and look at his stats up until that point. From then on he stepped up his effort level. He didn't start shooting better immediately but his effort was demonstrably better, then at the end of March he started getting hot and it carried over thru the rest of the season.

It wasn't just Melo's quote but his actual visually noticeable effort increased the day MDA resigned. That is highly suspect and when you add his statement it just puts the final nail in the coffin.

Could it be he got healthier and in better shape as season went along. Melo actually had a great start to season til he hurt his hand and groin. You dont' remember this? You dont' recall his injuries that led to his poor play?

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Great job Foe. I was about to respond to Fish and Nix's post until I scrolled down and saw that you pretty much said everything I was going to say and then some. That quote was taken completely out of context. There is no way your going to tell me that Melo was dogging it first half of the year when he was playing out of position (point forward) for the sake of the team. He also put up the following numbers to start the year:

37 & 8
27, 7 & 5
23, 7 & 5
35, 11 & 4
32, 6, & 5
37, 7 & 4
22, 4 & 6
27, 5 & 3

Then he was injured in the Memphis game and his shooting % went in the crapper for a while. He dealt with a wrist, thumb, and groin injury but for some reason nobody wants to bring that up....

No problem. It's like people start believing things just cause they repeat it and repeat it over and over again.

CashMoney wrote:

Uptown wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:After the third game with Woodson as coach, he said

I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/melo-basically-admits-hes-trying-harder-for-woodson/

So that equates to him saying he was dogging it? Do you guys ever think that maybe the coach demanded it from him and it's more of a coaches philosophy. Same as D'antoni not believing in heavy practices or shoot arounds before the game? Maybe he was talking about a team culture change. We honestly dont' know what he meant by that. The point is to take that quote and equate it to him saying he was Dogging it is ridiculous and erroneous.

Here's the thing. Melo played harder the very day that MDA resigned and it had NOTHING to do with any special coaching Woody did. This was Melo realizing that he had to step up or he'd be blamed for MDA leaving if the team didn't start winning. Melo is not stupid. He knows how that would play out. He had flat out STUNK for most of the year. Go and look at his stats up until that point. From then on he stepped up his effort level. He didn't start shooting better immediately but his effort was demonstrably better, then at the end of March he started getting hot and it carried over thru the rest of the season.

It wasn't just Melo's quote but his actual visually noticeable effort increased the day MDA resigned. That is highly suspect and when you add his statement it just puts the final nail in the coffin.

Could it be he got healthier and in better shape as season went along. Melo actually had a great start to season til he hurt his hand and groin. You dont' remember this? You dont' recall his injuries that led to his poor play?

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Great job Foe. I was about to respond to Fish and Nix's post until I scrolled down and saw that you pretty much said everything I was going to say and then some. That quote was taken completely out of context. There is no way your going to tell me that Melo was dogging it first half of the year when he was playing out of position (point forward) for the sake of the team. He also put up the following numbers to start the year:

37 & 8
27, 7 & 5
23, 7 & 5
35, 11 & 4
32, 6, & 5
37, 7 & 4
22, 4 & 6
27, 5 & 3

Then he was injured in the Memphis game and his shooting % went in the crapper for a while. He dealt with a wrist, thumb, and groin injury but for some reason nobody wants to bring that up....

He got imjured because he was fat and out of shape

LOL yeah his wrist was out of shape...needs to squeeze more tennis balls in the offseason..pause.

Uptown wrote:

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Pretty much. The whole team was different after Woody took over because he made defense the top priority and held everyone accountable...

Kind of how Gallo and Chandler started playing poorly when they knew they were getting traded for Melo at some point. Its distracting. If you dont think these things factor in to a players performance your ignorant.

Anytime a star player and coach feud the team all plays poorly. Its a dark cloud.

Can someone tell me how Denver made the playoffs last year? I mean they traded a Kobe/Wade caliber superstar for role players, and yet didnt see a dropoff in the wins. In fact they won double their usual playoff total when Melo was there.

Melo doesnt exactly make himself lovable. The guys who ride his jock make it worse.